generational curses?

[marklbernard]

Hi there Markbernard,

If what you've stated is true then please kindly explain the following:-

John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I am not sure what you are meaning when you use this scripture, I have said that a Christian (i.e. "one who 'believes'") is not under the curses (and by extension the condemnation of the Law), could you please elaborate where you think I may be in error in regards to this scripture.

 

[gideon army]

I am not sure what you are meaning when you use this scripture, I have said that a Christian (i.e. "one who 'believes'") is not under the curses (and by extension the condemnation of the Law), could you please elaborate where you think I may be in error in regards to this scripture.

Hi there dearly Beloved of our Lord Christ Jesus Mark,

Apologized for not qualifying my earlier statement in it's full context, 90% of Christiandom profess Christ as Lord & as their savior. However that's when the distiction ends, they are preached/taught to 'work' for their righteousness/sanctification/justification & blessings via the Law which effectively nullify Christ BLOOD Bought Right for all believers to all the above BOLD 'blessings' & putting themselves into bondage again to fear which translate to curses

That's the main reason why the Church of Jesus Christ has been so weak, sick & poor throughout the ages without power to reign in life

 

[marklbernard]

Hi there dearly Beloved of our Lord Christ Jesus Mark,

Apologized for not qualifying my earlier statement in it's full context, 90% of Christiandom profess Christ as Lord & as their savior. However that's when the distiction ends, they are preached/taught to 'work' for their righteousness/sanctification/justification & blessings via the Law which effectively nullify Christ BLOOD Bought Right for all believers to all the above BOLD 'blessings' & putting themselves into bondage again to fear which translate to curses

That's the main reason why the Church of Jesus Christ has been so weak, sick & poor throughout the ages without power to reign in life

I do agree with this, the essence of what I am saying is that although we are free from the tyranny of the curses of the Law, there is still the process of sanctification that we must walk through, and some of the Generational "stuff" by whatever process it manifested in our lives before Christ is part of that sinful nature that we must put off. This process of sanctification is not via the Law, but through the power of the Spirit, as we trust, and yield to Him.

I will give you an example form my own life to illustrate the point that I am making.

My family history, on both sides, contains a lot of mental illness, in particular BiPolar or (as it used to be called) Manic Depression, as such both myself and my Sister have been clinically diagnosed with depression, and have both tried to commit suicide because of this depression. Now when I became a Christian, I received Jesus Christ, and all of the promises, which in Christ are yes and amen, where given to me because of my new identity and position in Christ. Now did my depression go because I received Christ?? no, why ? because I still had this member of my body, making war against my spirit wanting to bring me again in captivity to its lusts. Now does Christ therefore set me free from these things? Yes, of course, He has set me free, then why do I struggle with those things that once controlled me, things that where learned behaviors coming through my family line? Because to my flesh I serve the Law of Sin, and my mind serves the Law of Christ, what must be done with my mind therefore???

ROMANS 12:1-3

The Answer is in the ongoing transformation of the mind, as the mind is renewed we are transformed into the reality of Christ, this is, however a process, and has nothing to do with trusting or not trusting in the Law. Transformation is used in tandem with the concept of Sanctification.

in regards to those seeking to be made perfect by the Law, I agree with you, many have missed it, and are seeking to be made perfct by their own righteousness rather than Christs

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me (Deuteronomy 5:9 )


Do you think Christians can be under a generational curse? Cursed for the sins of their ancestors? I have read a few articles on the subject and some say that yes, it is possible; that you are saved by the blood of Jesus as far as your salvation and eternal life goes. But that you could still be subject to this curse in your earthly existence. It steals your overall quality of life. You may be sicker physically or even harbor feelings of depression, anxiety and low self esteem. They say it is like genetics; if your father is an alcoholic, then there is a high risk that you may fall into that same behavior. They even suggest that one characteristic of a generational curse would be diseases and disorders which are inherited. One article even suggested that you need to track down some family members and ask them what kinds of things they could have done that were exceptionally 'against' God. Make up a list and confess all these sins to God to be freed.

