Gays!!!

[Polycarp_fan]

The basic argument is:

"Well I know all those bad things are happening, but see, everyone KNOWS they're bad so it's okay to just ignore them!"

You must still be in school.
Or you're a liberal/progressive/leftist/etc., etc., etc..

The usual suspects.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

"We need to show the world when one thing happens to one of us, it happens to all of us," she said.



Gay rights rallies nationwide over Calif. ban


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081115/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage;_ylt=AuQ6ZrqDvVDX3B1JtdQfjjdv24cA
By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press Writer Jay Lindsay, Associated Press Writer 16 mins ago
BOSTON – Gay rights supporters waving rainbow colors marched, chanted and danced in cities coast to coast Saturday to protest the California vote that banned gay marriage there and urge supporters not to quit the fight for the right to wed.
Many cast it as a civil rights issue.

Crowds gathered near public buildings in small communities and major cities including New York, San Francisco and Chicago to vent their frustrations, celebrate gay relationships and renew calls for change.

"Civil marriages are a civil right, and we're going to keep fighting until we get the rights we deserve as American citizens," Karen Amico said in Philadelphia, holding up a sign reading "Don't Spread H8".

"We are the American family, we live next door to you, we teach your children, we take care of your elderly," said Heather Baker a special education teacher from Boston who addressed the crowd at Boston's City Hall Plaza. "We need equal rights across the country."

Massachusetts and Connecticut, which began same sex weddings this past week, are the only two states that allow gay marriage. All 30 states that have voted on gay marriage have enacted bans.

Protests following the vote on Proposition 8 in California, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman, have sometimes been angry and even violent, and demonstrators have targeted faiths that supported the ban, including the Mormon church.
However, representatives of Join the Impact, which organized Saturday's demonstrations, asked supporters to be respectful and refrain from attacking other groups during the rallies.

Seattle blogger Amy Balliett, who started the planning for the protests when she set up a Web page three days after the California vote, said persuasion is impossible without civility.

"If we can move anybody past anger and have a respectful conversation, then you can plant the seed of change," she said.
Balliett said supporters in 300 cities in the U.S. and other countries were holding marches, and she estimated 1 million people would participate, based on responses at the Web sites her group set up.

"We need to show the world when one thing happens to one of us, it happens to all of us," she said.

The protests were widely reported to be peaceful and the mood in Boston was generally upbeat, with attendees dancing to the song "Respect." Signs cast the fight for gay marriage as the new civil rights movement, including one that read "Gay is the new black."

But anger over the ban and its backers was evident at the protests.

One sign in Chicago read: "Catholic Fascists Stay Out of Politics."

"I just found out that my state doesn't really think I'm a person," said Rose Aplustill, 21, a Boston University student from Los Osos, Calif., who was one of thousands at the Boston rally.

In San Francisco demonstrators took shots at some religious groups that supported the ban, including a sign aimed at the Mormon church and its abandoned practice of polygamy that read: "You have three wives; I want one husband."

Chris Norberg, who married his partner in June, also referred to the racial divisions that arose after exit polls found that majorities of blacks and Hispanics supported the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

"They voted against us," Norberg said.

Demonstrators in Washington marched from the U.S. Capitol through the city carrying signs and chanting "One, two, three, four, love is what we're fighting for!"

A public plaza at the foot of New York's Brooklyn Bridge was packed by a cheering crowd, including people who waved rainbow flags and wore pink buttons that said "I do."

Protests were low-key in North Dakota, where people lined a bridge in Fargo carrying signs and flags.

Mike Bernard, who was in the crowd at City Hall in Baltimore, said Proposition 8 could end up being a good thing for gay rights advocates.

"It was a swift kick in the rear end," he said.

In Chicago, Keith Smith, 42, a postal worker, and his partner, Terry Romo, 34, a Wal-Mart store manager, had photos of their wedding ceremony which they held even though gay marriage is not legal in Illinois. "We're not going to wait for no law," Smith said. "But time's going to be on our side and it's going to change."

 

[OphidiaPhile]

"We need to show the world when one thing happens to one of us, it happens to all of us," she said.



