GAP Creationism VS YEC & OEC Creationism

[mzungu]

sounds pretty legit

You mean like this:
That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A&E - YouTube

 

[Jazer]

if an Atheist is convicted of tax fraud

If an atheist was convicted the most he would get would be a year. Dr Dino is what they call a Tax Pro testor. That in and of itself is not illegal. But his refusal to pay taxes is not legal. It's not what he did that makes him guilty, it is what they did not do. Wiki has an artical on "Tax Pro testor" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protesting

 

[mzungu]

If an atheist was convicted the most he would get would be a year. Dr Dino is what they call a Tax Pro testor. That in and of itself is not illegal. But his refusal to pay taxes is not legal. It's not what he did that makes him guilty, it is what they did not do. Wiki has an artical on "Tax Pro testor" Tax protester (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[TheReasoner]

If an atheist was convicted the most he would get would be a year. Dr Dino is what they call a Tax Pro testor. That in and of itself is not illegal. But his refusal to pay taxes is not legal. It's not what he did that makes him guilty, it is what they did not do. Wiki has an artical on "Tax Pro testor" Tax protester (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Proverbs 19:5
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.

Matthew 19:16-19
16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?" 17And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments." 18He said to him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

Jazer, either provide hard evidence for that outlandish accusation or apologize. Bearing false witness and lying is hardly good behavior. If it happens to be true, so be it. If not, then you need to pray for forgiveness.

 

[TheReasoner]

My emphasis in those verses of course.
I could find more if you want me to.


Jazer, it is not something we christians should do: Accuse others - groups or individuals - of something we do not KNOW without a shred of doubt to be true. I strongly suspect you are fully aware that your accusation is empty, and as such you lied and bore false witness. Both sins.

 

[mzungu]

My emphasis in those verses of course.
I could find more if you want me to.


Jazer, it is not something we christians should do: Accuse others - groups or individuals - of something we do not KNOW without a shred of doubt to be true. I strongly suspect you are fully aware that your accusation is empty, and as such you lied and bore false witness. Both sins.

Faith Guardian, Forgive him for he knoweth not what he is doing! ( I am not joking. I actually mean it)!

 

[TheReasoner]

Faith Guardian, Forgive him for he knoweth not what he is doing! ( I am not joking. I actually mean it)!

I was too harsh?
Maybe I expect too much of people. *sigh*

Alright mzungu. You may have a point, and actually I am not the one who needs to forgive as I have not been wronged by that attack anyway. So it's not really up to me.

Jazer: Keep in mind that you need to make sure you are right when you make accusations. Sorry about how blunt I was.

 

[createdtoworship]

Sure. The way crystal healing and quantum medicine sounds legit.

Even if Marx and Engels accepted evolution as a scientific theory this does not mean that evolution is evil. No more than the fact that Hitler considered himself a christian, and many other bloodthirsty despots like Napoleon with him. So by the rationale that Marx and Engels accepting evolution means that evolution is evil by association we have a far stronger argument in the observation that many despots have been highly religious from which by the same lack of logic we can conclude that religion itself is evil.

The problem has many factors. First: Marx and Engels are not the only thinkers in communism. The ideology is both far older (See Plato's Republic which plays on much of the same) and far more widespread. Many consider communism to be anti-religious for example. It is not. Many communistic societies have been based on religion, among them various monasteries and communes including but not limited to the one described in Acts. Even today you can find devout christian communists. Both who adhere to creationism and evolution. Because of both it's age and it's wide ideological surface area we cannot conclude that communism as proposed by Stalin and Mao for example is representative neither of communism as a whole and certainly not at all to a scientific theory which is not even related to communism as an ideology any more than satanism is related to capitalism even though one can see clear correlations between people such as Anton Lavey or Aleister Crowley and capitalism as a societal structure. Or Napoleon, St. Olav, William of Orange, and any number of self-proclaimed Christian war-mongers and despots and Christianity.

Sure it sounds legit if you don't think about it. Why else would people take it to heart? The problem with it is as outlined though.