Yet some other articles say if you are a Christian and have accepted Jesus as your Savior, then you can not be under this curse, for

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us; for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. (Galatians 3:13)
They say once you become a Christian then all your past sins are forgotten and you are made new. Nothing old is left to linger over your head.

So, my questions are:
1) What do you believe a generational curse to be? (signs, symptoms or ‘happenings’ that you would use to say someone has this curse)
2) What kinds of sins would be responsible for creating this curse?
3) Are Christians subject to them still?
4) How do you break a generational curse?
5) Do you think demonic oppression and experiences with the demonic throughout your family's history are signs of a possible curse?

The "curse" motiff in the NT refers to the curse of the wrath of God upon sinners . . . ergo . . . any use of the OT citations about curses are misplaced in a conversation about spiritual warfare.

The term "curse" in generational curses is misleading and unfortunately not well worded. The concept of lingering spiritual darkness because of a past family member is never addressed in the NT nor in the OT. Any texts used, either for or against the belief in the concept, unfortunately can only be used as principles and not authoritative proofs. This makes it REALLY hard to argue biblically concerning the topic (once again either pro or con).

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

I do agree with this, the essence of what I am saying is that although we are free from the tyranny of the curses of the Law, there is still the process of sanctification that we must walk through, and some of the Generational "stuff" by whatever process it manifested in our lives before Christ is part of that sinful nature that we must put off. This process of sanctification is not via the Law, but through the power of the Spirit, as we trust, and yield to Him.

I will give you an example form my own life to illustrate the point that I am making.

My family history, on both sides, contains a lot of mental illness, in particular BiPolar or (as it used to be called) Manic Depression, as such both myself and my Sister have been clinically diagnosed with depression, and have both tried to commit suicide because of this depression. Now when I became a Christian, I received Jesus Christ, and all of the promises, which in Christ are yes and amen, where given to me because of my new identity and position in Christ. Now did my depression go because I received Christ?? no, why ? because I still had this member of my body, making war against my spirit wanting to bring me again in captivity to its lusts. Now does Christ therefore set me free from these things? Yes, of course, He has set me free, then why do I struggle with those things that once controlled me, things that where learned behaviors coming through my family line? Because to my flesh I serve the Law of Sin, and my mind serves the Law of Christ, what must be done with my mind therefore???

ROMANS 12:1-3

The Answer is in the ongoing transformation of the mind, as the mind is renewed we are transformed into the reality of Christ, this is, however a process, and has nothing to do with trusting or not trusting in the Law. Transformation is used in tandem with the concept of Sanctification.

in regards to those seeking to be made perfect by the Law, I agree with you, many have missed it, and are seeking to be made perfct by their own righteousness rather than Christs

WELL SAID!



I agree, spiritual warfare, for the Christian is primarily a case in sanctification . . . NOT salvation. Ergo, concepts of "curse" are misleading as they have to do with the penalty of sin, which we have been freed from.

That being said, surely the past of our predecessors effects us . . . not sure tho if the concept currently being promoted of "generational curses" of "demons have a RIGHT because of ground given prior by past family members" is correct . . . primarily because ANYONE born in this world is already "rightfully" under the influence of Satan (Eph 2) and it is only by salvation that one is removed from the family of Satan and grafted into the BODY/FAMILY of Christ. So to make a case that the demon has peculiar rights is WRONG because IT ALREADY HAS SWAY.

There is something to be said tho for a MORE overt interaction with the demonic per particular activities (Satanism, witchcraft and such will lead to a more "visible" activity of the demonic; or alcoholism may make one more susceptible to be bound by the same kinds of spirits that are infecting the elders in a home). But as I said, it is not because of peculiar "rights;" but is a combonation of ALREADY having the "right" and then levels of exposure BEYOND this.

 

[Duckybill]

The Bible mentions curses. There is a BIG curse in Deut. 28. I find it interesting that MOST professing Christians suffer the symptoms mentioned in the curse of Deut 28. No curse?

