Gays!!!

[brightmorningstar]

To b&wpac4,

So, my friends who were raised by someone other than their parents do not really exist?

then to whom are you referring?

Anyway I can tell you if they do exist they had a male father and a female mother.

 

[b&wpac4]

To b&wpac4,
then to whom are you referring?

Anyway I can tell you if they do exist they had a male father and a female mother.

Ok, first of all NOBODY IS DEBATING WITH YOU HOW PEOPLE REPRODUCE.

Now that that's out of the way, why do you feel that once a baby is born, the absolute only way for it to be raised by the biological parents? Why do you find it "dysfunction" to be raised by foster parents, or by relatives, or by a biological parent and a step parent?

 

[SughaNSpice]

To Psudopod,

but that’s where the big deception comes in as I said it depends what you mean by parents, same sex aren’t. But can you show how a child who is the product of a man and woman can be given a same sex couple as parents? That’s denying the child’s rights to what they actually have as parents.

Denying families are families because you choose to hate a certain set of minorities it the true malfunction

 

[SughaNSpice]

To Psudopod,
to come back on that last point, although I agree the parents have a social definition and function, same sex couples can never have a biological defintion as parents, thats the big lie and deception and why its injurous to children to have that.

Injurious? Aside from not growing up to share you prejudice what (and any child that escapes indoctrination into bigotry is a lucky child indeed) how exactly are children injured by having loving parents?

It is also damaging to society that people are unable to grasp the reality of this.

How exactly is society damaged by rejecting bigotry?

 

[Norbert L]

Ok, first of all NOBODY IS DEBATING WITH YOU HOW PEOPLE REPRODUCE.

Now that that's out of the way, why do you feel that once a baby is born, the absolute only way for it to be raised by the biological parents? Why do you find it "dysfunction" to be raised by foster parents, or by relatives, or by a biological parent and a step parent?

What is a dysfunction?

Seems there's an influence to focus on the parents mainly, but it wouldn't be too far fetched to say some kids can pretty much raise themselves while others create hell for the most responsilble of biological parents. Having said that, the real issue everyone is having, is with what kind of community standards is right for everyone?

I would imagine if time travel were doable, very few families or individuals would want to immigrate to Sparta Greece and participate in their family structure. But since it isn't possible, people are wanting to influence their present government one way or the other. In order to mold it to their imagine of a utopian society, so there's going to be debate. However not all views are represented here, the Spartan's would definitly take issue with these posts.

What about AAALLL of the people worldwide that will die and supposedly go to hell because they never heard of God because you did not witness to them? Given that 2 people die every second, it looks like you're a little behind.

Agreed, and I imagine even the Spartans would be somewhat concerned with this. But like the Spartans who disappeared, so did some early Christian beliefs from common knowledge and popularity. That of Aposcatastasis, a future resurrection of all the dead who never heard of God, those blinded by false doctrines too are resurrected back to mortal life and finally offered a period of time to live knowing the truth. It's their time of judgment.

If you Google it, it's fairly well written about and of course it would be concidered a much bigger undertaking than simply splitting the Red Sea in two. So it would have it's critics, not in the least as Christian culture goes, if someone were to argue that point, they too may be told that they'll burn in hell.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

What is a dysfunction?

Seems there's an influence to focus on the parents mainly, but it wouldn't be too far fetched to say some kids can pretty much raise themselves while others create hell for the most responsilble of biological parents. Having said that, the real issue everyone is having, is with what kind of community standards is right for everyone?

I would imagine if time travel were doable, very few families or individuals would want to immigrate to Sparta Greece and participate in their family structure. But since it isn't possible, people are wanting to influence their present government one way or the other. In order to mold it to their imagine of a utopian society, so there's going to be debate. However not all views are represented here, the Spartan's would definitly take issue with these posts.



Agreed, and I imagine even the Spartans would be somewhat concerned with this. But like the Spartans who disappeared, so did some early Christian beliefs from common knowledge and popularity. That of Aposcatastasis, a future resurrection of all the dead who never heard of God, those blinded by false doctrines too are resurrected back to mortal life and finally offered a period of time to live knowing the truth. It's their time of judgment.

If you Google it, it's fairly well written about and of course it would be concidered a much bigger undertaking than simply splitting the Red Sea in two. So it would have it's critics, not in the least as Christian culture goes, if someone were to argue that point, they too may be told that they'll burn in hell.

Just a reference for other Christians -

Aposcatastasis was condemned in the Second Council of Constantinople in 543



IX.
If anyone says or thinks that the punishment of demons and of impious men is only temporary, and will one day have an end, and that a restoration (ἀποκατάστασι&#962 will take place of demons and of impious men, let him be anathema.
Anathema to Origen and to that Adamantius, who set forth these opinions together with his nefarious and execrable and wicked doctrine and to whomsoever there is who thinks thus, or defends these opinions, or in any way hereafter at any time shall presume to protect them.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf214.xii.x.html

 

[Norbert L]

Just a reference for other Christians -

Aposcatastasis was condemned in the Second Council of Constantinople in 543

Christian History is also a very persuasive tool, to show that the ideal of a common 'Sola Scriptura' has not been reached. With the abundance of knowledge now available to the common man, it leaves people wondering.

Why did it take 500 years to make such a decision? Who made it and why should I agree?

In the kingdoms of today's world, where numerous governments have given the individual the totality of free thought, Iraneus would have had a field day having his writings extend far beyond what he penned in "Against the Heresies".

Frankly at this time more than ever before, a person could make the case, that through these earthly kingdoms we find ourself living in, God is once more allowing the individual "to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" and to search "the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so". An unprecidented period of time that allows for an approach ideally suited for an individual's pursuite of Sola Scriptura's happiness.

The pages of opposing doctrines are readily available online where one person's heresy is another's truth. Where those teachings clash and both sides claim....

As Eubius records St. Polycrates use of Sola Scriptura about what is historically known as the Quartodeciman controversy:

"For those greater than I have said 'We ought to obey God rather than man'." (Church History (Eusebius) > Book V,
Chpt 24, v. 7. newadvent.org)

Where yet another council, the Council of Nicæa (325) lays a foundation oppossed to the pro-Jewish paschal date stance taken by St. Polycrates, recorded as well with St. Polycarp too. But somehow in religious circles, those who's doctrinal progression claim an anscestry from those councils, we still find both men referred to and acknowledged as Saints. Yet others who try and take the same doctrinal stance on passover espoused by those men today....

Take a look, a Catholic Encyclopedia's comments surrounding the original issue within the Christian world. It's an interesting read, ht....newadvent.org/cathen/05228a.htm

A though provoking situation to say the least. I'd say we're in a prime time to "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling", where another man's or some alledged authorative council sancitioned from heaven decision for you is dramatically reduced. To the point where an attempt to impose and force a doctrine on another person is limited mostly to the expression of "burn in hell".