Genesis 1:5 THE FIRST DAY (KJV)

[BNR32FAN]

This does not address my question.
My question was Do you really believe God rested for 24 hours?
I can ask it another way, if you like.
Is the 7th day also 24 hours, on which God rested?

It absolutely does answer the question. My answer not only said yes it also explained why my answer is yes.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You did read the text, did you?

Hebrews 4:3-5
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:“So I swore in My wrath,‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

What rest is here being referred to? Is it not that referred to in verse 4?
Please answer with the use of scripture.

You didn’t answer my question where do all the souls come from if God is at rest?

 

[davetaff]

Personally I think that believers who have died have already entered into that rest.

Hi believers who die enter into sleep and Christ will wake them up on his return if we sleep we are not dead.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David
Thank you for your reply but what God dose say is

Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

So creation is ongoing and won't be finished until we have man in the image of God and that man is Jesus Christ at his second coming

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

So Christ is the only man in scripture who is said to be the image of God

Love and Peace
Dave

But the verse says: "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." It does not say that the Creator is still creating, or that the Creation was not complete. Indeed, we are told:

“2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.” (Ge 2:2-3 NKJV)

 

[BNR32FAN]

You did read the text, did you?

Hebrews 4:3-5
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:“So I swore in My wrath,‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

What rest is here being referred to? Is it not that referred to in verse 4?
Please answer with the use of scripture.

The rest that is being mentioned here is the rest that God will give His children from their works. Nowhere does it say that God has continued resting since the 7th day. That’s why I asked you where do all the souls come from every time another person is born.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi believers who die enter into sleep and Christ will wake them up on his return if we sleep we are not dead.

Love and Peace
Dave

I disagree with that idea, Moses and Elijah certainly weren’t asleep at the transfiguration and in Revelation 6 the martyrs cry out to God asking when they will be avenged. Also Abraham and Lazarus weren’t asleep in Abraham’s Bosom.

 

[davetaff]

I disagree with that idea, Moses and Elijah certainly weren’t asleep at the transfiguration and in Revelation 6 the martyrs cry out to God asking when they will be avenged. Also Abraham and Lazarus weren’t asleep in Abraham’s Bosom.

Hi BNR32FAN
Thank you for your reply how about

Jhn 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

Jhn 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

Jhn 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

Jhn 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think we understand that you have personal beliefs, but what Hebrews is referring to, are the living.
The poster you are responding to, is referring to these "people of God". Hebrews 4:1-13

What is your response concerning these?

They are alive in spirit not in body. The rest the author of Hebrews is referring to is the rest we receive in heaven after our physical death.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi BNR32FAN
Thank you for your reply how about

Jhn 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

Jhn 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

Jhn 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

Jhn 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Love and Peace
Dave

Lazarus was not finished with his time here on earth. He was a special case of someone who had died but was going to be resurrected and come back to earth. I don’t think we can apply this situation to everyone since as I pointed out the scriptures clearly show people who did die who were not asleep before Jesus’ second coming.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi
The creation account in Genesis should be applied starting with Noah and will take 7000 years the 7th day the Farthers sabbath rest the end of creation is mankind in the image of God that is Jesus Christ the head his body the multitude of believers which he will present to the Father then Christ will reign over the believers for a 1000 years this is the Fathers sabbath rest for us this will be a time of learning not forgetting we entered his body as little children

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

As little children we have a lot to learn

Love and Peace
Dave

The creation account can’t start with Noah because there were likely thousands of people who lived before Noah who were created.

 

[davetaff]

But the verse says: "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." It does not say that the Creator is still creating, or that the Creation was not complete. Indeed, we are told:

“2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.” (Ge 2:2-3 NKJV)

Hi David
Thank you for you reply when did this creation start I say it began with noah and everything on the ark everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood but we know that the end of creation is man in the image of God and that man is Jesus Christ at his second coming.
And as Christ has not come yet can only mean creation is on going God has to complete his creation which is man ( mankind ) in his image which is Christ At his second coming if you wish to know what man in Gods image looks like look at Israel this is man in Gods image in the flesh which must come first then comes man in the image of God in the spirit Jesus Christ.
Everything God created before the flood was destroyed in the flood except for Noah and everything on the ark so its only what happened after the flood that concerns us.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[davetaff]

Lazarus was not finished with his time here on earth. He was a special case of someone who had died but was going to be resurrected and come back to earth. I don’t think we can apply this situation to everyone since as I pointed out the scriptures clearly show people who did die who were not asleep before Jesus’ second coming.

Hi BNR32FAN
Thank you for you reply what I notice is you never use Gods word to backup what you say its not what we say that counts but what God's word says.

