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Genesis 1:5 THE FIRST DAY (KJV)

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No need to get personal.
If a thousand years is a day to God, the day is singular. An evening and morning - singular, can be applied to that day.
First of all please accept my sincere apology for my sarcasm, I promise to refrain from that type of response in the future, it was uncalled for and I do sincerely apologize.

Peter said that a day IS LIKE, or IS AS a thousand years. He didn’t say it is a thousand years, there’s a difference. God being omnipresent means that He exists in all places and in all time simultaneously, so in reality there is no concept of time all at from God’s perspective.
 
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No need to get personal.
If a thousand years is a day to God, the day is singular. An evening and morning - singular, can be applied to that day.

Even the wisest man of his day - Solomon, understood this.
Sow your seed in the morning, and do not rest your hands in the evening, for you do not know which will succeed, whether this or that, or if both will equally prosper. Ecclesiastes 11:6

Is Solomon talking about literal morning and evening?
No. Even God used this kind of figurative speech. Isaiah 17:11
You’re quoting proverbial passages, that is clearly observable by the surrounding verses in these chapters.
 
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I'm not referring to a need. I am referring to the fact that those reading the Genesis account as 6 literal 24 hour days, are saying that God rested for 24 hours, which is really applying man's imperfect thinking, to the supreme creator.
Do you really believe God rested for 24 hours?
Yes I do believe what God Himself said that He did on the 7th day is the truth. If God specifically said that He rested on the 7th day and I wasn’t there to witness otherwise, why should I think that it isn’t true? The problem here is that you’re using deductive reasoning which is fine but you’re using it to contradict what God specifically said that He did. You’re making assumptions about things you can’t possibly know about when God specifically said exactly what He did.
 
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According to Hebrews 4:3-5, it does not.
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:“So I swore in My wrath,‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
Clearly, this verse refers to that same rest day of God, which is ongoing.
So, this is proof that the creative days were not literal 24 hour days, because the 7th day is not 24 hours, but thousands of years.
Where do you see evidence that the rest is ongoing? Where do all the new souls come from when another person is born?
 
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The Hebrew word yovm is never used figuratively?

Would you like to check again.
Ezekiel 30:3; Joel 1:15; Joel 2:1, 2; Joel 2:30-32; Joel 3:12-16; Amos 5:17-20; Zephaniah 1:4-2:3
When you are finished, you can get back to me, and let me know if you consider the day in those verses to be a literal 24 hours.


The specific time frame is not 24 hours, but specifically a day in God's view - God's creative day of his 6 creative days. Would you agree?


Can you describe the heavens created at Genesis 1:1, please?


The sun and moon.


Yes.
Where did Genesis 1:14 say God put the great lights and the stars?


I do not see any point in this.
It is not about how fast one can say A, or Z.
It is a matter of how a meaningful name that represents a creature, is given.
Anyone can spill gibberish from their mouth, but not everyone can make a sensible utterance. Especially when it is important, and of value.

No one with any regard for any creature... whether that be a baby that now comes into the world, or an animal that will be recognized by others, will just rattle off any junk name to that creature.

Adam was an intelligent being, remember. So, I would not compare him to the thinking of fallen beings, in a day and age which the Bible says will be dominated by people lacking good sense.


No need to get personal.
If a thousand years is a day to God, the day is singular. An evening and morning - singular, can be applied to that day.

Even the wisest man of his day - Solomon, understood this.
Sow your seed in the morning, and do not rest your hands in the evening, for you do not know which will succeed, whether this or that, or if both will equally prosper. Ecclesiastes 11:6

Is Solomon talking about literal morning and evening?
No. Even God used this kind of figurative speech. Isaiah 17:11


I'm not referring to a need. I am referring to the fact that those reading the Genesis account as 6 literal 24 hour days, are saying that God rested for 24 hours, which is really applying man's imperfect thinking, to the supreme creator.
Do you really believe God rested for 24 hours?

Does such a belief have scriptural support?
According to Hebrews 4:3-5, it does not.
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:​
“So I swore in My wrath,​
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”​
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”​

Clearly, this verse refers to that same rest day of God, which is ongoing.
So, this is proof that the creative days were not literal 24 hour days, because the 7th day is not 24 hours, but thousands of years.

A person who accepts this, and yet claims that the six days were 24 hours long, is not being consistent.
Do you accept this?


