Genesis 6:1-4, Sons of God, Giants in the earth, (Nephilim) are not angles who had relations with daughters of men!

[BPPLEE]

But they are not flesh and blood!

They were fallen angles with “certain supernatural powers” at the time Jesus said those resurrected are equal to the angels: Luke 20:34-36 that they “neither marry, nor are giving in marriage.” Jesus had full knowledge about the abilities angels posses, fallen or not, as He made them according to John 1:3 KJV. An angels’ power lie in the fact that they are spirit. But they are not capable of altering themselves from spirit to flesh. That would go against creation. Angels were created of one type of body. Man was create of another type of body.

Also Satan did not speak through a snake. The serpent that Satan spoke through was not a snake at first. God cursed the serpent to be a snake. This tells us that the serpent had another type of body before he was cursed, and we don’t know what type because the Bible doesn’t say.

It says Angels don’t marry. It doesn’t say they can’t

 

[biblelesson]

It says Angels don’t marry. It doesn’t say they can’t

To say they don’t marry mean they can’t marry because the Master said so, who created all things, John 1:3 KJV

 

[BPPLEE]

To say they don’t marry mean they can’t marry because the Master said so, who created all things, John 1:3 KJV

He didn’t say that

 

[biblelesson]

He didn’t say that

Consider what Jesus mean when He said “equal to”

 

[sawdust]

I basically agree with your post, but want to use this little portion to explain my understanding of sin not being imputed.

The consequences of Adam’s sin caused all men to die a physical death, and all men would have ultimately died an eternal death - the lake of fire.

But because of Christ Jesus, man have been redeemed from this fate, Romans 5:18-19 KJV.

Christ atoned for every man who ever lived: those from the days of Adam when wickedness ran rampant, those who died after the flood, those under the Mosiac law, and those today.

So, the sin that is “not imputed” where there is no law, is the sin that can bring about everlasting damnation. And because Salvation comes only by One who has redeemed man from this terrible fate, Acts 4:12 KJV, all men are saved or condemned through Him, 2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV.

Christ is paramount. He is the preeminent One, 1 Colossians 1:15-18 KJV, therefore those who died before the flood must be saved by Christ. Those who died after the flood, must be saved by Christ. Those who died under the Mosiac law must be saved by Christ. And those today must be saved by Christ. Salvation comes by no other - under the Old Testament and New Testament,

So, Before the new testament became of full force, the old testament had to end, Hebrews 9:17 KJV. Nothing of the old could remain under the new to include all who had died under the Old Testament. When Jesus resurrected the graves of those under the Old Testament graves opened.

There were two groups whose graves opened.

One group were those who died under the law of Moses - they were released from Abraham’s bosom as they kept the law and their sins were covered through the keeping of the requirements of the law. Because salvation comes by One, they waited for Christ to release them from their place of safety in death, Abraham’s Bosom,

The other group were those who were not under any law, before Mosis; those before and after the flood. These people had sinned greatly, and yes suffered for their sinful acts, but not unto everlasting condemnation. The sin that leads to everlasting punishment could not be imputed unto them because there was no law. A law has to be Ordained a law. These before, during, and after the flood before the Mosiac law are those who Jesus preached the gospel to and whose graves also opened when Jesus rose. They were in the same sin state we are in today when we come to Christ, where Christ is over all, the dead and alive, Romans 14:9 KJV, He went and preached salvation to them to bring them under the New Testament, under Him, to be able to raise them from the dead because the Mosiac law under the Old Testament did not apply to them. They were not in hell, and they were not in Abraham’s Bosom. They were in a place where the were held captive. They were the “spirits” in prison, 1 Peter 3:19-20 KJV.

Thank you for sharing your fuller understanding. I can see now why you think I'm wrong in what I say.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The lake of fire has never been the punishment for sin. It is solely for the rejection of God. Spiritual death (the result of sin) is not knowing or having the capacity to know God and therefore is not subject to the lake of fire. You can't reject what you don't know. This is why the Holy Spirit is in the world convincing it of sin, righteousness and judgement. (John 16:8) Truth always comes before judgement. It is not the breaking of the Law that results in condemnation. It is the rejection of God and His word which in turn leads to breaking the Law. You can't assume because the word says one thing, in this case sin is not imputed where there is no Law, that it's opposite is also necessarily true.

 

[sawdust]

To say they don’t marry mean they can’t marry because the Master said so, who created all things, John 1:3 KJV

And what's the reason they can't marry? Most people assume it is because angels do not have the capacity (ie no gender) but the word never overtly states that therefore when they read Sons of God in Genesis 6 they automatically assume it cannot be angels.

