Gays!!!

[Garyzenuf]

I still can't get past looking at this thread and thinking, 'Gaaaaaaaaaaays, I want to live forever, I want to learn how to fly...hiiiiigh, People will see me and cry, Gaaaaaay, I feel it coming together People will see me and cry GAYS ! I'm gonna make it to heaven
Light up the sky like a flame GAYS!!!!!! I'm gonna live forever Baby remember my name

RemembAH remembAH remembAH

Sort of gets your toes tapping doesn't it?

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[Beanieboy]

The title just looks so.......excited

 

[KCKID]

Well I do have a bachelors in engineering (GaTech) and a masters and PhD in historiccal theology (Dallas and Westminster Seminaries) so my acceptance of the Bible as authoritative was not a mindless choice.

Maybe not. But it DOES require loads of faith which CAN become rather 'mindless' when a belief is taken to extremes. I have a Batchelors in Social Science. But all the degrees in the world will not prove a supernatural being to the world, will it? I'm not saying that there is no God. In fact, I DO believe in a Creator. I'm just saying that I'm uncertain - as you ALSO cannot be certain - that the God of the 'words of the Bible' IS this Creator God. In other words, you rely on the ONLY source as the PRIMARY source for your belief.

As for those who are 'gay' for no other reason than 'they are', your use of the Bible to condemn these people is totally unjustified. You CANNOT be speaking for a divine Being simply because you're read a book. Is that fair enough reasoning on my part? Feel free to correct me if you need to.

And it is the most read best selling book of all human history.

That may be so. But, there are thousands of 'best selling' books on all manner of topics and issues. But, we're not expected to make a religious icon out of them and use them to dictate 'morality' and 'judgment' and preach 'be saved or otherwise face eternal damnation' to others simply because they sold well, are we?

 

[drstevej]

You are might sure in telling me what I think and how I arrived at it.

 

[Garyzenuf]

And when It's Stephen Who and What's a harry Potter...

Funny you don't remember, seeing your "note" just named him.

...the Book will still be the most read!

...and least believed. Anyway, when did popularity become fact?

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[kiwimac]

There is nothing, nada, zip, zilch in the Bible regarding Gay Marriage. Arguably the bible does mention same-sex activity but always (I would argue) within a context of Temple Prostitution. However, it must be asked why any Christian would argue for the Levitical laws when Paul avers that Christ did away with such laws?

I assume it is simply fear of the different.

 

[drstevej]

There is nothing, nada, zip, zilch in the Bible regarding Gay Marriage. Arguably the bible does mention same-sex activity but always (I would argue) within a context of Temple Prostitution. However, it must be asked why any Christian would argue for the Levitical laws when Paul avers that Christ did away with such laws?

I assume it is simply fear of the different.

not romans 1

Jesus speaks of a man and a woman becoming one flesh as God's design

Believers are the Bride of Christ, not His groom.

I assume it is simply fear of the different.

Balderdash.

 

[Garyzenuf]

Jesus speaks of a man and a woman becoming one flesh as God's design

Maybe He was just speaking out against in vitro fertilzation?

Balderdash.

Ya, you're probably right.

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[KCKID]

Of course. Because, like you, he lets a book do the thinking for him.

Please, when was the last time God spoke audibly to you, PC_F?

KCKID
I've noticed you make comments like this before and I notice that you carry the "Christian" icon. So I must ask on what do you base your Christianity?

On what 'set of rules' SHOULD one base their Christianity? Is Christianity a club for the righteous? One might be forgiven for believing this as they read some of the posts on this forum.

I base my Christianity these days on 'gut feeling' more so than absorbing myself in mere 'words' from the Bible. I can't be bothered for the most part with 'traditional' Christianity. It SO bores me. The same with saturating myself in ancient scriptures that hardly address the situations and issues that we face today. If that's 'wrong' in your mind then it's wrong and I can't do anything about that. However, the more I read some of the posts from such as - well, I won't mention names - the more my 'gut feeling' tells me that these folks have little 'heart knowledge' as to what Christianity is really all about. Somewhere on the road to attaining whatever it is they hope to attain they reach a point of becoming self-righteous. And, THIS can, and often is, dangerous since they see themselves in a lofty and powerful position. It's ALL in their minds, I quickly add.

I'm not exactly a 'fan' of the biblical God. But I DO admire and have a good 'gut feeling' about Jesus. Yep, feeling! I realize that 'feelings' are pretty well a 'no-no' with some of the rather militant Christians. I mean, we mustn't let our feelings get in the way of some good 'fire and brimstone' preaching! Whether Jesus and God are one and the same I don't much care. I also can't know how accurate the Bible is in regard to its account of Jesus; however, I CHOOSE to accept Jesus and the 'love' concept of (Christ)ianity in its ideal form. As said, it's a 'heart' thing. Sitting in a pew every week, listening to a sermon, singing a few songs, condemning those I don't like in the guize that I'm speaking for God, going home and feeling 'holy', doesn't cut it for me.

