Genesis 6 Giants

[ephesians4:2]

Genesis 6:1-4
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I have my own interpretation on the meaning of these verses. What is everyone else's take on this and the verses found throughout the OT describing the Israelites and David fighting the tribes of giants/Nephilim?

Here are some verses to look up in case you are not familiar with the subject:
Deut 1:28, 2:10-11, 2:20-23, 3:11, 9:2-3
Joshua 11:21-22, 14:12-15, 15:13-14
2 Sam 21:15-22
1 Chron 20:4-8
Numbers 13:28,32-33

 

[Marantha]

THIS should be an interesting thread considering the amount of disagreement on this in scholarly circles.

Unity in Christ
Marantha

 

[Bethwhite]

It happened exactly as Genesis 6 indicates.

Fallen angels had kids with women.

The same thing appears to be happening again - and will be revealed as part of the delusion.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Genesis 6:1-4

I have my own interpretation on the meaning of these verses. What is everyone else's take on this and the verses found throughout the OT describing the Israelites and David fighting the tribes of giants/Nephilim?

fallen angels, having relations with human women. nephilim genetic material was passed into the human bloodlines. nephilim hybrids cannot be saved.

 

[Douggg]

Genesis 6:1-4
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I have my own interpretation on the meaning of these verses. What is everyone else's take on this and the verses found throughout the OT describing the Israelites and David fighting the tribes of giants/Nephilim?

Here are some verses to look up in case you are not familiar with the subject:
Deut 1:28, 2:10-11, 2:20-23, 3:11, 9:2-3
Joshua 11:21-22, 14:12-15, 15:13-14
2 Sam 21:15-22
1 Chron 20:4-8
Numbers 13:28,32-33

Yet for their incredible size and numbers, there is nothing in the bible about man fighting dinosaurs. Which what has that got to do with the topic of this thread? My view is the human giant offspring in the bible around the time of the flood was not a first time event. I think that there was a prior world to this one, which there likewise was some interference by the rebel angels to make God's prior world one of violence - which God destroyed all life in that world, and started over in Genesis.

Doug

 

[Tellastory]

The "sons of God" was a reference for Israel's family tree in the Bible.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Jesus reproves any notion that God would join angels, let alone fallen angels in a marriage.

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

One of the most often overlooked point in scripture is the fact that these sons of God were taking these women as wives unto them.

The sons of God would have to be of the godly line of Seth if God in His words were to join these women to be called wives to them in the Bible.

Genesis 6:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

The Lord was striving with man, not fallen angels, and the result was that He had lessened their days to 120 years.

Remember the genealogy of how long these saints leading up to Noah had lived? This was God punishing the godly line of Seth that married outside of that lineage, otherwise, they would have lived as long as Noah.

The reason God flooded the earth was because of this reason along and not because of some diabolical plot to pollute the bloodline to prevent Christ from being born.

Genesis 6:5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Again, it was sinful man having wicked imaginations from his youth that grieved and provoked our God.

Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. 22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

That's two accounts for the real reason God had flooded the earth.

If you consider how Israel was not to marry outside of the nation of Israel, then you can see why the sober lesson for the cause of the flood was to be taken to heart.

The word "ben" in Hebrews means builder of the family line from which "sons" was translated from.

Believers in Jesus Christ are now called sons of God by the seed of Christ.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

There was necessity to succinctly differentiate from the bloodline because Israel was considered the sons of God formerly as found in the Book of Job when twice at a gathering when Satan was there, Job was picked out from among the sons of God as they were presenting themselves to the Lord.

But getting back to what is relevant to us today:

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

God created kinds to reproduce after their own kind. That includes mankind.

Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

He can make the woman barren or bear children as all the fruit of the womb is from the Lord.

That means fallen angels did not have a chnace in the first place to pollute the bloodline.

What causes giants? Maybe that is the price that is paid when marrying outside the godly line of Seth that resulted in lessening their days to 120 years. Obviously, they were not to be envied as God is no respector of persons.

So that is the talent the Lord would have me share, but only He can enable anyone to receive this as truth.

 

[ebedmelech]

The sons of God are the Godly line of Seth who intermarried with unbelivers.

To say that these were angels violates the fact that each produces after it's own kind. There are no passages clearly saying angels are able to reproduce with humans, therefore I reject anything along those lines.

The Nephilim are just humans tall in stature...and are called "giants", which is bible hyperbole.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

fallen angels, having relations with human women. nephilim genetic material was passed into the human bloodlines. nephilim hybrids cannot be saved.