Gay rights rallies nationwide over Calif. ban


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081115/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage;_ylt=AuQ6ZrqDvVDX3B1JtdQfjjdv24cA
By JAY LINDSAY, Associated Press Writer Jay Lindsay, Associated Press Writer 16 mins ago
BOSTON – Gay rights supporters waving rainbow colors marched, chanted and danced in cities coast to coast Saturday to protest the California vote that banned gay marriage there and urge supporters not to quit the fight for the right to wed.
Many cast it as a civil rights issue.

Crowds gathered near public buildings in small communities and major cities including New York, San Francisco and Chicago to vent their frustrations, celebrate gay relationships and renew calls for change.

"Civil marriages are a civil right, and we're going to keep fighting until we get the rights we deserve as American citizens," Karen Amico said in Philadelphia, holding up a sign reading "Don't Spread H8".

"We are the American family, we live next door to you, we teach your children, we take care of your elderly," said Heather Baker a special education teacher from Boston who addressed the crowd at Boston's City Hall Plaza. "We need equal rights across the country."

Massachusetts and Connecticut, which began same sex weddings this past week, are the only two states that allow gay marriage. All 30 states that have voted on gay marriage have enacted bans.

Protests following the vote on Proposition 8 in California, which defined marriage as between a man and a woman, have sometimes been angry and even violent, and demonstrators have targeted faiths that supported the ban, including the Mormon church.
However, representatives of Join the Impact, which organized Saturday's demonstrations, asked supporters to be respectful and refrain from attacking other groups during the rallies.

Seattle blogger Amy Balliett, who started the planning for the protests when she set up a Web page three days after the California vote, said persuasion is impossible without civility.

"If we can move anybody past anger and have a respectful conversation, then you can plant the seed of change," she said.
Balliett said supporters in 300 cities in the U.S. and other countries were holding marches, and she estimated 1 million people would participate, based on responses at the Web sites her group set up.

"We need to show the world when one thing happens to one of us, it happens to all of us," she said.

The protests were widely reported to be peaceful and the mood in Boston was generally upbeat, with attendees dancing to the song "Respect." Signs cast the fight for gay marriage as the new civil rights movement, including one that read "Gay is the new black."

But anger over the ban and its backers was evident at the protests.

One sign in Chicago read: "Catholic Fascists Stay Out of Politics."

"I just found out that my state doesn't really think I'm a person," said Rose Aplustill, 21, a Boston University student from Los Osos, Calif., who was one of thousands at the Boston rally.

In San Francisco demonstrators took shots at some religious groups that supported the ban, including a sign aimed at the Mormon church and its abandoned practice of polygamy that read: "You have three wives; I want one husband."

Chris Norberg, who married his partner in June, also referred to the racial divisions that arose after exit polls found that majorities of blacks and Hispanics supported the constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

"They voted against us," Norberg said.

Demonstrators in Washington marched from the U.S. Capitol through the city carrying signs and chanting "One, two, three, four, love is what we're fighting for!"

A public plaza at the foot of New York's Brooklyn Bridge was packed by a cheering crowd, including people who waved rainbow flags and wore pink buttons that said "I do."

Protests were low-key in North Dakota, where people lined a bridge in Fargo carrying signs and flags.

Mike Bernard, who was in the crowd at City Hall in Baltimore, said Proposition 8 could end up being a good thing for gay rights advocates.

"It was a swift kick in the rear end," he said.

In Chicago, Keith Smith, 42, a postal worker, and his partner, Terry Romo, 34, a Wal-Mart store manager, had photos of their wedding ceremony which they held even though gay marriage is not legal in Illinois. "We're not going to wait for no law," Smith said. "But time's going to be on our side and it's going to change."

Sounds like they are doing the right thing and showing that they will not stand for oppression.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Where's my copyright check?

You register it at the same place you trademarked "moral".

The promotion of all sorts of nasty things.

That actually explains your mindset:

It's icky.
It's nasty
Therefore, if more of it happens, we'd have moar icky/nasty things.
Therefore, less gay marriages directly leads to less icky/nasty things.


