Genesis 1:5 THE FIRST DAY (KJV)

[Diamond72]

As I see in the bible, Israel is never called a second Adam.

Israel is descended from the first Adam. The Bible talks about 144,000 that God has kept pure for Himself.

Israel, as a nation, is considered to be descended from the first Adam through the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The reference to the 144,000 is found in the Book of Revelation, specifically in Revelation 7:4-8 and 14:1-5. This passage describes 144,000 individuals from the twelve tribes of Israel who have been sealed and set apart by God.

 

[davetaff]

Israel is descended from the first Adam. The Bible talks about 144,000 that God has kept pure for Himself.

Israel, as a nation, is considered to be descended from the first Adam through the line of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The reference to the 144,000 is found in the Book of Revelation, specifically in Revelation 7:4-8 and 14:1-5. This passage describes 144,000 individuals from the twelve tribes of Israel who have been sealed and set apart by God.

Hi
Quite right Israel is not called Adam but he is called the son of God

Hosea 11:1 ESV
[1] When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

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When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

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Which would make him the older brother of Christ which takes us back to Genesis the older brother kills the younger brother so in Genesis we have the history of mankind from Noah to the return of Christ the 4th day of creation when God creates the sun the moon and stars the sun represents Christ the light of the world the moon represents the church the reflected light of the sun and the stars the children of God.
When Christ cured the blind man he saw men as trees walking the only logical answer is Christ cured his spiritual blindness as well as his physical what Christ is telling us is the creation account is to be applied to time after the flood
Forgot this very important passage

Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:

Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat

This is God depicting the gentiles as animals this also comes from the creation account in Genesis which should be applied to the time after the flood until the return of Christ when he comes in his glory

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Diamond72]

Quite right Israel is not called Adam but he is called the son of God

1. Genesis 22:17-18: "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

These promises laid the foundation for the nation of Israel, which descended from Abraham through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob (who was later named Israel).

 

[davetaff]

1. Genesis 22:17-18: "I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

These promises laid the foundation for the nation of Israel, which descended from Abraham through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob (who was later named Israel).

Hi Diomand72
Thank you for your reply so if Israel is Gods son this would mean he was created in the image of his Father God so if we want to know what God looks like we only need to look at Israel.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Platte]

People think God said and poof it just happens in a instant and the evidence does not support that theory.

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬
When God said let there be light - there was light.
God created everything in the universe and on earth all in 6 days. Everything happened as soon as God said it.
What scripture are you referring to that says otherwise?

 

[David Lamb]

“And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬
When God said let there be light - there was light.
God created everything in the universe and on earth all in 6 days. Everything happened as soon as God said it.
What scripture are you referring to that says otherwise?

I agree. Psalm 33 talks of God speaking and things happening:

“By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap; He lays up the deep in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD; Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.” (Ps 33:6-9 NKJV)

 

[davetaff]

I agree. Psalm 33 talks of God speaking and things happening:

“By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap; He lays up the deep in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD; Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.” (Ps 33:6-9 NKJV)

Hi David
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬

Was this light the light of the world Jesus Christ after all all things were created through him so he has to come first so the Father creates everything through Christ how long did it take I don't know I was not there I like to think of the six days of creation as six stages from the beginning up to the flood.
If the first Adam was created in the same as the last Adam then it means the first Adam was a whole multitude of people it also means that when God said

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

There must have bean a large population of humans on the planet think how God depicted the gentiles to St Peter so when God said

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good

So did everything that creepeth include humans if it did not he could not say everything

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬

Was this light the light of the world Jesus Christ after all all things were created through him so he has to come first so the Father creates everything through Christ how long did it take I don't know I was not there I like to think of the six days of creation as six stages from the beginning up to the flood.
If the first Adam was created in the same as the last Adam then it means the first Adam was a whole multitude of people it also means that when God said

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth

There must have bean a large population of humans on the planet think how God depicted the gentiles to St Peter so when God said

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good

So did everything that creepeth include humans if it did not he could not say everything

Love and Peace
Dave

No I don't think the light mentioned in Genesis 1;3 could be Jesus Christ the light of the world, because He is eternal, equal with God the Father (He said "I and my Father are one"). He was not created, like natural light was.

 

[Diamond72]

What scripture are you referring to that says otherwise?

Wait, I am asking you where you see the word INSTANT in the Bible. Or even the word moment. My Bible does not say in an instant, in a moment of time. For God: past, present and future are all the same. That is because God is eternal and not temporal as you suggest. So even a moment of time for God can stretch out to millions or billions of years for us.