If you close your mind in one area of scripture, you will close your mind in other areas.

 

[FredVB]

I am sure nephilim were among the mutations happening since the fall.

 

[biblelesson]

I am sure nephilim were among the mutations happening since the fall.

There are no Nephilims mentioned in the Bible. This is made up. We humans are so quick to believe in fables. We act as though we were never taught to read and use discernment. We allow people with their untruths to twist our minds to see something that is not there till all reason is burned our of us. This is one of the main reasons God is against the human race: idolatry, belief in fables, worshiping status built with our own hands, holding God’s word in abomination, steering the masses down the wrong path, believing man instead of God, and holding themselves of high esteem to the point of insult when confronted.

 

[BPPLEE]

There are no Nephilims mentioned in the Bible. This is made up. We humans are so quick to believe in fables. We act as though we were never taught to read and use discernment. We allow people with their untruths to twist our minds to see something that is not there till all reason is burned our of us. This is one of the main reasons God is against the human race: idolatry, belief in fables, worshiping status built with our own hands, holding God’s word in abomination, steering the masses down the wrong path, believing man instead of God, and holding themselves of high esteem to the point of insult when confronted.

Evidently you haven’t read Genesis 6. Check Blue Letter Bible or Bible Gateway and do a search for Nephilim

Gen 6:4 - The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Evidently you haven’t read Genesis 6. Check Blue Letter Bible or Bible Gateway and do a search for Nephilim

Gen 6:4 There were giantsH5303

H5303
נְפִל נְפִיל
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully
or tyrant: - giant. Total KJV occurrences: 3

Giants is translated from two original Hebrew words:
Rephaim and Nephilim. Nephilim, which means “a feller,”
or one who fells a tree because of his unusual strength.

The term implies a “tough,” or a bully, an individual of
great physical might. The pre-Flood Nephilim were giants
in strength but not in tallness of stature.

The description of the Nephilim of pre-Flood matches with
the large-boned, exceptionally muscled Neanderthals.

Neanderthals and humans interbred and produced offspring that
interbred—and regularly. Promiscuous early humans interbred
'multiple times' in 'world of debauchery'

Promiscuous early humans interbred 'multiple times' in 'world of debauchery'

Researches initially thought interbreeding between Neanderthals and other primitive cousins was rare - but have now discovered they lived in a 'world of debauchery'

www.mirror.co.uk

There were at least three different human forms on Earth,
all having sex with each other.

The Rephaim are mentioned only after the Flood; they
were tall men, like Anakim (Deuteronomy 2:11, 20).

Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants,H7497
as the Anakims;H6062

H7497
רָפָה רָפָא
râphâ' râphâh
raw-faw', raw-faw'
From H7495 in the sense of invigorating; a giant: - giant,
Rapha, Rephaim (-s). See also H1051. Total KJV occurrences: 21

H6062
עֲנָקִי
‛ănâqı̂y
an-aw-kee'
Patronymic from H6061; an Anakite or descendant of Anak:
- Anakim. Total KJV occurrences: 9
-
The Bible talks about a great leader named Tubalcain. He was
the first to work with metal and develop instruments of war
(Genesis 4:22). And in those days violence filled the Earth
(Genesis 6:11, 13).

The Neanderthals were no match for the swords, spears and
arrows of Tubalcain’s armies. Eventually the violence and
degradation became so intense that God decided to destroy
all humans except Noah and 7 others, in a worldwide Flood.

 

[BPPLEE]

Gen 6:4 There were giantsH5303

H5303
נְפִל נְפִיל
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully
or tyrant: - giant. Total KJV occurrences: 3

Giants is translated from two original Hebrew words:
Rephaim and Nephilim. Nephilim, which means “a feller,”
or one who fells a tree because of his unusual strength.

The term implies a “tough,” or a bully, an individual of
great physical might. The pre-Flood Nephilim were giants
in strength but not in tallness of stature.

The description of the Nephilim of pre-Flood matches with
the large-boned, exceptionally muscled Neanderthals.

Neanderthals and humans interbred and produced offspring that
interbred—and regularly. Promiscuous early humans interbred
'multiple times' in 'world of debauchery'

Promiscuous early humans interbred 'multiple times' in 'world of debauchery'

Researches initially thought interbreeding between Neanderthals and other primitive cousins was rare - but have now discovered they lived in a 'world of debauchery'

www.mirror.co.uk

There were at least three different human forms on Earth,
all having sex with each other.

The Rephaim are mentioned only after the Flood; they
were tall men, like Anakim (Deuteronomy 2:11, 20).

Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants,H7497
as the Anakims;H6062

H7497
רָפָה רָפָא
râphâ' râphâh
raw-faw', raw-faw'
From H7495 in the sense of invigorating; a giant: - giant,
Rapha, Rephaim (-s). See also H1051. Total KJV occurrences: 21

H6062
עֲנָקִי
‛ănâqı̂y
an-aw-kee'
Patronymic from H6061; an Anakite or descendant of Anak:
- Anakim. Total KJV occurrences: 9
-
The Bible talks about a great leader named Tubalcain. He was
the first to work with metal and develop instruments of war
(Genesis 4:22). And in those days violence filled the Earth
(Genesis 6:11, 13).

The Neanderthals were no match for the swords, spears and
arrows of Tubalcain’s armies. Eventually the violence and
degradation became so intense that God decided to destroy
all humans except Noah and 7 others, in a worldwide Flood.

Interesting

 

[biblelesson]

Evidently you haven’t read Genesis 6. Check Blue Letter Bible or Bible Gateway and do a search for Nephilim

Gen 6:4 - The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Luke 3:24-38 KJV breaks down Jesus lineage. In this same lineage breakdown, Luke 3:38 specifically identifies Adam’s linage as being the son of God.

Now using all reason that a person can muster, it goes without saying that Adam and the male offsprings born during Adam’s days were the sons of God. But, people want to swallow down deception to the point of ignoring John 3:38 KJV. Even when the argument makes absolutely no sense and none of the verses in the Bible explains Nephilims.

The Blue Letter Bible and/or Gateway Bible both came decades after the original Bible. If this doesn’t cause you to pause, I just don’t know what to say. Why believe these other translations that change the original words of God.

See, we agree with things we don’t understand. I will tell you and hoped it doesn’t blow past you. There is no man in a position of a preach, teacher, Bible scholar that can translate or re-translate the Bible. God chose a King who He ordained to complete this work. The work done to complete the King James Version Has the blessings of a King as God Himself is a King, and a Kings throne in the eyes of God is of honor, which solidifies the words of a King, God. This means the other translations done were not ordained by God, and for these people to take on this task themselves, have done so in dishonor. Also many words and their meanings have been removed from the original Bible, therefore they have done so in error. But blindness have come over the people and we can’t see.

Daughters of men, were called such because the could not be called daughters of God, because God made man, and from man, He made women, therefore they were daughters of men.

When the sons of God (offspring of Adam - men born and populated the earth during Adam’s time), saw the daughters of men (women born of Adam’s offspring - the men populating the earth at that time) - these men and women married.

Men of renowned - Giants, The Bible does not say how many years from Adam to the point of Genesis 6 had passed. These men of renowned were obviously well known powerful men, Giants who possibly had wealth and some governance in the lands. This is what men of renown mean. You can name Giants today. Ford Motor Company, oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller, JP Morgan, etc. Not even Congress have the power these people have. They are Giants in their field, men of renowned.

You see? If all we have to go on are these words, giants, and men of renown, and a severe misunderstanding of sons of God, how can people say these are Nephilims?

 

[biblelesson]

Gen 6:4 There were giantsH5303

H5303
נְפִל נְפִיל
nephı̂yl nephil
nef-eel', nef-eel'
From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully
or tyrant: - giant. Total KJV occurrences: 3

Giants is translated from two original Hebrew words:
Rephaim and Nephilim. Nephilim, which means “a feller,”
or one who fells a tree because of his unusual strength.

The term implies a “tough,” or a bully, an individual of
great physical might. The pre-Flood Nephilim were giants
in strength but not in tallness of stature.

The description of the Nephilim of pre-Flood matches with
the large-boned, exceptionally muscled Neanderthals.

Neanderthals and humans interbred and produced offspring that
interbred—and regularly. Promiscuous early humans interbred
'multiple times' in 'world of debauchery'

Promiscuous early humans interbred 'multiple times' in 'world of debauchery'

Researches initially thought interbreeding between Neanderthals and other primitive cousins was rare - but have now discovered they lived in a 'world of debauchery'

www.mirror.co.uk

There were at least three different human forms on Earth,
all having sex with each other.

The Rephaim are mentioned only after the Flood; they
were tall men, like Anakim (Deuteronomy 2:11, 20).

Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants,H7497
as the Anakims;H6062

H7497
רָפָה רָפָא
râphâ' râphâh
raw-faw', raw-faw'
From H7495 in the sense of invigorating; a giant: - giant,
Rapha, Rephaim (-s). See also H1051. Total KJV occurrences: 21

H6062
עֲנָקִי
‛ănâqı̂y
an-aw-kee'
Patronymic from H6061; an Anakite or descendant of Anak:
- Anakim. Total KJV occurrences: 9
-
The Bible talks about a great leader named Tubalcain. He was
the first to work with metal and develop instruments of war
(Genesis 4:22). And in those days violence filled the Earth
(Genesis 6:11, 13).

