Gen 1:1 = Big Bang?

[Skaloop]

If you made a point with this, I missed it.

Would you dumb it down please, so I can understand it?

Thank you.

More of a joke than a point, really. But in general, I have come across a few types of people who seem to think that coming up with a bit of clever wordplay (alliteration, rhyming, reflective phrases, etc.) to describe their argument somehow lends merit to that argument. Too often it's style over substance.

Not necessarily in this specific case, but it just reminded me of it.

 

[Chalnoth]

Not if Adam wrote Genesis 1-2.

QV please: Tablet Theory

So, you're just making up random dates for Genesis 1-2 now?

 

[Chalnoth]

@ the OP

You might be interested at looking into old earth creation and theistic evolution. The big bang doesn't conflict with scripture, if anything it shows that the universe had a beginning. I believe it was when God called the light into existence, that was the big bang.

Genesis 1:3 - And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Sorry, but this doesn't work.

Sure, you can take a single quote out of context and if you [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] your head just right you can sorta kinda a little bit see how it might be somewhat like the way the universe actually was. But that is just dishonest to what the scripture says, and it also requires a complete misunderstanding (or denial) of the science.

The fact of the matter is that the first couple of chapters in Genesis completely and utterly disagree with the observational evidence, on a wide number of levels. There is no sense in which these two chapters can be even remotely related to what actually happened. And if you think they are metaphorical: what are they metaphors for?

 

[AV1611VET]

More of a joke than a point, really. But in general, I have come across a few types of people who seem to think that coming up with a bit of clever wordplay (alliteration, rhyming, reflective phrases, etc.) to describe their argument somehow lends merit to that argument. Too often it's style over substance.

Not necessarily in this specific case, but it just reminded me of it.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, you're just making up random dates for Genesis 1-2 now?

-- What?

 

[Skaloop]

OK, then which is it and why? There are even a few combinations possible among those four possibilities.

 

[sandwiches]

I knew that question was coming, and I made up my mind that I wasn't going to answer it.

You guys just want to vent and argue.

QV post 34.

So, you vent, argue, and complain for hours on end in this forum, but this one question you can't answer, AV?

 

[Davian]

Can you demonstrate that the second author was not aware of the writings of the first?

If Jesus was a myth, then you are using myth to support myth. Perhaps 'circular' should be replaced with 'absurd'.

Can you demonstrate that Jesus - as described in the bible - was not myth?

I hope not.

God required His people to be well-versed in the Scriptures.

I doubt I could to someone with a mindset like I think you have; but for those who really want to know...

But I do really want to know. I am just taking a skeptical approach.

Do you have "Truth" or do you just have "religion"?

 

[AV1611VET]

OK, then which is it and why?

I'll give you three guesses --

 

[AV1611VET]

But I do really want to know. I am just taking a skeptical approach.

Do you have "Truth" or do you just have "religion"?

I know -- you want to skepticize the answer.

I have The Truth living inside of me:

John 14:6a Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:

 

[sandwiches]

I know -- you want to skepticize the answer.

You don't even know what you're saying at this point, do you?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I know -- you want to skepticize the answer.

'Skepticize'? AV, do you even know what the word 'skeptic' means?

I have The Truth living inside of me:

John 14:6a Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:

Prove it.

 

[Davian]

But I do really want to know. I am just taking a skeptical approach.

Do you have "Truth" or do you just have "religion"?

I know -- you want to skepticize the answer.

I have The Truth living inside of me:

John 14:6a Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:

Skepticize? Does that mean "do not accept outright assertions"?

Of course the authors of the bible wrote "this is the truth" in the bible. It wouldn't be much of a 'holy' book if they wrote otherwise.

Can you demonstrate that you have "the Truth" or do you just have "religion"?

 

[AV1611VET]

'Skepticize'? AV, do you even know what the word 'skeptic' means?

A true skeptic -- (not these watered-down Internet skeptics of today) -- is a person who would refuse to accept anything on principle, hoping to eventually receive enlightenment [from whatever or wherever] for his efforts.

Kinda like scientists, but not as ... uneducated.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

A true skeptic -- (not these watered-down Internet skeptics of today) -- is a person who would refuse to accept anything on principle, hoping to eventually receive enlightenment [from whatever or wherever] for his efforts.

Kinda like scientists, but not as ... uneducated.

Uhuh. I thought you didn't know.

Sceptics are people who maintain disbelief until suitably convinced. All good scientists are sceptics, and for good reason: we haven't achieved the level of technological prowess we have today by blindly accepting anything people tell us. When that happens, we have the Holocaust, Thalydamide, and Republicanism.

 

[Jazer]

But the point in saying that evolution has no direction is that no particular one of those possible changes is always preferred.

It does not matter because you are still constrained by the environmental conditions that evolution has no control over. The length of the day, how hot or cold, how dry or wet, and all the other conditions that each individual organism has to adapt to. In addition to the organisms in a biodiverse system adapting to each other. Each Biodiverse system produces life that is unique to that ecology. Eden was no exception. There is a unique Biodiverse system in the Middle East. The Bible gives us a written history of this area and the people that wrote the Bible are a part of this ecology that Evolution tells us so much about.

We are talking about the area between the Tigris and the Euphrates River. In recent years there is talk that Saddam Hussein drained the marshland in the southern part of Iraq. This is said to be one of the biggest assults against nature and our planet when he destroyed this whole biodiverse ecology. I would imagine the whole system would come back if they quit draining off the water. If they allow nature to manage itself.

 

[Jazer]

I recommend the argument:

Jesus: Lord, Liar, Lunatic or Legend?

Isn't that argument a violation of the rules? I thought we were not allowed to argue against the statement of faith.

 

[Jazer]

When that happens, we have the Holocaust, Thalydamide, and Republicanism.

I am a skeptic because of the Holocaust, Thalydamide, and Republicanism. Esp when history tends to repeat itself.

 

[AV1611VET]

Isn't that argument a violation of the rules? I thought we were not allowed to argue against the statement of faith.

It's a book by Josh McDowell, showing Jesus is Lord.

 

[Doveaman]

I'm assuming that this has been touched on before, so sorry for the repeat.

I'ma new Christian and have started from the beginning, Genesis 1:1 - "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

I was thinking that perhaps the 'Big Bang' theory isn't too far from the truth. This passage doesn't say how God created the earth, just that he did. Could the big bang simply be God creating the earth?

What do you think?

Actually, the Big Bang theory is a theistic idea designed to explain how God did it.

For some odd reason atheists adopted this theistic idea into their faith.