If this is true, then why would Jesus instruct us to preach the gospel to every creature?

Mark 16:
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[Bethwhite]

Guys, you aren't trusting what God is saying. LOOK:

Genesis 6:1-4
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Angels actually "fell", procreated with human women. Their children were giants that tormented mankind.

Obviously, angels can take on human form:

Hbr 13:2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

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[ebedmelech]

Guys, you aren't trusting what God is saying. LOOK:

Genesis 6:1-4
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Angels actually "fell", procreated with human women. Their children were giants that tormented mankind.

Obviously, angels can take on human form:

Hbr 13:2 Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.

You have nothing that proves angels have the ability to procreate. Nothing in scripture says they can.

 

[Bethwhite]

You have nothing that proves angels have the ability to procreate. Nothing in scripture says they can.

Genesis 6:1-4
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

 

[ebedmelech]

Genesis 6:1-4
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

That won't make you case Beth. The term "sons of God" which is ben 'elohiym is used to apply to both angels and humans as sons of God.

Adam is called a son of God too, so that won't make your case.

You also cannot show one verse of scripture that says angel have sexual organs

 

[Bethwhite]

That won't make you case Beth. The term "sons of God" which is ben 'elohiym is used to apply to both angels and humans as sons of God.

Adam is called a son of God too, so that won't make your case.

You also cannot show one verse of scripture that says angel have sexual organs

Here's one:

Genesis 6:1-4
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.


Now, think, ebedmelech. Who is Jude referring to here? What is Jude talking about:

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

 

[ebedmelech]

Here's one:

Genesis 6:1-4
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.There were giants/Nephilim in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.


Now, think, ebedmelech. Who is Jude referring to here? What is Jude talking about:

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Look at the Genesis 6 account:
Genesis 6:1, 2
Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
2that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

That is the act...and God is displeased with it...so what does He say about it?...

Genesis 6:3:
3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”

If the sons of God are angels, why would God say "my Spirit will not strive with man," if these were angels?

Also your Jude passage doesn't make you point either, because it says these angels left their "first estate" (KJV). The word "estate" means" "beginning origin" ...here the link to that meaning:
Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon

Their "estate" is their original position given them by God. These would be those that rebelled with Satan. They left the position God gave them to rebel against God. They are now reserved for judgment, as Jude says.

You can't make your case with that either because it says nothing of going into women having children.

So...I would ask you to "think", because neither verse makes your case.

 

[deetwang]

The sons of God (B’nai Elohim) is a term that appears throughout the Tanakh (Old Testament). In Genesis and many apocryphal books we read that they “took them wives of all which they chose” from the daughters of men and produced a hybrid offspring known as the Nephilim. This doctrine used to be taught in most seminaries.

“And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel” (Genesis 3:14-15 KJV).

The lexicon clearly defines seed as sperm, offspring, descendants, posterity or children. I think it would be fair to include DNA in our definition of seed. Apparently, Satan and fallen angels have seed.
God made all plants and animals to naturally reproduce after their kind.

Is there anything in the first chapter of Genesis that says that prevents mankind or spiritual beings from tampering with the natural order? Is there anything that prevents mankind or spiritual beings from forcing things to reproduce in such a way that they will not reproduce after their own kind? Absolutely not, there is nothing stated that prevents mankind from tampering with the natural order or tampering with the way things reproduce.

I think that these fallen angels did go in and reproduce with human females, these are the "sons of God" in Genesis 6. The bible says before the flood that "all flesh" had been corrupted. Genesis 6:12 "And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth". ALL FLESH would include animal hybrids as well, which is why every ancient culture depicts both giant men and the Satyr,Sphinx, Minotaur, Mermaid, etc etc. I think that's where the dinosaurs come in. They are serpent like animals that are "weird" and although science says man came after the dinosaurs and did not live on earth at the same time, there are ancient carvings depicting dinosaurs. The carvings were made by men, so they had to have seen them!

Those angels that fell are now being kept in chains till the end: Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Since we know that Satan is not omnipresent, only God is, there are demons who are NOT IN CHAINS that at the time of Jesus and even now are loose around the world. This is the only explanation of why only those certain angels were put in chains...angels would not have perished in the flood.

Because God knew Satan would try to corrupt mans DNA, God put "enmity between your seed and her seed"...by destroying all the people whose blood had been contaminated by this abomination in the flood.
Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." PERFECT in what? His GENERATIONS. Generate. Bloodline. So that God could thwart Satan's plan to corrupt man's DNA...by leaving only Noah and his family, God was able to create the clean bloodline to produce Jesus, who could have no evil DNA, He had to be "perfect".

