Genesis 1:5 THE FIRST DAY (KJV)

[BNR32FAN]

Is this a reply to something I have written? It's not clear to me what I have written that relates particularly to Isaiah. Anyway, I have just read through the first three chapters of Isaiah. It applies to Judah, including Judah behaving like Sodom, But like most of the Old Testament, it has application to Christians today. For example:

“2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days [That] the mountain of the LORD’S house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it. 3 Many people shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.” (Isa 2:2-3 NKJV)

Amen and God will judge the gentiles by the same standard on Judgement day correct?

 

[CoreyD]

I think you are mixing me up with another poster. I haven't mentioned the Battle of Carchemish, between Egypt and Babylon, or whether you mentioned them, in my posts.

Sorry. You misunderstood.
I wanted to know if you saw something that wasn't there, because someone "reading" my posts is seeing what is not there, and I think it is to distract.
I don't really spend time arguing with people who try hard to avoid something that refutes their claims, so I was asking for a person outside the conversation, as a witness.

It's okay. I won't drag you into this.

Is this a reply to something I have written?

No.

It's not clear to me what I have written that relates particularly to Isaiah.

Nothing.

Anyway, I have just read through the first three chapters of Isaiah. It applies to Judah, including Judah behaving like Sodom,

Thank you. That is all I need to know.

But like most of the Old Testament, it has application to Christians today. For example:

“2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days [That] the mountain of the LORD’S house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it. 3 Many people shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.” (Isa 2:2-3 NKJV)

It does not matter. Thanks.
That does not change the fact that the prophecy initially applies to Judah, and Jerusalem, as is stated in the first verse of all three Chapters.

The poster that agreed with you was denying this.
He said in post #294

You can make the text as big as you want but it still doesn’t change the fact that Isaiah 2 is about Judgement Day NOT the Babylonian conquest of Judea.

So, you did help thanks.
You helped reveal the obvious, which has made it easy for me to make a decision on that conversation, and any potential ones with that poster.

Sorry about the confusion.

P.S.
@David Lamb, I did make a mistake by mentioning Babylon, since it was by the Assyrians that God carried out judgment, but the poster was merely picking at things to distract from what I was saying about judgment day against Judah and Jerusalem, being more than a 24 hour day.
Strawman after strawman, makes a man tired. I got tired.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Sorry. You misunderstood.
I wanted to know if you saw something that wasn't there, because someone "reading" my posts is seeing what is not there, and I think it is to distract.
I don't really spend time arguing with people who try hard to avoid something that refutes their claims, so I was asking for a person outside the conversation, as a witness.

It's okay. I won't drag you into this.


No.


Nothing.


Thank you. That is all I need to know.


It does not matter. Thanks.
That does not change the fact that the prophecy initially applies to Judah, and Jerusalem, as is stated in the first verse of all three Chapters.

The poster that agreed with you was denying this.
He said in post #294


So, you did help thanks.
You helped reveal the obvious, which has made it easy for me to make a decision on that conversation, and any potential ones with that poster.

Sorry about the confusion.

P.S.
@David Lamb, I did make a mistake by mentioning Babylon, since it was by the Assyrians that God carried out judgment, but the poster was merely picking at things to distract from what I was saying about judgment day against Judah and Jerusalem, being more than a 24 hour day.
Strawman after strawman, makes a man tired. I got tired.

Ok can you please tell me when this happened?

“The word which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the Lord Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Did this happen during the Old Testament time? This didn’t happen until after Christ’s ministry and everything that follows verse 2 takes place after verse 2.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is this a reply to something I have written? It's not clear to me what I have written that relates particularly to Isaiah. Anyway, I have just read through the first three chapters of Isaiah. It applies to Judah, including Judah behaving like Sodom, But like most of the Old Testament, it has application to Christians today. For example:

“2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days [That] the mountain of the LORD’S house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it. 3 Many people shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.” (Isa 2:2-3 NKJV)

In the discussion between me and Corey he’s arguing that the Lord’s day of reckoning mentioned in Isaiah 2:17 is not referring to one day but instead the Babylonian conquest of Judea. I’m telling him that the Lord’s day of reckoning is a reference to Judgement Day because verse 2 clearly indicates that the Lord’s day happens after all nations flock to the house of the Lord and God’s judgment given in verses 17-22 indicate that God’s wrath is upon all men who indulge in the wickedness mentioned in those verses, not just Judea. The whole reason for Corey mentioning this passage is to indicate that the Hebrew word Yovm can mean a period of time longer than 24 hours. That’s how this whole argument began and he wanted your opinion on it.

 

[Rxlx]

There are a lot of YEC people who believe "The First Day" is a literal 24 hour day. So in the literal Bible what happened on this first "day"? Usually they God created

בָּרָ֣א bā-rā)

the Earth on the first day. But what does "Earth" mean in this verse? We are told "the earth was without form, and void". We have a ton of questions here and so far we have only defined ONE word, the word DAY. There are a lot of words here that need defined but it is usually agreed that we are talking about the word "earth". So WHAT does this word: "earth" mean in the literal Bible. JUST THE BIBLE. If you want to ONLY use the Bible to define the word DAY then we have to apply the same rule to the word: "Earth". What does JUST the BIBLE say the word "Earth" means? Then we have to go though all the words to look at just what the literal Bible says. You reject science for what a day is so it is only fair that you can not use science to define what the rest of the words in the passage say or mean. GAP people say there was a GAP of time between beginning and "the earth was without form and void". We see this term used also in Jeremiah 4:23 "I looked at the earth, and it was formless and void; and at the heavens, and their light was gone." The Bible defines the Bible so how do we use these terms in Jeremiah to understand what the term "formless and void" means in Genesis one. No cheating. You can not use Science because you have already rejected science when you define day as a 24 hour day. So we can not use science to define any of the other words in the literal passage. In the literal bible what was Jeremiah: "looking" at?