The Neanderthals were no match for the swords, spears and
arrows of Tubalcain’s armies. Eventually the violence and
degradation became so intense that God decided to destroy
all humans except Noah and 7 others, in a worldwide Flood.

You are not Greek. We’re not born Greek. We’re not raised Greek. Cannot translate Greek over and above the original translators who were highly proficient, educated in the work. Now you want to come thousands of years later and copy and paste the Greek language from google to translate for us the Bible - how important you must feel.

 

[Semper-Fi]

You are not Greek.

So
The wighters of the Hebrew text in the old testament was not greek also.

 

[biblelesson]

So
The wighters of the Hebrew text in the old testament was not greek also.

Moses, a prophet of God wrote Genesis. Are you holding yourself in a position of a prophet ordained by God?

Was the old testament written in the Hebrew language translated to Greek? I don’t think so. There are questions around the Septuagint and it’s authenticity.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Was the old testament written in the Hebrew language translated to Greek? I don’t think so.

Thats what I pointed out in my last post.

Do you know Hebrew?

 

[biblelesson]

Thats what I pointed out in my last post.

Do you know Hebrew?

The Bible had already been translated to English. Do you read English?

 

[Semper-Fi]

Moses, a prophet of God wrote Genesis.

Yep long long before the kjv was translated.

I like to use e-sword for a more indept studying aid.
I use many translations to compare verses and words.

e-Sword: Free Bible Study for the PC

e-Sword is a feature rich and user friendly free Windows app with everything needed to study the Bible in an enjoyable and enriching manner!

e-sword.net

Most times I will use the KJV version of the bible.
In this case I used e-sword, using the KJV+. See above post.

This lets me see what original word in KJV translate from.
This also helps me see what was added to scriptures.
from the original Hebrew manuscript.

2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)​

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

This was said long before kj translation.

 

[BPPLEE]

Luke 3:24-38 KJV breaks down Jesus lineage. In this same lineage breakdown, Luke 3:38 specifically identifies Adam’s linage as being the son of God.

Now using all reason that a person can muster, it goes without saying that Adam and the male offsprings born during Adam’s days were the sons of God. But, people want to swallow down deception to the point of ignoring John 3:38 KJV. Even when the argument makes absolutely no sense and none of the verses in the Bible explains Nephilims.

The Blue Letter Bible and/or Gateway Bible both came decades after the original Bible. If this doesn’t cause you to pause, I just don’t know what to say. Why believe these other translations that change the original words of God.

See, we agree with things we don’t understand. I will tell you and hoped it doesn’t blow past you. There is no man in a position of a preach, teacher, Bible scholar that can translate or re-translate the Bible. God chose a King who He ordained to complete this work. The work done to complete the King James Version Has the blessings of a King as God Himself is a King, and a Kings throne in the eyes of God is of honor, which solidifies the words of a King, God. This means the other translations done were not ordained by God, and for these people to take on this task themselves, have done so in dishonor. Also many words and their meanings have been removed from the original Bible, therefore they have done so in error. But blindness have come over the people and we can’t see.

Daughters of men, were called such because the could not be called daughters of God, because God made man, and from man, He made women, therefore they were daughters of men.

When the sons of God (offspring of Adam - men born and populated the earth during Adam’s time), saw the daughters of men (women born of Adam’s offspring - the men populating the earth at that time) - these men and women married.

Men of renowned - Giants, The Bible does not say how many years from Adam to the point of Genesis 6 had passed. These men of renowned were obviously well known powerful men, Giants who possibly had wealth and some governance in the lands. This is what men of renown mean. You can name Giants today. Ford Motor Company, oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller, JP Morgan, etc. Not even Congress have the power these people have. They are Giants in their field, men of renowned.

You see? If all we have to go on are these words, giants, and men of renown, and a severe misunderstanding of sons of God, how can people say these are Nephilims?

I’m sorry but are you under the impression that the KJV is the original Bible?
Ordained by God? You do realize that there are copyists errors in the KJV don’t you?
It sounds like you are a KJV only advocate. That’s fine but don’t try to push it on others
I used to be one myself before I thoroughly researched the matter

 

[BPPLEE]

You are not Greek. We’re not born Greek. We’re not raised Greek. Cannot translate Greek over and above the original translators who were highly proficient, educated in the work. Now you want to come thousands of years later and copy and paste the Greek language from google to translate for us the Bible - how important you must feel.

You do realize there were Bibles before the KJV don’t you?