Gays!!!

[Polycarp_fan]

So?

No doubt? What makes you so sure? Of those countries and states that have legalised same-sex marriage, there is absolutely no correlating increase in, ahem, decadence and hedonism (explosive or otherwise).

Once immorality is championed, we are not going to get news from the bad side anymore.

And, I think you missed out a word; lascivious licentious... what? Chickens?

I never miss the point of what the lascivious licentiousness represents. My opposition knows that well enough. I never came here to make friends.

OK, let's compare:

"Same-gender marriage is very new on the stage of history."

"History is repeating itself. The bad version."

So is history repeating itself, or is there no history to repeat?

Noah's neighbors and Lot's neighbors are making a comeback. I've said this before. Greece and Rome had same-gender marriage and throughout history the decadent rise to influence only to have the populace drive it back to where it belongs. Hollywood and San Francisco does not play out in moral America.

Once children are harvested, decent parents throughout time have risien up against their oppressors and predators, and we are witnessing the beginnings of this once again. The Obama era will be marked with ten-times the disunity that the Bush administration wrought onto society. The Left, which I have accurately described, is emboldened by what they see as a green light to inflict european immorality and secularism onto Americans. They will be shown how wrong their aspirations are once again. America is not europe and never will be.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I agree partly, there are alot of more important things in the world to be concerned about than immoral sexual activity. Although the bible does say we must reprove and rebuke, we must also show compassion and help towards others.

Paul's warnings are to be heeded though. "God gave them up," is a harsh observation, but it is not an inaccurate one. There is no way to get an out of control person to grasp morality by asking them politely. Not even medicating them is working.

At times it can be hard to balace both out without going too far on one end side of the spectrum. Personally I think homosexuality wouldn't have been such a big issue today until they started meddling in marriage and using their bully pulpit, the ACLU to give them special rights.

This is history repeating itself. Forgotten and the results are certain. Remember Nero was this type of person. Christians will not be tolerated no matter what way they ask the licentious to curb their insatiable desires. Look, even democracy is not working. These people just get their judges to rule over the populace.

Many people do not like what the gay community is trying to do with marriage, and in reality they have no buisness and right to meddle in things like marriage, its not their sacrament and they don't have that authority.

This was inevitable.

Personally, I breaks my heart to see some people such slaves to lust and sex while being so angry with God. We need to reach out to them for conversion.

Is that what is recommend by the Apostles? In some cases yes, but in others we are not to be polluted by the world, even as we are helping others.

 

[morningstar2651]

[/INDENT]




I voted Yes on Prop 8




-----Voting is still legal for Christians.

What have you done to help the poor?
What have you done to help the homeless?
What have you done to reduce violent crime?
What have you done to cure cancer?
What have you done to cure AIDS?
What have you done to give homes to orphans?
What have you done to reduce the number of wars?

Could you elaborate on how Prop 8 fixes all these?

 

[truthshift]

People like to feel like they did something good, but they don't like thinking about uncomfortable things or actually doing something that might leave them worse off...in other words -- it's easy to criticize our neighbors as long as we don't have to improve ourselves.

Ever read Anton LeVay? He talks about good-guy badges. They're like a boy-scout's merit badges.



The easiest way to earn a good-guy badge is to create a bad guy and oppose them. Hence the gays are the "bad guys" and those that oppose them are the "good guys" simply because they oppose their "bad guys".

No, I haven't had much of a chance to read much lately. I have not heard of this person actually, I will look into it.

Yes, I believe that to be truth. It's much like the war on drugs on the homefront. By creating a common enemy for the public (drugs) you can unite a populace and have them make a stand against something that will distract them from the major and more disturbing issues.

 

[truthshift]

Going back to the OP...

What have you done to help the poor?
What have you done to help the homeless?
What have you done to reduce violent crime?
What have you done to cure cancer?
What have you done to cure AIDS?
What have you done to give homes to orphans?
What have you done to reduce the number of wars?

Why should anyone care what you oppose if you don't do something to help these people?

See also:
Matthew 25:34-40

I'm certainly not going to lie. I haven't done much to help many people. I have my responsibilities as we all do. The entire point of the thread is that christians are so heavely devoted to their convictions but it would appear that the focus on only a few particular issues.

I serious mis-allocation of time, money, energy, or whatever. I question whether there are ulterior motives regarding this focused energy spent on the the 4% of the population that's just trying to gain basic constitutional rights.

 

[allhart]

It's a civil rights issue. America is set up as such so that the rights of minorities are, or should be, protected. If you don't like that system, don't blame the GLBTQ people and their allies. All they want to do is have the right to marry the person they love-to have it recognized by secular law, law which is not to be dictated by religious beliefs, as per the First Amendment. I believe it was Jesus who was supposed to have said, 'Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.' The churches, synagogues, mosques, and temples are free to have their marriages, and discriminate as God sees fit, as they 'belong to God,' as it were, but civil marriage belongs to Caesar (just as other government institutions do, like public schools, for instance).

I am Caesar. For I am the Government. For the people by the people.and yes on measure 8 in California was voted in by the people

 

[Andreusz]

Many people do not like what the gay community is trying to do with marriage, and in reality they have no buisness and right to meddle in things like marriage, its not their sacrament and they don't have that authority.

Civil marriage has existed for many years, and is in no way a sacrament. Why doesn't this bother you?

 

[allhart]

I think this is the problem. What does it say in Romans 1? That homosexuality is just the first step in hating an almighty God that's what.
If gay dudes can stop their hostilities we can all get along but they won't.

