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U.S. population as of 2007: 301,621,157

approx. 74.3% of the U.S. population claims to be christian

approx. 4.6%(over 13 million) of the U.S. population claims to be a homosexual

assuming that these two are mutually exclusive(which they are apparently not, as I have seen recently on this forum but, we will say they are for this) we know that there is another whole 21.1% of the population that is "unsaved"

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-There were 11,252,828 counts of violent crimesin the U.S. in 2007 including everything from theft, assault, rape, murder, and burglary
(not including drug, alcohol, or vehicle related crimes)

-There are 3.5 million homeless people in the U.S.(1.35 million of which are children) at any given point in the year.

-852 million(13%) people world wide (almost 3x the U.S. population) are starving right now.

-4,162 U.S. troops and 1,033,112 total deaths in Iraq since the beginning of the war 5 years ago.

-approx. 33 million people worldwide infected with HIV

-approx. 10.9 million _new_ cancer patients a year; 6.7 million of which die every year

-Divorce rates in the U.S.:
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%

-No. of countries at war as of 2008: 59

-approx 210 million orphan children worldwide
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So why is it that I see almost every other thread titled with something to do with homosexuality or "gays"?

Do you seriously believe that they're out to get you and destroy what you believe?

Or is it that they don't follow your beliefs, that they bother you, and that they're a relatively easy target that's close to home.

Given that they want to have the right to get married for the sake of having that title and the tax benefits that come along with it, I don't see the problem. They aren't asking for a christian wedding. You can't pull the "marriage is a sacred thing given to us by god." There is a form of wedding tradition in EVERY culture.

What about AAALLL of the people worldwide that will die and supposedly go to hell because they never heard of God because you did not witness to them? Given that 2 people die every second, it looks like you're a little behind.

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Because Gays are trying to gain reconition through a very sacred and moral thing by wanting to be wed...this is demoraling God's plan for man and woman and the family ......The majority have spoken through their votes and don't want it legalized and the gays are trying to push it through.
 
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Because Gays are trying to gain reconition through a very sacred and moral thing by wanting to be wed...this is demoraling God's plan for man and woman and the family ......The majority have spoken through their votes and don't want it legalized and the gays are trying to push it through.

There is such a thing as minority rights. And anyway, the California constitution can't contravene the US one; just wait until gay marriage gets to the Supreme Court.
 
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Because Gays are trying to gain reconition through a very sacred and moral thing by wanting to be wed...this is demoraling God's plan for man and woman and the family ......The majority have spoken through their votes and don't want it legalized and the gays are trying to push it through.

By wanting to marry my boyfriend, I'm not trying to gain any recognition. All I want is to be able to live with him for the rest of my life. He's my best friend and my lover. When I hold him, it feels like someone lit a fire in my chest. If God thinks I should be burning in Hell for that, he sounds like a pretty big bigot to me.

I could really care less if the only people who attended my wedding were my family and friends. The only thing I want people to recognize is that I'm madly in love with this man. I respect God's right to disapprove of that, but it saddens me that he doesn't respect what my own heart is telling me.
 
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So who is competent to change marriage?


well I can tell you one thing, the gay community sure is not....They have an extremely low rate of success with even they're regular relationships(much shorter duration and higher rate of partners than the regular average heterosexual), what makes them competant as far as deciding the things of marriage?
 
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By wanting to marry my boyfriend, I'm not trying to gain any recognition. All I want is to be able to live with him for the rest of my life. He's my best friend and my lover. When I hold him, it feels like someone lit a fire in my chest. If God thinks I should be burning in Hell for that, he sounds like a pretty big bigot to me.

I could really care less if the only people who attended my wedding were my family and friends. The only thing I want people to recognize is that I'm madly in love with this man. I respect God's right to disapprove of that, but it saddens me that he doesn't respect what my own heart is telling me.

So God ought to let you tell Him what is right and what is wrong. Sounds like a role reversal.
 
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Because Gays are trying to gain reconition through a very sacred and moral thing by wanting to be wed...this is demoraling God's plan for man and woman and the family ......The majority have spoken through their votes and don't want it legalized and the gays are trying to push it through.
Marriage is a secular contract between two people.

The bible cannot be used to justify discrimination nor any laws that might pertain to it.

As for civil rights this is a democratic republic not a pure democracy and as such the majority cannot legally determine a minorities civil rights, thta is up to the court system.
 
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So God ought to let you tell Him what is right and what is wrong. Sounds like a role reversal.
Religion has no bearing on civil rights or the legal system of the United States, so you cannot use a fictitious being to justify removing someones civil rights.
 
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Religion has no bearing on civil rights or the legal system of the United States, so you cannot use a fictitious being to justify removing someones civil rights.


Read more carefully. I responded to someone who acknowledges a God.

I made no comment about removing civil rights.