Oh, and by the way, just to emphasize that communism is not areligious even if Marx and Engels were, here are a few prominent Christian communists:

• Richard Andriamanjato
• William Brown (bishop)
• Lucy Burman
• Étienne Cabet
• Grace Carlson
• Petr Chelčický
• Diggers
• Paolo Ferrero
• Giovanni Franzoni
• John Garden
• Charles Garry
• Pehr Götrek
• Thomas J. Hagerty
• Ab Harrewijn
• Hewlett Johnson
• John Lewis (philosopher)
• Antonio Llidó
• Gabriel Bonnot de Mably
• Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge
• Tom Mann
• A. J. Muste
• Seán O'Casey
• Lyman Paine
• Albert Edward Smith
• Camilo Torres Restrepo
• Nichi Vendola
• Wilhelm Weitling

So on that area as well the American affection for simplification of a more complex reality does a proverbial faceplant.

Are we done with communism here? Please? Talk about unrelated nonsense.

well communism can be diverse I guess but the version of hitler and marx was based on evolution and this is the worst kind.

 

[TheReasoner]

well communism can be diverse I guess but the version of hitler and marx was based on evolution and this is the worst kind.

Okay Grady. Believe what you will. I can see I can't change your mind on this. Or rather, I give up anyway.

Just one small thing... You are aware that the Nazis weren't communists, right?

 

[Freodin]

well communism can be diverse I guess but the version of hitler and marx was based on evolution and this is the worst kind.

Now even if we were to admit that Marxism and Nazism was based on evolution and that it was bad... how does that excuse creationists from taking responsibility for their misdeeds?

 

[createdtoworship]

Okay Grady. Believe what you will. I can see I can't change your mind on this. Or rather, I give up anyway.

Just one small thing... You are aware that the Nazis weren't communists, right?

you are right, I just use the word losely

 

[createdtoworship]

Now even if we were to admit that Marxism and Nazism was based on evolution and that it was bad... how does that excuse creationists from taking responsibility for their misdeeds?

it doesn't, it just proves evolution to be socially in apt

 

[TheReasoner]

it doesn't, it just proves evolution to be socially in apt

inept is the word you are looking for. And how does it do that any more than Napoleon being a Christian proves Christianity to be inept?

 

[TheReasoner]

you are right, I just use the word losely

Nono. Not losely. Way off. Communism is left wing. On the very extreme. And that goes for every kind I am aware of. Totalitarian, anarchic, christian, atheistic... You name it. It's left wing. Naziism is right wing. And yes, yes. I know what the nazi party's name was. But I also know what policies they enacted, and those were right wing, not left. So if you use communism 'losely' about Naziizm you can use the word losely about anything.

 

[createdtoworship]

inept is the word you are looking for. And how does it do that any more than Napoleon being a Christian proves Christianity to be inept?

because Christianity by definition is loving not hateful and arrogant, read first john. If you have not love you are not his disciple. Your comparison is way off. Evolution has it's roots in biogenesis mainly, that we have evolved from primordial soup. No morals and life is meaningless. No hope. With that world view anything is okay, nothing is wrong. All is relative.

 

[createdtoworship]

Nono. Not losely. Way off. Communism is left wing. On the very extreme. And that goes for every kind I am aware of. Totalitarian, anarchic, christian, atheistic... You name it. It's left wing. Naziism is right wing. And yes, yes. I know what the nazi party's name was. But I also know what policies they enacted, and those were right wing, not left. So if you use communism 'losely' about Naziizm you can use the word losely about anything.

I thought christian was right wing?

 

[Freodin]

Communism is base democratic. People choose representants, who form councils, who chose representants for the next highter tier. "Soviet" was the name of the Communist states, soviet republics. "Soviet" means "council".

Nazism is a top-down system. Adolf Hitler styled himself "Führer", that means "leader". Even when there were sub-leaders, every decision was ultimately made by the leader alone.

 

[Freodin]

so your saying that hitler and his right wing men were not communistic?

Definitly not.

 

[createdtoworship]

Definitly not.

Yeah I read that, I was confused about it. But communism is still way off. Why would they call it the communist holocaust if they were left wing. I am confused.

http://creation.com/the-darwinian-foundation-of-communism

 

[createdtoworship]

During a debate with Farrell Till, Hovind made the following claim about Donald Johanson: "[He] found the leg bones of Lucy a mile and a half away from the head bones. The leg bones were 200 feet deeper in a deeper layer of strata. I would like to know how fast the train was going that hit that chimpanzee."
-kent hovind quotes