 

[addo]

Generational Curses in the Bible - Freemasonry Curse

This is a good link. Read it.

In my opinion, no, Christians cannot be affected bu generational curses. Non-Christians? Perhaps. It says that that happens to those that do not love the Lord. Christians love Him, don't they?

 

[Duckybill]

Generational Curses in the Bible - Freemasonry Curse

This is a good link. Read it.

In my opinion, no, Christians cannot be affected bu generational curses. Non-Christians? Perhaps. It says that that happens to those that do not love the Lord. Christians love Him, don't they?

How do you explain the MANY evils that befall Christians?

 

[addo]

How do you explain the MANY evils that befall Christians?

[FONT=&quot]Romans 8:28 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](28)[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.[/FONT]

All those bad things work together for the good of the children of God. And those things aren't all caused by a past error of an ancestor.

 

[Duckybill]

All those bad things work together for the good of the children of God.

Even a loved one dying and going to Hell for eternity? No way!

And those things aren't all caused by a past error of an ancestor.

Including our ancestor Adam? Sorry, but I don't believe in luck, good or bad.

Proverbs 16:33 (NKJV)
33 The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the Lord.

Daniel 9:11-12 (NKJV)
11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him. 12 And He has confirmed His words, which He spoke against us and against our judges who judged us, by bringing upon us a great disaster; for under the whole heaven such has never been done as what has been done to Jerusalem.

 

[Hairy Tic]

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me (Deuteronomy 5:9 )


Do you think Christians can be under a generational curse? Cursed for the sins of their ancestors?

## Absolutely not. It sounds like a mixture of Mormonism & voodoo. That's the impression I formed after reading a book by a RC priest on it (he thought that GCs were real ).

We are under grace - not the Law. Not only so, but it is very bad interpretation to take a half-verse (not even a whole verse, let alone a passage) out of the context to which it belongs, & to weave a completely new doctrine out of it. That has happened often enough - we don't need any more of it. The GC doctrine is the modern equivalent of the Rapture doctrine of the 19th century. It's particularly mischievous b/c it is very likely to hurt vulnerable people - & who can have any respect for that ?

I have read a few articles on the subject and some say that yes, it is possible; that you are saved by the blood of Jesus as far as your salvation and eternal life goes. But that you could still be subject to this curse in your earthly existence. It steals your overall quality of life. You may be sicker physically or even harbor feelings of depression, anxiety and low self esteem. They say it is like genetics; if your father is an alcoholic, then there is a high risk that you may fall into that same behavior. They even suggest that one characteristic of a generational curse would be diseases and disorders which are inherited. One article even suggested that you need to track down some family members and ask them what kinds of things they could have done that were exceptionally 'against' God. Make up a list and confess all these sins to God to be freed.

Yet some other articles say if you are a Christian and have accepted Jesus as your Savior, then you can not be under this curse, for

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us; for it is written, cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree. (Galatians 3:13)
They say once you become a Christian then all your past sins are forgotten and you are made new. Nothing old is left to linger over your head.

So, my questions are:
1) What do you believe a generational curse to be? (signs, symptoms or ‘happenings’ that you would use to say someone has this curse)
2) What kinds of sins would be responsible for creating this curse?
3) Are Christians subject to them still?
4) How do you break a generational curse?
5) Do you think demonic oppression and experiences with the demonic throughout your family's history are signs of a possible curse?

 

[Hairy Tic]

And I am telling you that the Jeremiah/Ezekiel citation that you provided HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SPIRITUAL WARFARE. As such, hermeneutically, you cannot use that Scripture to discount Gen curses.

You may be right . . . Gen curses may not affect us at all . . . cool. JUST DON'T USE THAT SCRIPTURE AS THIS IS NOT WHAT IT MEANS.

Jeremiah and Ezekiel, contextually, are refering to the practice of "passing the buck." The people were using this excuse (the fathers grapes sour the teeth of the sons) to try and excuse responsibility. Oh it is not my fault . . . I am suffering for the error of my dad.