You may deem God fictitious but don't be shocked to find theists on a Christian site.
 
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I still can't get past looking at this thread and thinking, 'Gaaaaaaaaaaays, I want to live forever, I want to learn how to fly...hiiiiigh, People will see me and cry, Gaaaaaay, I feel it coming together People will see me and cry GAYS ! I'm gonna make it to heaven
Light up the sky like a flame GAYS!!!!!! I'm gonna live forever Baby remember my name

RemembAH remembAH remembAH
 
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Of course. Because, like you, he lets a book do the thinking for him.

Well I do have a bachelors in engineering (GaTech) and a masters and PhD in historiccal theology (Dallas and Westminster Seminaries) so my acceptance of the Bible as authoritative was not a mindless choice.

And it is the most read best selling book of all human history.
 
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Of course. Because, like you, he lets a book do the thinking for him.

Please, when was the last time God spoke audibly to you, PC_F?



"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? - Jeremiah 17:9

He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But he who walks wisely will be delivered. - Proverbs 28:26


From the sole of the foot even to the head There is nothing sound in it, Only bruises, welts and raw wounds, Not pressed out or bandaged, Nor softened with oil - Isaiah 1:6


There is no soundness in my flesh because of Your indignation; There is no health in my bones because of my sin - Psalm 38:3



Next time think of those verses when you only let your "heart" do the thinking for you...


The character of a fool: He trusts to his own heart, to his own wisdom and counsels, his own strength and sufficiency, his own merit and righteousness, and the good opinion he has of himself; he that does so is a fool, for he trusts to that, not only which is deceitful above all things (Jer. 17:9), but which has often deceived him. This implies that it is the character of a wise man (as before, v. 25) to put his trust in the Lord, and in his power and promise, and to follow his guidance, Prov. 3:5, 6. 2. The comfort of a wise man: He that walks wisely, that trusts not to his own heart, but is humble and self-diffident, and goes on in the strength of the Lord God, he shall be delivered; when the fool, that trusts in his own heart, shall be destroyed.

He who puts confidence in man, shall be like the heath in a desert, a naked tree, a sorry shrub, the product of barren ground, useless and worthless. Those who trust to their own righteousness and strength, and think they can do without Christ, make flesh their arm, and their souls cannot prosper in graces or comforts. Those who make God their Hope, shall flourish like a tree always green, whose leaf does not wither. They shall be fixed in peace and satisfaction of mind; they shall not be anxious in a year of drought. Those who make God their Hope, have enough in him to make up the want of all creature-comforts. They shall not cease from yielding fruit in holiness and good works. The heart, the conscience of man, in his corrupt and fallen state, is deceitful above all things. It calls evil good, and good evil; and cries peace to those to whom it does not belong. Herein the heart is desperately wicked; it is deadly, it is desperate. The case is bad indeed, if the conscience, which should set right the errors of other faculties, is a leader in the delusion. We cannot know our own hearts, nor what they will do in an hour of temptation. Who can understand his errors? Much less can we know the hearts of others, or depend upon them. He that believes God's testimony in this matter, and learns to watch his own heart, will find this is a correct, though a sad picture, and learns many lessons to direct his conduct. But much in our own hearts and in the hearts of others, will remain unknown. Yet whatever wickedness there is in the heart, God sees it. Men may be imposed upon, but God cannot be deceived. He that gets riches, and not by right, though he may make them his hope, never shall have joy of them. This shows what vexation it is to a worldly man at death, that he must leave his riches behind; but though the wealth will not follow to another world, guilt will, and everlasting torment. The rich man takes pains to get an estate, and sits brooding upon it, but never has any satisfaction in it; by sinful courses it comes to nothing. Let us be wise in time; what we get, let us get it honestly; and what we have, use it charitably, that we may be wise for eternity.
 
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Of course. Because, like you, he lets a book do the thinking for him.

Please, when was the last time God spoke audibly to you, PC_F?


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I've noticed you make comments like this before and I notice that you carry the "Christian" icon. So I must ask on what do you base your Christianity?
 
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I still can't get past looking at this thread and thinking, 'Gaaaaaaaaaaays, I want to live forever, I want to learn how to fly...hiiiiigh, People will see me and cry, Gaaaaaay, I feel it coming together People will see me and cry GAYS ! I'm gonna make it to heaven
Light up the sky like a flame GAYS!!!!!! I'm gonna live forever Baby remember my name

RemembAH remembAH remembAH


I liked Fame too.
 
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In the fullness of time, I bet Stephen King and Harry Potter will give it a run for it's money. :)

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Note...

According to calculations from The New Yorker, Americans purchased an estimated 25 million Bibles last year.That's twice as many as the most recent Harry Potter book.

And when It's Stephen Who and What's a harry Potter, the Book will still be the most read!
 
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