 

[Bethwhite]

Bingo!

Dinosaurs were created by the fallen angels who taught mankind things they weren't given authority to teach. They are a mixture of birds and reptiles- a hybrid, a "chimera". They were destroyed in the flood.

Today's "elite" seek that knowledge taught by the fallen angels. That's why the Freemasons and Skull & Bones, Alistair Crowley followers, Saul Alinsky-ites worship lucifer, Abaddon/appolyon. They believe they are superior because of the forbidden knowledge they think they've found.

 

[ebedmelech]

The sons of God (B’nai Elohim) is a term that appears throughout the Tanakh (Old Testament). In Genesis and many apocryphal books we read that they “took them wives of all which they chose” from the daughters of men and produced a hybrid offspring known as the Nephilim. This doctrine used to be taught in most seminaries.

“And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel” (Genesis 3:14-15 KJV).

The lexicon clearly defines seed as sperm, offspring, descendants, posterity or children. I think it would be fair to include DNA in our definition of seed. Apparently, Satan and fallen angels have seed.
God made all plants and animals to naturally reproduce after their kind.

Is there anything in the first chapter of Genesis that says that prevents mankind or spiritual beings from tampering with the natural order? Is there anything that prevents mankind or spiritual beings from forcing things to reproduce in such a way that they will not reproduce after their own kind? Absolutely not, there is nothing stated that prevents mankind from tampering with the natural order or tampering with the way things reproduce.

I think that these fallen angels did go in and reproduce with human females, these are the "sons of God" in Genesis 6. The bible says before the flood that "all flesh" had been corrupted. Genesis 6:12 "And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth". ALL FLESH would include animal hybrids as well, which is why every ancient culture depicts both giant men and the Satyr,Sphinx, Minotaur, Mermaid, etc etc. I think that's where the dinosaurs come in. They are serpent like animals that are "weird" and although science says man came after the dinosaurs and did not live on earth at the same time, there are ancient carvings depicting dinosaurs. The carvings were made by men, so they had to have seen them!

Those angels that fell are now being kept in chains till the end: Jude 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." Since we know that Satan is not omnipresent, only God is, there are demons who are NOT IN CHAINS that at the time of Jesus and even now are loose around the world. This is the only explanation of why only those certain angels were put in chains...angels would not have perished in the flood.

Because God knew Satan would try to corrupt mans DNA, God put "enmity between your seed and her seed"...by destroying all the people whose blood had been contaminated by this abomination in the flood.
Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." PERFECT in what? His GENERATIONS. Generate. Bloodline. So that God could thwart Satan's plan to corrupt man's DNA...by leaving only Noah and his family, God was able to create the clean bloodline to produce Jesus, who could have no evil DNA, He had to be "perfect".

No.

That's a lot of "reasoning" but I would hold in that context "seed" is simply "offspring".

If you use the logic your using how do you deal with the scripture saying Jesus was "born of the seed of woman"?

The scripture also says the seed of Abraham was Jesus.

You have all kinds of problems with that reasoning too.

The scripture teaches there are children of God, and children of the devil. So the point of that is those that follow Satan are his children, and those that follow Christ are His children.

It leads to all kinds of crazy thinking and teaching if you take it beyond what scripture says.

What you're saying is what led to the "serpent seed doctrine" also.

It's not true.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Yet for their incredible size and numbers, there is nothing in the bible about man fighting dinosaurs. Which what has that got to do with the topic of this thread? My view is the human giant offspring in the bible around the time of the flood was not a first time event. I think that there was a prior world to this one, which there likewise was some interference by the rebel angels to make God's prior world one of violence - which God destroyed all life in that world, and started over in Genesis.

Doug

Can't be so.
Genesis 1 God created the heavens and the earth; waters; darkness: "let there be light" -and there was light, separated from the darkness. evening and morning =one day.
There were no heavens stretched out from the earth until day 2.

Day 2; firmament stretched out between the divided in two waters/mayim of creation, with half the waters above and half below, and the firmament is then named "heavens/sha-mayim" literally "two waters".

No stretched out heavens of creation until day 2.
six evenings and mornings of darkness and light, for six days and then a "stop/cease day =one literal week of 24 hour days.

No sun nor moon made until day 4, and they were then set in the stretched out heavens to govern the light by day and the light by night.

So no, there was no prior creation in this universe. Time began with the creation of the heavens and the earth [about] 6,000 years ago.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

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