No. How do you figure that I am only looking at Genesis 1 by itself, and Genesis 1:1 does not have to be an overview, but is part of a sequence of events from Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 1:31?
Please address the question.
Correct me if I’m wrong but you were explaining the gap theory, were you not?
 
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Donkeys, snakes, and other animals do not speak.
They have been quite a lot of movies lately, that do a fantastic job, imo, of making animals appear to speak. They go beyond Sesame Street.
The passage says that the Lord opened the donkey’s mouth. It doesn’t say that the Lord told the angel to ventriloquist for the donkey.
God has often had to "open the eyes" of persons, for them to see what they do not see with physical eyes. 2 Kings 6:16-20; Numbers 22:31
Note that the donkey could see the angel, but Balamm couldn't.
You don't know the angel's voice was the donkey's. I can't convince you otherwise.
Yes you are correct you can’t convince me otherwise because the passage I quoted to you specifically says that the donkey spoke. You may not want to believe that, but it is what is specifically written in the Bible.
However, I hope you would believe God, who reveals that the serpent's voice was the rebellious angel's - Satan the Devil. Revelation 12:9; 2 Corinthians 11:3
Yes, angels can do better than the movie makers today. Angels do it for real - not Hollywood style.

If God cannot convince you, no one can.
Yeah everyone knows it was satan, it’s specifically mentioned in the passage.
 
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Yes I do believe what God Himself said that He did on the 7th day is the truth. If God specifically said that He rested on the 7th day and I wasn’t there to witness otherwise, why should I think that it isn’t true? The problem here is that you’re using deductive reasoning which is fine but you’re using it to contradict what God specifically said that He did. You’re making assumptions about things you can’t possibly know about when God specifically said exactly what He did.
GOD Ssabbath rest is a future event its Christ's millennial reign the seventh day of this creation

Hebrews 4:9 ESV
[9] So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,


Love and Peace
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GOD Ssabbath rest is a future event its Christ's millennial reign the seventh day of this creation

Hebrews 4:9 ESV
[9] So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,


Love and Peace
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Personally I think that believers who have died have already entered into that rest.
 
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First of all please accept my sincere apology for my sarcasm, I promise to refrain from that type of response in the future, it was uncalled for and I do sincerely apologize.
Apology accepted.

Peter said that a day IS LIKE, or IS AS a thousand years. He didn’t say it is a thousand years, there’s a difference.
Thank you for the correction.

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or like a watch in the night.
Do you agree, or disagree that in God's view (from God's perspective), a thousand years is like a day?

If a thousand years is like/as a day to God, that day is singular. An evening and morning - singular, can be applied to that day.
Do you agree, or disagree?

God being omnipresent means that He exists in all places and in all time simultaneously, so in reality there is no concept of time all at from God’s perspective.
You have to remember that your interpretation is not universally accepted, so it does not count as evidence in this discussion.
 
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You’re quoting proverbial passages, that is clearly observable by the surrounding verses in these chapters.
I'll like to remind you that your opinion of what is "clearly observable by the surrounding verses", is subjective, and this argument can be made for every scripture you claim says something other than...

Hence, these scriptures are not to be dismissed on the basis of one having a subjective opinion.
These scriptures are evidence against your argument.

An evening and morning - singular, can be applied to a figurative day, according to Ecclesiastes 11:6 and Isaiah 17:11.
Do you disagree or agree with this?
 
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Yes I do believe what God Himself said that He did on the 7th day is the truth. If God specifically said that He rested on the 7th day and I wasn’t there to witness otherwise, why should I think that it isn’t true? The problem here is that you’re using deductive reasoning which is fine but you’re using it to contradict what God specifically said that He did. You’re making assumptions about things you can’t possibly know about when God specifically said exactly what He did.
This does not address my question.
My question was Do you really believe God rested for 24 hours?
I can ask it another way, if you like.
Is the 7th day also 24 hours, on which God rested?
 
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Where do you see evidence that the rest is ongoing? Where do all the new souls come from when another person is born?
You did read the text, did you?

Hebrews 4:3-5
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:“So I swore in My wrath,‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

What rest is here being referred to? Is it not that referred to in verse 4?
Please answer with the use of scripture.
 