GGod’s Wrath on Unrighteousness


18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice the mood

Great Quote maybe they want to read. Really you can't say much more.

 

[KCKID]

Personally, I breaks my heart to see some people such slaves to lust and sex while being so angry with God. We need to reach out to them for conversion.

I think this is the problem. What does it say in Romans 1? That homosexuality is just the first step in hating an almighty God that's what.
If gay dudes can stop their hostilities we can all get along but they won't.

You've got it backwards, friend. God (nor Jesus) has said NOT A WORD of condemnation toward the homosexual so why would they assume to hate God? It's what professed CHRISTIANS have done with THEIR version of 'the word of God' that just might be responsible for any animosity toward THEM by homosexuals. GOD is not the issue here. Professed Christians ARE. Homosexuals have no reason to have a beef with God.

Furthermore, I would ask any professed Christian to step forward and relate to we on the forum when they last heard an AUDIBLE message from God pertaining to homosexuality ...with proof, of course. Misinterpreted and biased scriptures just don't cut it with me any more.

 

[Andreusz]

GGod’s Wrath on Unrighteousness


18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.

As has frequently been pointed out, there is a lot of distortion of the truth by the "righteous" posters in these threads.

 

[SouthernPlanter]

The Bible teaches against homosexuality, it just seems baseless to claim you're Christian but then tolerate such a wicked practice.

 

[KCKID]

GGod’s Wrath on Unrighteousness


18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice the mood

Great Quote maybe they want to read. Really you can't say much more.

Well, that's quite a list. While I can be quite foolish at times - and therefore one of the 'guilty' ones on the list - it's a pity that it has nothing to do with the issue of the thread topic. Still, it DOES bring home the sobering thought that heaven will be a fairly boring place with only you, Funny Fundie, and Polycarp_fan in it.

 

[Axioma]

Barriers fall and some are pushed over.

It is for concerned citizens to be thoughful as to the consequences long before it happens.

What barrier do you imagine will be pushed over? The one about letting dogs sign legally binding contracts, or the one about forcing people to marry gays?

 

[allhart]

Well, that's quite a list. While I can be quite foolish at times - and therefore one of the 'guilty' ones on the list - it's a pity that it has nothing to do with the issue of the thread topic. Still, it DOES bring home the sobering thought that heaven will be a fairly boring place with only you, Funny Fundie, and Polycarp_fan in it.

I don't think that. God created laughter, adventure and fun just for you either.

 

[KCKID]

Is that what is recommend by the Apostles?

Actually, I don't feel too much a need to be swayed by the recommendations of anyone who hadn't yet considered the benefits of indoor plumbing. Know what I mean?

By the way, PC_F, I know that I 'owe' you a response on another thread. I've had a rather busy time of late, it's been more than a week, and I really don't feel like responding ...particularly since my views on the issue will not change. If it's that important to you that you need to challenge me on a specific issue and get a response ...could you do so again so that we can start afresh?

 

[allhart]

Actually, I don't feel too much a need to be swayed by the recommendations of anyone who hadn't yet considered the benefits of indoor plumbing. Know what I mean?

By the way, PC_F, I know that I 'owe' you a response on another thread. I've had a rather busy time of late, it's been more than a week, and I really don't feel like responding ...particularly since my views on the issue will not change. If it's that important to you that you need to challenge me on a specific issue and get a response ...could you do so again so that we can start afresh?

So you think you are more of a man than he was for the times you live in. Like the computer is suppose to speed up things when actually it slows down things. You have so much info. You can't decipher fiction from fact.We have no reliable source.,also to watch t.v. wasting or rotting our minds. Having less thought of our purpose in life to more of a waste ,therefore; recorded history isn't solid evidence. Just like history is being distorted in our public schools. As they disclaim the facts as fiction to thanks giving is thanks to the Indians for the planting of corn. When in reality it was giving thanks to God or To say Easter is about spring break and not as to say Jesus rose from the dead as intended history Ect.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

So you think you are more of a man than he was for the times you live in. Like the computer is suppose to speed up things when actually it slows down things. You have so much info. You can't decipher fiction from fact.We have no reliable source.,also to watch t.v. wasting or rotting our minds. Having less thought of our purpose in life to more of a waste ,therefore; recorded history isn't solid evidence. Just like history is being distorted in our public schools. As they disclaim the facts as fiction to thanks giving is thanks to the Indians for the planting of corn. When in reality it was giving thanks to God or To say Easter is about spring break and not as to say Jesus rose from the dead as intended history Ect.

Easter the word and the holiday are both of Pagan origin and were later hijacked by Christianity.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/3680083/The-Pagan-Origin-of-Easter

 

[allhart]

Easter the word and the holiday are both of Pagan origin and were later hijacked by Christianity.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/3680083/The-Pagan-Origin-of-Easter

Good Friday and Easter Sunday are in reality the days in which Jesus Christ was Crucified and rose from the dead.(PASSOVER)

 

[QuakerOats]

I am Caesar. For I am the Government. For the people by the people.

As I stated previously, America is set up as such so that the rights of minorities are, or should be, protected. It is set up for all the people, by the people. Even Caesar has his guidelines.

 

[Andreusz]

Well, that's quite a list. While I can be quite foolish at times - and therefore one of the 'guilty' ones on the list - it's a pity that it has nothing to do with the issue of the thread topic. Still, it DOES bring home the sobering thought that heaven will be a fairly boring place with only you, Funny Fundie, and Polycarp_fan in it.

Lol!