So just what are these icky/nasty things which are oh so detrimental to society?

"Homosexuality was rife in ancient armies . . . Xenophon was strongly opposed to it and argued that it would only corrupt troops rather than raise their morale."

http://books.google.com/books?id=ro...=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA39,M1

Xenophon's only beef was with those regiments who enlisted only homosexuals. It's as arbitrary as the US' modern armies: omitting good fighters for archaic religio-political history.

But yeah, I ask you again: what's your point?

(Remember that you're trying to argue that the Greek and Roman empires fell because of their acceptance of homosexuality. That you've cited a single indirect reference to a single ancient Greek military commander's reluctance to enlist homosexuals... well, that doesn't quite cut the proverbial mustard, does it?)

Immorality is a social carcinogen.

How colourful. Would you like to answer the question?

One just has to view schools of today for the answer.

No, Polycarp_fan. No dodging of the question.

"Why did their acceptance of homosexuality lead to their downfall?"

Remember, we're talking about the Greek and Roman empires.

Schism is a healthy thing when eliminating liars and false prophets from the mix.

Sure: it's called 'survival of fittest' (or thereabouts).

But, thing is, that's not what's happening with Christianity. The previous instances are as alive and well as the splinters.

I do love how you consider schisms to be 'healthy' .

Yet my offerings are reality.

Perhaps they are, perhaps they're not. Can you show which? Oh, and leave your scorn at the doorstep: I, along with every other sceptic, would LOVE such a demonstration. I mean, who wouldn't like an all-loving sky-daddy who listen to and obeyed our every prayer (Matthew 7:7 coupled with John 15:16)?

I like how you've gone wildly off-topic, and then off-topic again and almost hit the original topic. Only you.

 

[truthshift]

It's time to cut this thread off, I think. When the opposing sides of an argument argue in their own parameters, there can be no solution.

 

[cantata]

Polycarp_fan PMed me that article, presumably because he thinks it's evidence of that universal queerliberalatheist conspiracy he talks about so much. Of course, the fact that "an estimated 1 million" people were going to march, and there are probably around 700 million gay people in the world (not to mention plenty of bisexual, asexual, and transsexual people, and countless heterosexual liberals and atheists as well), won't be of any interest to him at all.

 

[morningstar2651]

What have you done to help the poor?
What have you done to help the homeless?
What have you done to reduce violent crime?
What have you done to cure cancer?
What have you done to cure AIDS?
What have you done to give homes to orphans?
What have you done to reduce the number of wars?

I voted Yes on Prop 8

Could you elaborate on how Prop 8 fixes all these?

I'm still waiting. At a loss for words, PCF?

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Immorality? What's immorality got to do with same-sex marriage?

Pretty much everything in all regards

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Pretty much everything in all regards

But you have no right to define someone elses morality, I only have to live by my morals yours do not matter in the least to me.

 

[seashale76]

But you have no right to define someone elses morality, I only have to live by my morals yours do not matter in the least to me.

I understand what you're saying here, but let's take this idea to its logical conclusion. Someone else's definition of morality might include imposing that morality on other people. When it comes to moral relativism, anything goes really. Moral relativists can't tell others whose morality may differ from their own that what they're doing is wrong and/or evil, because wrong and/or evil (per se) doesn't exist.

 

[Andreusz]

Pretty much everything in all regards

Would you mind giving us a list? I am really interested to see what you regard as immoral about gay marriage.

 

[truthshift]

Would you mind giving us a list? I am really interested to see what you regard as immoral about gay marriage.

I'd like to see that list as well.

 

[corvus_corax]

I'd like to see that list as well.

Heck, Id just like to see the following actually addressed

What have you done to help the poor?
What have you done to help the homeless?
What have you done to reduce violent crime?
What have you done to cure cancer?
What have you done to cure AIDS?
What have you done to give homes to orphans?
What have you done to reduce the number of wars?

I voted Yes on Prop 8

Could you elaborate on how Prop 8 fixes all these?

I'm still waiting. At a loss for words, PCF?

Dont hold your breath morningstar...You've brought this to his attention how many times now?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Where's my copyright check?