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Correct me if I’m wrong but you were explaining the gap theory, were you not?
Gap creationism (also known as ruin-restoration creationism, restoration creationism, or "the Gap Theory") is a form of old Earth creationism that posits that the six-yom creation period, as described in the Book of Genesis, involved six literal 24-hour days (light being "day" and dark "night" as God specified), but that there was a gap of time between two distinct creations in the first and the second verses of Genesis, which the theory states explains many scientific observations, including the age of the Earth.

No. I do not believe in the six literal 24-hour day creation idea.
Nor do I believe there was a gap of time between two distinct creations in the first and the second verses of Genesis.

I don't believe either can be scripturally demonstrated.
 
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Personally I think that believers who have died have already entered into that rest.
I think we understand that you have personal beliefs, but what Hebrews is referring to, are the living.
The poster you are responding to, is referring to these "people of God". Hebrews 4:1-13

What is your response concerning these?
 
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Thank you for the correction.

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or like a watch in the night.
Do you agree, or disagree that in God's view (from God's perspective), a thousand years is like a day?

If a thousand years is like/as a day to God, that day is singular. An evening and morning - singular, can be applied to that day.
Do you agree, or disagree?
No that’s not how the word day is being used there. It’s not being used in reference to numerous days, it’s being used in reference to a single day, hence the term “is like”. That’s why it is used in the singular form. If I said a week vacation seems like a day that doesn’t change the definition of the word day because the whole point of the statement is that even though it was actually a week it didn’t feel like a week it felt like a single day. That’s why the word is used in the singular form.
 
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You have to remember that your interpretation is not universally accepted, so it does not count as evidence in this discussion.
That’s fine but you need to recognize that Peter didn’t only say that a day is like a thousand years, he said AND thousand years is like a day. Those are two opposing statements indicating that God’s perception of time is not linear.
 
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I'll like to remind you that your opinion of what is "clearly observable by the surrounding verses", is subjective, and this argument can be made for every scripture you claim says something other than...

Hence, these scriptures are not to be dismissed on the basis of one having a subjective opinion.
These scriptures are evidence against your argument.

An evening and morning - singular, can be applied to a figurative day, according to Ecclesiastes 11:6 and Isaiah 17:11.
Do you disagree or agree with this?
Yes in a proverbial or figurative sense yes. There’s nothing proverbial or figurative about the creation account given in Genesis 1, Genesis 2, or Exodus 20. This is such a common mistake when people try to take the usage of words from figurative passages and apply that usage to direct statements. The whole purpose of studying the scriptures is to determine the message that the writer was trying to convey. There’s no figurative language in Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 or Exodus 20. The only reason you’re trying to dismiss it as figurative is because you’re trying to conform the message so that it coincides with science and the reason it doesn’t work biblically is because the Bible doesn’t support such an interpretation without ignoring the information provided within it. Either science or the Bible is wrong and I think you’re trying to misinterpret the only source that was actually there when the universe was created.
 
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No that’s not how the word day is being used there. It’s not being used in reference to numerous days, it’s being used in reference to a single day, hence the term “is like”. That’s why it is used in the singular form. If I said a week vacation seems like a day that doesn’t change the definition of the word day because the whole point of the statement is that even though it was actually a week it didn’t feel like a week it felt like a single day. That’s why the word is used in the singular form.
Please explain what you think I said.
 
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Yes in a proverbial or figurative sense yes. There’s nothing proverbial or figurative about the creation account given in Genesis 1, Genesis 2, or Exodus 20. This is such a common mistake when people try to take the usage of words from figurative passages and apply that usage to direct statements. The whole purpose of studying the scriptures is to determine the message that the writer was trying to convey. There’s no figurative language in Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 or Exodus 20. The only reason you’re trying to dismiss it as figurative is because you’re trying to conform the message so that it coincides with science and the reason it doesn’t work biblically is because the Bible doesn’t support such an interpretation without ignoring the information provided within it. Either science or the Bible is wrong and I think you’re trying to misinterpret the only source that was actually there when the universe was created.
Is day at Genesis 2:4 figurative?
 
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You’re quoting proverbial passages, that is clearly observable by the surrounding verses in these chapters.
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The creation account in Genesis should be applied starting with Noah and will take 7000 years the 7th day the Farthers sabbath rest the end of creation is mankind in the image of God that is Jesus Christ the head his body the multitude of believers which he will present to the Father then Christ will reign over the believers for a 1000 years this is the Fathers sabbath rest for us this will be a time of learning not forgetting we entered his body as little children

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

As little children we have a lot to learn

Love and Peace
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