Love and Peace
DAVE

 

[BNR32FAN]

Hi BNR32FAN
Thank you for you reply what I notice is you never use Gods word to backup what you say its not what we say that counts but what God's word says.

Love and Peace
DAVE

I did use God’s word I just didn’t quote the particular verses because they should be common knowledge amongst Christians. Are you not familiar with the scriptures regarding the transfiguration where Moses and Elijah appeared before Jesus, Peter, James, and John? Are you not familiar with the story of Lazarus and the rich man? Are you not familiar with the cry out of the martyrs in Revelation 6? All of these people were dead and all of these events took place before Jesus’ second coming. So I’ve given several examples of people who were dead and not sleeping, Moses, Elijah, Abraham, and Lazarus, and also how ever many martyrs there were in Revelation 6 which is probably quite a few. You gave one example of one person whom Jesus was going to resurrect back to life which was a very different situation than the rest.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Is day at Genesis 2:4 figurative?

I already said that Beyovm can be used to indicate a period of time other than 24 hours. Yovm is never used in that manner with the exception of a few proverbial sayings. Genesis 1 and 2 are not proverbial passages.

 

[davetaff]

I did use God’s word I just didn’t quote the particular verses because they should be common knowledge amongst Christians. Are you not familiar with the scriptures regarding the transfiguration where Moses and Elijah appeared before Jesus, Peter, James, and John? Are you not familiar with the story of Lazarus and the rich man? Are you not familiar with the cry out of the martyrs in Revelation 6? All of these people were dead and all of these events took place before Jesus’ second coming. So I’ve given 6 examples of people who were dead and not sleeping, Moses, Elijah, Abraham, and Lazarus, and also how ever many martyrs there were in Revelation 6 which is probably quite a few. You gave one example of one person whom Jesus was going to resurrect back to life which was a very different situation than the rest.

hi BNR32FAN
thank you for your reply I do not remember all the scriptures because I have the start of dementia so I read my bible every day in the hope I will remember some of it.
the people you mention above were all dead but were brought back from the dead to serve Gods purpose then I presume they returned to their sleeping because there is no proof they are alive today many have been raised from the dead

Mat 27:52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised,

but none of those are alive today so I assume the have returned to sleeping in their graves

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[CoreyD]

The day of the Lord is judgement day. There’s nothing about any of these verses that indicate a period of time that is more than 24 hours.

You are saying that Judgment day - the day of the Lord, is a day of 24 hours.

What does the Bible say...
Please read Isaiah 2:11-17.

On that day - bay·yō·wm - that is, the day (yō·wm) of the Lord, which is coming... against Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, God will "cut off from this place the remnant of Baal and the name of the idolatrous priests along with the priests" Zephaniah 1:4.

In that very day - bay·yō·wm - that is, the day (yō·wm) of the Lord, "all the merchant people are cut down; All those who handle money are cut off", and God "will search Jerusalem with lamps and punish the men settled in complacency, who say to themselves, ‘The LORD will do nothing, either good or bad.’"
"Their wealth will be plundered and their houses laid waste. They will build houses but not inhabit them, and plant vineyards but never drink their wine."
Yes. On that very day - bay·yō·wm - that is, the day (yō·wm) of the Lord. Zephaniah 1:5-14

All that God declared, in these verses, and other related prophesies, did not occur in one literal 24 hour day.
Rather, this occurred during the period, Babylon conquered the land of Israel.

At Jeremiah 46:1-10, God describes his Judgment against Egypt, and surrounding nations, by the Babylonians.

For that day (wə·hay·yō·wm) belongs to the Lord GOD of Hosts, a day (yō·wm) of vengeance against His foes. The sword will devour until it is satisfied, until it is quenched with their blood. For the Lord GOD of Hosts will hold a sacrifice in the land of the north by the River Euphrates.

See Jeremiah 47:1-48:1; Obadiah 1:15
See the historical record from an extra-Biblical source.
Battle of Carchemish

When the Assyrian capital city of Nineveh was sacked in 612 BC following the Battle of Nineveh, the Assyrians under the leadership of general Ashur-uballit II were forced to flee to the outer territory city of Harran. After the Babylonians captured Harran in 610 BC during the Fall of Harran the Assyrians were forced once again to retreat to the city of Carchemish. Facing a fight for their civilization their Egyptian allies mustered a force to aid the Assyrians in the final battle.​

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However, the Egyptian army of Necho II would be delayed by the Battle of Megiddo (609 BE) in which the Kingdom of Judah under the leadership of Josiah tried to bar the Egyptians from passing through their land. The Jewish force was crushed and Josiah was killed during this engagement, his body buried in the city of Jerusalem in accordance with the ancient Jewish customs.​