In the mail.

The promotion of all sorts of nasty things.

I don't suppose you could give examples?

"Homosexuality was rife in ancient armies . . . Xenophon was strongly opposed to it and argued that it would only corrupt troops rather than raise their morale."

http://books.google.com/books?id=ro...=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA39,M1

Fair enough. But what does Xenophon's beliefs on homosexuals openly serving in the military have to do with the fall of the Greek and Roman

Immorality is a social carcinogen.

Well, yes: that's why we strive to minimise immorality. But you still haven't explained why homosexuals, homosexual soldiers, same-sex sex, same-sex couples, and/or same-sex marriage (or the legalisation thereof) should be considered immoral.

Indeed, if immorality is a social carcinogen, then the fact that homosexuality isn't a carcinogen should be proof enough that it isn't immoral!

One just has to view schools of today for the answer.

No, Polycarp. Don't hand-wave and dodge your way out of answering the difficult questions. What, specifically, does homosexuality have to do with the fall of the Greek and Roman empires?

If you don't know, then why bleat on about it? If you do, why not just come out and say it?

And, for Heaven's sake, what do modern schools have to do with anything? They're hardly intercontinental empires on the verge of collapse.

Schism is a healthy thing when eliminating liars and false prophets from the mix.

Not when both sides accuse the other of being the liars.

Actually, that wouldn't be so bad, except neither side actually back up their claims.

Yet my offerings are reality.

Careful, you're beginning to sound like Jesus. Touting yourself as the Lord, are you?

 

[Beanieboy]

oops

 

[KCKID]

If sex is not meant to be pleasurable then why is the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] external and not stimulated during intercourse and easiest stimulated during oral sex or why are there pressure points in the anus that increase the climax?

I agree, OphidiaPhile. I'm just trying to make a point to PC_F that sexual attraction (perhaps leading to the act of sex) need not merely be a male/female thing in order to be 'normal'. Sexual attraction is simply sexual attraction ...whatever the gender. Furthermore, sexual attraction is not and cannot be a sin as PC_F and others so desperately want to make it out to be. If male/male or female/female recreational sex is wrong then so too is heterosexual recreational sex. That's the point that I'm making. I don't actually believe what I wrote.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I agree, OphidiaPhile. I'm just trying to make a point to PC_F that sexual attraction (perhaps leading to the act of sex) need not merely be a male/female thing in order to be 'normal'. Sexual attraction is simply sexual attraction ...whatever the gender. Furthermore, sexual attraction is not and cannot be a sin as PC_F and others so desperately want to make it out to be. If male/male or female/female recreational sex is wrong then so too is heterosexual recreational sex. That's the point that I'm making. I don't actually believe what I wrote.

#91

It's still waiting for your reply.

Other than that, selling gay sex in a PC wrapper isn't working anymore.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Heck, Id just like to see the following actually addressed

What have you done to help the poor?
What have you done to help the homeless?
What have you done to reduce violent crime?
What have you done to cure cancer?
What have you done to cure AIDS?
What have you done to give homes to orphans?
What have you done to reduce the number of wars?

I voted Yes on Prop 8

Could you elaborate on how Prop 8 fixes all these?
Dont hold your breath morningstar...You've brought this to his attention how many times now?

I have answered this many times:

What have you done to help the poor?
What have you done to help the homeless?
What have you done to reduce violent crime?
What have you done to cure cancer?
What have you done to cure AIDS?
What have you done to give homes to orphans?
What have you done to reduce the number of wars?

Follow the Apostolic teachings.

With the exception of cancer, though, one would have to say: Follow the Apostolic teachings BY being an honest reasearcher. And AIDS is 100% PREVENTABLE, so no need for a cure, by "Following the Apostolic teachings."

Everything mentioned above was handled by the Apostles.

Duh.

I'm sure Einstein used that word in the same way.

That's all you guys got?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Is it right to label others "sinner"?

oops

According to the message of the New Testament YES.

Who else do you call to repent?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

#91

It's still waiting for your reply.

Other than that, selling gay sex in a PC wrapper isn't working anymore.

BUMP

KCKID????