Ideal Christianity doesn't come from preaching harsh words to others from the pages of a book ...and, YES, the Bible IS a book whether one desires to make a religious icon out of it or not. It seems (to me) that the whole purpose of some on this forum is to zap others with lightning bolts (from their version of God) from their lofty self-righteous perch. If THIS is an example of Christianity then that's enough for me to denounce such 'Christianity' while still referring to myself as a 'Christian'.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

not romans 1

Jesus speaks of a man and a woman becoming one flesh as God's design

Believers are the Bride of Christ, not His groom.



Balderdash.

Hirsuterdash, the bible is not a basis for secular laws.

 

[KCKID]

You are might sure in telling me what I think and how I arrived at it.

If the above is intended for me then I DID suggest that you correct me if I'm wrong. I could be. When it comes to issues such as God and the supernatural I don't profess to be an all-knowing oracle. Nor should you.

 

[stekaya]

The strongest emotions - passion, love, hatred - all come from the heart. And if we can agree that the Holy Spirit resides in us (inducing in us, at times, passion and love), why would the Heart be deceitful? It seems rather silly for God to give his creation an inherently faulty tool, especially one that accounts for a large part of what it means to be human. By not relying on our heart, we revert back to sensory input and reasoning as our only means of problem solving; this barely elevates us above sentience. What makes us truly human, if not the heart?

Furthermore, the United States was intended to be established as a republic - not a theocracy. It is fully God's authority to dictate moral law - however we may interpret it is a different argument entirely - but temporal law should rest solely in the hands of humans. Likewise, what the Church considers a legitimate marriage should rest solely in the hands of the Church, but the Church has overstepped when it interferes with temporal law and, by extension, what defines a marriage.

 

[drstevej]

Hirsuterdash, the bible is not a basis for secular laws.

HairClubforMendash, the Bible has been a basis for secular law in England and Colonial America. Perhaps you mean it should not be the basis. And in that case in the USA all you have to do is elect enough folks who share your opinion.

 

[drstevej]

If the above is intended for me then I DID suggest that you correct me if I'm wrong. I could be. When it comes to issues such as God and the supernatural I don't profess to be an all-knowing oracle. Nor should you.

Never professed such knowledge. Would prefer you not misstate my views and then leave it to me to correct the record. Ask my views if you want to know.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

The strongest emotions - passion, love, hatred - all come from the heart. And if we can agree that the Holy Spirit resides in us (inducing in us, at times, passion and love), why would the Heart be deceitful? It seems rather silly for God to give his creation an inherently faulty tool, especially one that accounts for a large part of what it means to be human. By not relying on our heart, we revert back to sensory input and reasoning as our only means of problem solving; this barely elevates us above sentience. What makes us truly human, if not the heart?

Furthermore, the United States was intended to be established as a republic - not a theocracy. It is fully God's authority to dictate moral law - however we may interpret it is a different argument entirely - but temporal law should rest solely in the hands of humans. Likewise, what the Church considers a legitimate marriage should rest solely in the hands of the Church, but the Church has overstepped when it interferes with temporal law and, by extension, what defines a marriage.

Again:

"The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? - Jeremiah 17:9

He who trusts in his own heart is a fool, But he who walks wisely will be delivered. - Proverbs 28:26


From the sole of the foot even to the head There is nothing sound in it, Only bruises, welts and raw wounds, Not pressed out or bandaged, Nor softened with oil - Isaiah 1:6


There is no soundness in my flesh because of Your indignation; There is no health in my bones because of my sin - Psalm 38:3



Next time think of those verses when you only let your "heart" do the thinking for you...


The character of a fool: He trusts to his own heart, to his own wisdom and counsels, his own strength and sufficiency, his own merit and righteousness, and the good opinion he has of himself; he that does so is a fool, for he trusts to that, not only which is deceitful above all things (Jer. 17:9), but which has often deceived him. This implies that it is the character of a wise man (as before, v. 25) to put his trust in the Lord, and in his power and promise, and to follow his guidance, Prov. 3:5, 6. 2. The comfort of a wise man: He that walks wisely, that trusts not to his own heart, but is humble and self-diffident(which is pretty much the opposite of many of the posts here), and goes on in the strength of the Lord God, he shall be delivered; when the fool, that trusts in his own heart, shall be destroyed.



If you trust what your own heart says then you are following your heart rather than God. You are trusting other peoples opinions, as well as your own counsel. The heart is decietfully wicked because of the stain of original sin, which inhibits us from thinking purely the things of God.