## Which is exactly what this superstition claims - that "I am suffering for the error/misdeeds/attitudes/psychoses etc. of" my older relations, even many generations ago. It would be a good plot device for a film, but is good for nothing else.

The verse is applicable secondarily to GCs, even though the Prophet did not have this business in mind, & is not speaking of it.

So, mr prophet . . . don't rebuke me . . . I dont count.

That is the context and God is doing away with the excuse. The passage has nothing to do with breaking the strongholds of demons within people's lives.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

## Which is exactly what this superstition claims - that "I am suffering for the error/misdeeds/attitudes/psychoses etc. of" my older relations, even many generations ago. It would be a good plot device for a film, but is good for nothing else.

The verse is applicable secondarily to GCs, even though the Prophet did not have this business in mind, & is not speaking of it.

Which is exactly what this superstition claims - that "I am suffering for the error/misdeeds/attitudes/psychoses etc. of" my older relations, even many generations ago.

No, that is a FORM of the concept.

Another says that 'My folks CUT COVENANT with these entities' . . . the passage dealing with RESPONSIBILITY FOR SIN. "dont blame me, it isnt my fault, our elders got us into this" is ENTIRELY different then saying, "Crud, I got this whole spiritual mess to deal with because of my folks"

The point in the FIRST thrust is that of "shucking responsibility" . . . this shucking has NOTHING to do with Gen. curses . . . but that is what the SCRIPTURE is ABOUT. Meaning, to try and use it to denounce something that has to do with spiritual warfare when it has to do with responsibility, IS hermeneutical ERROR. It isnt the point of the author and AUTHORITATIVE MEANING is found in AUTHORIAL INTENT.

The verse is applicable secondarily to GCs,

How? The point of generational curses is, for the curser (demons and witches or whomever) is to effect people negatively, bondage, etc. The POINT of identifying Gen. curses for the CHRISTIAN is to remove bondage BY CONFESSING (owning the error) the error of the people . . . the PASSAGE refers to a principle WHEREBY PEOPLE CANNOT ESCAPE BLAME . . . people were trying NOT TO OWN IT. The saying was so that people could get away with their sin. The two concepts are almost diametrically opposed.

The POINT is that the passage cannot be applied to spiritual warfare and shouldnt be taken as a passage that presents a principle that contradicts the concept of Gen. Curses. IT ISNT THE POINT . . . and the philosophical underpinnings of the passage and the concepts of Gen Curses DONT EVEN INTERSECT.

Dont believe in em? Fine . . .dont . . . not sure if I do myself or not . . . and I deal with demons . . . pretty regularly . . . I am just being honest with the passage per healthy heremeneutical principle.

 

[Frogster]

Gee..last I checked, Christians do not hate God! The curse people forget that don't they?

Exodus 20:5
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Gee..last I checked, Christians do not hate God! The curse people forget that don't they?

Exodus 20:5
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

I have stated that the jury for me is out . . . so take this into ur consideration when responding

The Ex. verse isnt about spiritual warfare. It is about God's wrath upon the unrighteous.

The "curse" concept (and as stated the use of the term "curse" is probably a BAD choice) is in dealing with bondage by demons.

So the concepts dont even touch.

Gen. Curses r not in the scripture . . . u cant prove it . . . u cant disprove it.

 

[Frogster]

I have stated that the jury for me is out . . . so take this into ur consideration when responding

The Ex. verse isnt about spiritual warfare. It is about God's wrath upon the unrighteous.

The "curse" concept (and as stated the use of the term "curse" is probably a BAD choice) is in dealing with bondage by demons.

So the concepts dont even touch.

Gen. Curses r not in the scripture . . . u cant prove it . . . u cant disprove it.

Good to see you anyway.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Good to see you anyway.

 

[Protrepo]

Not all curses are generational.

 

[kimmiemae]

Well does any of this qualify as generational? Ponder these questions.....

Can you make a list of your parents/ancestors faults?

Have you entered into the same faults?

Have you judged them for their faults?

Have you blamed them for teaching you this fault?

 

[nobdysfool]

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