Regarding the words "instant" or "moment," here are a couple of examples:

1. 1 Corinthians 15:52 (NIV): "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." The phrase "in the twinkling of an eye" suggests an instantaneous change.
2. Luke 4:5 (KJV): "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time." This verse uses the term "moment of time."

 

[Platte]

Wait, I am asking you where you see the word INSTANT in the Bible. Or even the word moment. My Bible does not say in an instant, in a moment of time. For God: past, present and future are all the same. That is because God is eternal and not temporal as you suggest. So even a moment of time for God can stretch out to millions or billions of years for us.

Regarding the words "instant" or "moment," here are a couple of examples:

1. 1 Corinthians 15:52 (NIV): "in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed." The phrase "in the twinkling of an eye" suggests an instantaneous change.
2. Luke 4:5 (KJV): "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time." This verse uses the term "moment of time."

SMH - Narrative.

And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.

So Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh - did it become a serpent 30 minutes later? Or did it become one the moment he set the rod down....well the narrative tells us it happened when he set his rod down and not 30 minutes later. Using a word of your choice "Instant" or "Moment" is your arbitrary requirement. The narrative speaks for itself.

And God said let there be light...and there was light. Thats a statement telling you it was immediate.

Now if you have some reason to think the narrative is wrong or incomplete then of course provide the scripture that says the rod didnt turn into a serpent right away. The burden is on you if you are changing the narrative of what the Scripture is saying.

The whole of Creation took God 6 days....that is creating everything in the universe and everything on earth....all in 6 days.

God has made time extremely important for us. He has provided us important information about the past (the Bible) to help us live correctly in the present so that we can have a future with Him. Gods plan is meticulously planned out...only He knows the exact time of Christ's return - when that trumpet will sound. God has made our time here very limited - so much that we need to make the most of every minute we have.

 

[davetaff]

No I don't think the light mentioned in Genesis 1;3 could be Jesus Christ the light of the world, because He is eternal, equal with God the Father (He said "I and my Father are one"). He was not created, like natural light was.

Hi David
Thank you for your post I'm not saying Christ was created I'm saying the Father brought his son to begin the creation everything was created through him and for him.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:15 ESV
[15] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

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Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your post I'm not saying Christ was created I'm saying the Father brought his son to begin the creation everything was created through him and for him.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:15 ESV
[15] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. | English Standard Version Revision 2016 (ESV) | Download The Bible App Now

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

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Love and Peace
Dave

Thank you. You say that you're not saying that Christ was created, but in your earlier post you suggested that the light God created as mentioned in Genesis 1:3 was Christ. That's why I was confused. Sorry if I misunderstood you. Thanks again.

 

[CoreyD]

I agree. Psalm 33 talks of God speaking and things happening:

“By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth. He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap; He lays up the deep in storehouses. Let all the earth fear the LORD; Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.” (Ps 33:6-9 NKJV)

Is that verse saying God spoke something into existence, or is it saying by the word of God, something was done?
Take for example... By the word of the foreman, the foundation was laid.
The foundation was laid, at the order, or command of the foreman.

Likewise, the heavens were made, at the command of God - by the word of God.
How do we know his is correct?

1. The Word was with God in the beginning John 1:1, and it is through the Word that all things were made. Colossians 1:16
   For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.
   
2. The Bible tells us that God worked.
   Genesis 2:1-3
   
   1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.​
   ​
   God commanded Israel not to do any work on the seventh day. Why? Exodus 20:8-11; Exodus 31:17
   
   Psalm 8:3
   
   When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,​
   Psalm 19:1
   
   The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands.​
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   Psalm 102:25
   
   In the beginning You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.​
   ​
   Why does David refer to the work of God's hands and fingers, if God did not work?
   
   Other Bible writers agree.
   Isaiah 40:26
   
   Lift up your eyes on high: Who created all these? He leads forth the starry host by number; He calls each one by name. Because of His great power and mighty strength, not one of them is missing.​
   ​
   Isaiah 48:13
   
   Surely My own hand founded the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they stand up together.​
   ​
   Hebrews 1:10
   
   And: “In the beginning, O Lord, You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.​

The Bible itself, gives us verification, that God used holy spirit to create Genesis 1:2, and his only begotten son - the Word - was empowered by holy spirit, to make all things. Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28
We can appreciate then, that yes, by the word of God - his stated commands to his son - the heavens and the earth were created.
Commands:

• God said, “Let there be light” Genesis 1:3
• God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Genesis 1:6
• God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. Genesis 1:9
• God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. Genesis 1:11
• God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. Genesis 1:14, 15
• God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” Genesis 1:20
• God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so. Genesis 1:24
• God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Genesis 1:26

Consider that in Genesis 1:26, God said, "Let us..."
It is obvious that God was not talking to energy, but to the Word, who was with him in the beginning.
John 1:14, 18

14 the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.​

18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten theos: God, a god, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.​

All the scriptures harmonize perfectly, in this way.