So for all the people who think its sufficient to say "well I KNOW it because my heart tells me so" or "well that may be your God, by MY God dosen't do that", are simply just personal errored counsels of your own heart. And if you follow your heart then you are a fool, considering a persons heart can change in a dime whenever troubles, greed, lust, or desires come ones way.

 

[Beanieboy]

Interesting that people claim that one should never listen to your heart, and in the same breath, claim that they invited Jesus into their heart. It explains a lot....

 

[drstevej]

Interesting that people claim that one should never listen to your heart, and in the same breath, claim that they invited Jesus into their heart. It explains a lot....

The expression "inviting Jesus into your heart" is not biblical.

 

[Beanieboy]

The expression "inviting Jesus into your heart" is not biblical.

My understanding of "accepting Jesus/God" whomever is to simply acknowledge that God is a part of us.

There is a part of me that says, "Beanie, hold on. Take a breath. Read that again. Is that really what you want to say? Isn't that harsh? Isn't what you are saying done out of spite, rather than to edify?" And I look, and I think, yeah, you're right...grumble grumble...and hit the delete key.

That's not me. That's God. I know that's God.

And I know the difference between what I want, and what God wants, when what I want, even if the desire is great, is not loving.

I wholehearted agree that you are not saved by saying a prayer!!!! You don't invite Jesus into your heart, in the way we think of it, and in doing so, save yourself. You simply acknowledge God's presence that has always been in it. You can squash the voice by being cruel and not caring, not unlike the way gymnasts or dancers build up callouses. Or you can nurture it, and become more in tune with it, hear it more clearly.

But there are so many Christians who look up at the clouds, saying, "God??? Are you there????" as if God went bowling on Neptune, and isn't everywhere all the time. God is a part of your very soul, knows your thoughts, knows you better than you know yourself, as much a part of you as your very breath, and pulsing blood. It's what Buddhists mean when they say that if you see the Buddha pass you on your path, kill him. The Buddha isn't outside. It's inside and outside. You are the Buddha, and everything around you the Buddha. If you think The Buddha is outside of you only, and you are not the Buddha, you don't understand.

Change Buddha with God and I believe that it is the same concept.

So, when people say that their heart is evil, I wonder who it is that lives within them. If we are temples for the HS, how is it that evil lives inside and God lives outside?

That is why we say "Namaste": I bow to the God within you.

 

[No Swansong]

On what 'set of rules' SHOULD one base their Christianity? Is Christianity a club for the righteous? One might be forgiven for believing this as they read some of the posts on this forum.

I base my Christianity these days on 'gut feeling' more so than absorbing myself in mere 'words' from the Bible. I can't be bothered for the most part with 'traditional' Christianity. It SO bores me. The same with saturating myself in ancient scriptures that hardly address the situations and issues that we face today. If that's 'wrong' in your mind then it's wrong and I can't do anything about that. However, the more I read some of the posts from such as - well, I won't mention names - the more my 'gut feeling' tells me that these folks have little 'heart knowledge' as to what Christianity is really all about. Somewhere on the road to attaining whatever it is they hope to attain they reach a point of becoming self-righteous. And, THIS can, and often is, dangerous since they see themselves in a lofty and powerful position. It's ALL in their minds, I quickly add.

I'm not exactly a 'fan' of the biblical God. But I DO admire and have a good 'gut feeling' about Jesus. Yep, feeling! I realize that 'feelings' are pretty well a 'no-no' with some of the rather militant Christians. I mean, we mustn't let our feelings get in the way of some good 'fire and brimstone' preaching! Whether Jesus and God are one and the same I don't much care. I also can't know how accurate the Bible is in regard to its account of Jesus; however, I CHOOSE to accept Jesus and the 'love' concept of (Christ)ianity in its ideal form. As said, it's a 'heart' thing. Sitting in a pew every week, listening to a sermon, singing a few songs, condemning those I don't like in the guize that I'm speaking for God, going home and feeling 'holy', doesn't cut it for me.

Ideal Christianity doesn't come from preaching harsh words to others from the pages of a book ...and, YES, the Bible IS a book whether one desires to make a religious icon out of it or not. It seems (to me) that the whole purpose of some on this forum is to zap others with lightning bolts (from their version of God) from their lofty self-righteous perch. If THIS is an example of Christianity then that's enough for me to denounce such 'Christianity' while still referring to myself as a 'Christian'.

So although you fully admit that you do not qualify as a Christian in any traditional or scriptural manner you call yourself a Christian simply because you want to. Ok at least I understand now, there will be no confusion in the future.

Thank you for answering.

 

[Beanieboy]

I'm sorry, but my "inner child" can't resist. Everytime I see the OP title, it's like:

YAHTZEEEEE!!!!!!!!! It makes me laugh every time I see it.
I'm easily amused.