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After the victory the Egyptians joined up with the Assyrians and unsuccessfully tried to take back the Harran region from Babylonia. They were forced to retreat back to Carchemish and this time the Babylonians came with their full force. Led by Nebuchadnezzar, the Babylonians crushed the combined forces of Egypt and Assyria and was a decisive changing point in Mesopotamian history.​

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The major record of the battle is known as the Nebuchadnezzar Chronicle which is currently housed in the British Museum. According to the Babylonian account, Nebuchadnezzar and his armies had to cross the Euphrates to crush the Assyrians at Carchemish. The Egyptian army withdrew first and in the aftermath the Assyrians were utterly crushed. The Egyptians that retreated were not so lucky as the Babylonians cut them off at the Hamath district and slaughtered them down to the last man. The Battle of Carchemish is also mentioned in the Bible, such as in the Book of Jeremiah and 2 Chronicles.​

According to the Bible, this day (yō·wm) of the Lord is a figurative day. Not a 24 hour day.
If you disagree, please provide the scriptural evidence for your assertions.

Yes I would agree because the Hebrew word Beyovm is used just like in verse 17.

So, it is figurative. Okay.
As shown above, yō·wm is also used to represent a figurative day.

What importance or value do the names dog, cat, or cow have?

I do not know the original name given to animals by Adam, or how exactly these creatures looked.
Names we have today, were not necessarily given by Adam.
The origin of the English word cat, Old English catt, is thought to be the Late Latin word cattus, which was first used at the beginning of the 6th century. The Late Latin word may be derived from an unidentified African language. The Nubian word kaddîska 'wildcat' and Nobiin kadīs are possible sources or cognates.

That wasn't a strawman, was it?

Unless maybe that person had to name all of the animals in 24 hours and really didn’t care what they were called. I often play a game called Ark Survival where I tame animals and have to name them and I usually just name them the first thing that pops into my head because it really doesn’t matter.

Is this your injection?

I would say that Adam possessed some intelligence but he was certainly no genius. I mean according to historians the wheel was only invented 5500 years ago which means that according to the genealogy records in the Bible that was around 500 years after creation.

Perhaps you are thinking of knowledge, rather than intelligence.
I am referring to intelligence.
Adam was created, a little lower than the angels.
Adam's offspring are less intelligent, due to their fallen nature.

You didn’t answer my question where do all the souls come from if God is at rest?

Where is your question? Was it addressed to me?

The rest that is being mentioned here is the rest that God will give His children from their works. Nowhere does it say that God has continued resting since the 7th day. That’s why I asked you where do all the souls come from every time another person is born.

Opinions and assertions are okay, provided they have supportive references... unless the poster just makes them, with the expectation of not having them considered.
Can I have a scripture for those, please?

Hebrews 4:3-5
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

The context here, is referring to the same rest - God's 7th day rest.

 

[davetaff]

Hi
As for Gods sabbath rest its a future event made plain by our Lord

But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

So if the Father and Son were working up to the time of Christ it means the Father had not rested so his Sabbath rest is to come and I believe it will be Christ's millennium,

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Platte]

Hi
As for Gods sabbath rest its a future event made plain by our Lord

But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

So if the Father and Son were working up to the time of Christ it means the Father had not rested so his Sabbath rest is to come and I believe it will be Christ's millennium,

Love and Peace
Dave

The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. Work 6 days then rest on the 7th. Its an ongoing event that’s been happening for several thousand years

 

[davetaff]

The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week. Work 6 days then rest on the 7th. Its an ongoing event that’s been happening for several thousand years

Hi Platte
Thank you for your reply is jest a mirror image of The fathers sabbath rest wich is the last day of this creation which began with Noah which would take 7000 years the last 1000 years Christs millennial reign and the Fathers sabbath rest he can rest because Christ is in charge of the world.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[CoreyD]

Hi
As for Gods sabbath rest its a future event made plain by our Lord

But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

So if the Father and Son were working up to the time of Christ it means the Father had not rested so his Sabbath rest is to come and I believe it will be Christ's millennium,

Love and Peace
Dave

Genesis 1:31 And God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Genesis 2:1, 2
1 And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.

The Bible says what God rested from, is the work he had done during creation.
In other words, God's creative works were complete, and God rested from creative works - he would not be creating anything physical, until that rest day was up.

We could think of it this way.
A person builds a house, and it is completed. He rests from the work of building the house, but does that mean he rests from all work? No.
Since he isn't lazy, as we know God isn't, he works at maintaining the house, and seeing to its upkeep.

Similarly, God rested from the creation of the heavens and earth, and all that is in them, but now, he takes interest in work related to seeing the fulfillment of his purpose for the creation.
So, Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

We read about the work the son is doing in scripture. John 4:34