 

[Diamond72]

Is that verse saying God spoke something into existence, or is it saying by the word of God, something was done?

The word said appears around 3,000 times in the KJV. We are told that God declares the end from the beginning and that He watches over His Word to perform what He said He was going to do.

Declaring the End from the Beginning:​

• Isaiah 46:10 (NIV): "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’"
• Isaiah 48:3 (NIV): "I foretold the former things long ago, my mouth announced them and I made them known; then suddenly I acted, and they came to pass."

God Watching Over His Word:​

• Jeremiah 1:12 (NIV): "The Lord said to me, 'You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.'"
• Numbers 23:19 (NIV): "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

 

[davetaff]

The word said appears around 3,000 times in the KJV. We are told that God declares the end from the beginning and that He watches over His Word to perform what He said He was going to do.

Declaring the End from the Beginning:​

• Isaiah 46:10 (NIV): "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’"
• Isaiah 48:3 (NIV): "I foretold the former things long ago, my mouth announced them and I made them known; then suddenly I acted, and they came to pass."

God Watching Over His Word:​

• Jeremiah 1:12 (NIV): "The Lord said to me, 'You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.'"
• Numbers 23:19 (NIV): "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

Hi Diomond7
Thank you for you post what dose

• Isaiah 46:10 (NIV): "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’"

Mean I believe it means the end of creation man in the image of God Jesus Christ at his second comming with the multitude of believers which he presents to the Father this is man ( mankind ) in the image of God the multitude will be divided up after the pattern of Israel who is Gods son in the flesh so he would be in the image of his Father who is God

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Diamond72]

Mean I believe it means the end of creation man in the image of God Jesus Christ

God knows the end from the beginning. The concept that Jesus was "slain from the foundation of the world" is referenced in the New Testament, specifically in the Book of Revelation:

Revelation 13:8 (KJV):​

• "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

This verse highlights the idea that Jesus’ sacrificial death was part of God's eternal plan, predetermined before the creation of the world. It's a profound theological statement about the foreknowledge and sovereignty of God.

 

[CoreyD]

The word said appears around 3,000 times in the KJV. We are told that God declares the end from the beginning and that He watches over His Word to perform what He said He was going to do.

Declaring the End from the Beginning:​

• Isaiah 46:10 (NIV): "I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’"
• Isaiah 48:3 (NIV): "I foretold the former things long ago, my mouth announced them and I made them known; then suddenly I acted, and they came to pass."

God Watching Over His Word:​

• Jeremiah 1:12 (NIV): "The Lord said to me, 'You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled.'"
• Numbers 23:19 (NIV): "God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?"

Excellent scriptures.
This would go well with my thread on the purpose of the earth.
Watching to see that my word is fulfilled, is exactly what God does. Great.

 

[FredVB]

I see that at the end of the six days of creation on this earth it was all perfect, according to God's design. It is the only thing God said is very good, in all the Bible. Life was created, there was no death or any suffering, dominion man would have as steward to this earth, to be the image of God, would be without the death or suffering, as it was said right then in that very context, and there was no change to ever come but when there was sin against God. Trust was lost, and suffering and death came in, as man would now have this world with his choices, without God, and this was how there was spreading curse on the earth. Only God did not give up, having the plan for redeeming many, for a restored creation, though still many would remain rebellious in sin, and deny God with that.

There was the unformed world before, just one of any such planets, until God worked the six days of creation on it for what was perfect with all the life on it. Nothing is known about how long the unformed world was here until that time, other than what God always knows. God made everything, still.

 

[FredVB]

Those who are not believers will not understand there would be eternity. Most of them know there was a beginning, when the universe started. But they do not see there was always necessary existence, which we who are believers know is God, always existing, and the cause of the universe which was started. Their understanding is that everything would wind down (that really shows there was a beginning) and the universe would dissipate with elements decaying. We who are believers can understand that God, who made all creation, with our world that God called very good, made it all to last. The world we have now being under curse that grew and spread still has God's set plan of being replaced with the world as it should be, in the restoration for the creation that will include the repentant redeemed who must be freed from sin, that none of them would ever sin again, which is rebellion against God's will. This will really be with lasting in eternity, with there never being decay, which does happen with the curse that spread, but will no longer in the restoration for eternity, which God who is eternal continues, with God's control over all, with all there gladly consenting to.