Genesis 1 clearly states GOD created Earth as a ball of water and natural elements.
Get a book called ' A Brief History of Time #2' which has a chapter that explains in simple terms exactly how GOD worked during Creation Week 6,000 years ago.

 

[davetaff]

Genesis 1 clearly states GOD created Earth as a ball of water and natural elements.
Get a book called ' A Brief History of Time #2' which has a chapter that explains in simple terms exactly how GOD worked during Creation Week 6,000 years ago.

Hi yes began the creation of man in his image 6000 years ago it would take 7000 years to complete man in his image would take 6000 years to complete the 7000 year will be Christ's millennial reign and the Fathers sabbath rest

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Apple Sky]

Genesis 1 clearly states GOD created Earth as a ball of water and natural elements.

Where in Genesis 1 does it state this ?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi yes began the creation of man in his image 6000 years ago it would take 7000 years to complete man in his image would take 6000 years to complete the 7000 year will be Christ's millennial reign and the Fathers sabbath rest

Love and Peace
Dave

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭35‬-‭39‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[davetaff]

“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24‬:‭35‬-‭39‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Hi
Not forgetting the 6th day is a thousand years long so Christ can return at any time in that day.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi
Not forgetting the 6th day is a thousand years long so Christ can return at any time in that day.

Love and Peace
Dave

But according to your definition of the word “day” Jesus said we don’t know which “day” or thousand years He will return.

 

[davetaff]

But according to your definition of the word “day” Jesus said we don’t know which “day” or thousand years He will return.

hi BNR32FAN
what we do know is that God created man in his image on the 6th day of creation we have jest entered or about to enter the 6th day so the creation of man in the image of God is not to far away

Love and peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Hi the first day of this creation began when Noah stepped of the ark it would last a 1000 years its purpose to begin the replenishment of the earth it was the beginning of Gods creation of mankind in the image of God which would result in the creation of Israel.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

In the discussion between me and Corey he’s arguing that the Lord’s day of reckoning mentioned in Isaiah 2:17 is not referring to one day but instead the Babylonian conquest of Judea. I’m telling him that the Lord’s day of reckoning is a reference to Judgement Day because verse 2 clearly indicates that the Lord’s day happens after all nations flock to the house of the Lord and God’s judgment given in verses 17-22 indicate that God’s wrath is upon all men who indulge in the wickedness mentioned in those verses, not just Judea. The whole reason for Corey mentioning this passage is to indicate that the Hebrew word Yovm can mean a period of time longer than 24 hours. That’s how this whole argument began and he wanted your opinion on it.

Thanks for the explanation! Much appreciated.

 

[Diamond72]

No matter what light you put in space that shines on one side of the earth it still causes a 24 hour day cycle because the earth rotates one turn every 24 hours regardless of what light source is shining on it. The sun has absolutely nothing to do with that.

The Bible says nothing about a 24 hour day. This was created by the Greek Hipparchus in 120 BCE. The Bible talks about evening and morning. AT the north pole a day is equal to one year. (midnight sun and polar day) On New Years Eve we see that the new year begins at a different time depending on the time zone you are in. So, while time zones provide a general framework, the precise time of sunrise is determined by your specific geographic location and the time of year.

Right now at this moment there is a sunrise and a sunset somewhere in the world. We go by Greenwich time but for me we should go by Jerusalem time. This is not going to work for the New Jerusalem because that will have four time zones as the Arabs descendants of Ishmael do today.

 

[Diamond72]

Hi the first day of this creation began when Noah

Most people believe the first day began with Adam and Eve in Eden. Noah just packed Eden up and put all the plants and animals on a boat to persevere then from the flood.

 

[Diamond72]

I can name an animal in 2 seconds

It takes me more than 2 seconds. But I name an animal something that identify them so people know what animal I am talking about. For example I called one cat swirl because of a swirl pattern on the fur.

 

[davetaff]

Most people believe the first day began with Adam and Eve in Eden. Noah just packed Eden up and put all the plants and animals on a boat to persevere then from the flood.

Hi Diomond7
Thank you for your post yes creation did start with Adam and Eve but everything created before the flood was destroyed in the flood including Adam and Eve so God began a new creation with Noah and everything on the ark the only thing missing was Adam and Eve so God set about rectifying that the first man he created was Israel the man of flesh who must come first so God rejected Israel and began a new creation with Jesus Christ this is the spiritual man its only the spiritual man that can enter heaven.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Diamond72]

everything created before the flood was destroyed in the flood

We can not even find Eden today. I think it is under the Persian Gulf.

 

[davetaff]

We can not even find Eden today. I think it is under the Persian Gulf.

Hi Diomond7
Thank you for your reply but I don't think we are supposed to find it

Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Platte]

The Bible says nothing about a 24 hour day.

Of course it doesn’t say 24 hours it simply refers to an evening and morning. 1 rotation of the earth is what gives us an evening and a morning. Today we know that is approx 24 hours.
Not sure why God would add an evening and a morning in each verse. That’s a very odd thing to say. Maybe it’s not so odd. It debunks anyone who claims it was not a normal day.