GAP Creationism VS YEC & OEC Creationism

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Again, so it's okay to call Dr. Dre 'doctor', since he's being upfront about it?

(Who needs a paper mill anymore, eh?)

Sure, just like Dr. Suess or Professor Longhair.

 

[TheReasoner]

Again, so it's okay to call Dr. Dre 'doctor', since he's being upfront about it?

(Who needs a paper mill anymore, eh?)

Pretty much. It's like "Dr. Steel"* or "Dr. Seuss". Everyone knows it's not a real degree. Now, if they pretend the degree is real in order to make money out of the fake degree - or gain respect out of it - it's not so trivial anymore. And lo and behold, both of those is exactly what Mr. Hovind did. Not something we should simply let go from a fellow christian, is it AV? We're supposed to have higher standards. Right? No matter what he says he stands for his actions speak for themselves. Good thing he's in prison. Shame he got that much out of his career as a fraud.


*Dr. Steel has a fairly cool image, but I don't think his music is as good. Sadly.

 

[Jazer]

Why call him Dr. Dino?

Because it's cute and it makes me smile.

Fake degree

It's not a fake degree, it is a correspondance degree. He had to do the work. Although I am sure it was a lot less work then a regular program at a regular university. I knew a guy with a Phd that was really lazy. I am pretty sure he paid someone to write his dissertation for him. He took a lot of easy classes where no real work was required of him. So for me the line between what is real and what is fake is not as clear as you would suggest.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Would it make any difference at all if we all just pulled rank on you guys and said, "God did it," and left it at that?

That's not "rank" you're pulling. You want to pretend to have something worth adding to this or any other discussion, don't act so indignant when you get called on it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sure, just like Dr. Suess or Professor Longhair.

Pretty much. It's like Dr. Steel or "Dr. Seuss".

Then what's the problem with 'Dr. Dino', if he is no less accredited than Dr. Seuss or Dr. Steel?

After all, you're upset that he's lying about his doctorate, are you not?

Would you guys start calling me Dr. AV, if I made it plain that I don't have a doctorate, but said, "You can call me 'doctor', anyway"?

In any event, to each his own -- it's your prerogative.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's not "rank" you're pulling. You want to pretend to have something worth adding to this or any other discussion, don't act so indignant when you get called on it.

And don't call me on it and expect me to care, if you're not willing to answer it.

 

[TheReasoner]

Because it's cute and it makes me smile.

Nothing cute about lying about your degree to make money off of gullible people, Jazer.

It's not a fake degree, it is a correspondance degree. He had to do the work. Although I am sure it was a lot less work then a regular program at a regular university. I knew a guy with a Phd that was really lazy. I am pretty sure he paid someone to write his dissertation for him. He took a lot of easy classes where no real work was required of him. So for me the line between what is real and what is fake is not as clear as you would suggest.

Read his dissertation then come back to me. It's not a real degree. If I were to deliver anything of that quality as a paper making up an eighth of a semester I'd fail the paper.
If I could get a degree with that amount of "work"...
He is all over the place through it.

Observe his thesis if you will. A thesis which has no title(!), no page numbers, references, no footnotes, no table of contents - even though he opens it describing a sixteen chapter document. It has FOUR. Hovind claims his work was "The Effects of Teaching Evolution on the students in our public school system." The subject is not covered in any of these four chapters, nor is it in any of the twelve "missing" ones. PU - it should be mentioned - also has ONE person on the board for approving a doctoral thesis.
The thesis is also full of misspellings among which we find "Voltair", "Shintu" (yes, the Japanese religion), "peersuaded", "centrifical" (as in the force) and many many more. It was printed on dot-matrix paper and has ONE illustration. Incidentally it was cut out of a science text book and not even credited. Which is plagiarizing another person's work and should get him thrown out of ANY university.

Now... I could go on to the contents and not just the form of the thesis. There are MANY gems there. I could mention that he mentions Marx, Huxley and Wallace more often than he does Darwin. Rather odd given the subject. Or that he scissors out large portions of his text and repeats it - verbatim at that - in several other locations throughout the thesis.
I could go on, but I should hit the hay. It's been a long day and another one is soon to follow.

I do wonder though... Do you really doubt that the aforementioned degree (which is available on-line by the way) is about as fake as they can get? Really? You still want to say he "did the work"? Really?

 

[AV1611VET]

Just fyi, from my pov, I find it ... ironic that those who consider themselves Homo sapiens would whine about someone's title.

 

[Jazer]

Nothing cute about lying about your degree to make money off of gullible people, Jazer.


Read his dissertation then come back to me. It's not a real degree. If I were to deliver anything of that quality as a paper making up an eighth of a semester I'd fail the paper.
If I could get a degree with that amount of "work"...
He is all over the place through it.

We had a foreign exchange student from China. He had the best test results for Physics in the whole school but his English scores were not good. He wanted to get into one of the top 20 universities. Needless to say he was not accepted. So he got into a school that was one of the top 20%. Big difference between top 20 percent and top 20.

For me I could say your worthless because you did not graduate from Harvard or MIT. You can not cut the cheese and get into a real school. Yet there are universities that take 100% of the people that apply. Even though they only manage to graduate 50% of them.

For me you need to quit sticking your nose up in the air at the people that are beneath your supposed level. Because there are a LOT of people that went to a better school then you. A school you did not even stand a chance of getting into. So you have no right to be critical of people who attend a school that is beneath your so called standards.

Of course if you want to hire him for a job, then you have every right to look at the school he attended. But far to often they just accept that you say you have a college degree and let it go at that.

Something is wrong somewhere because this country is just not what it was even 20 years ago. I drive by the university and I see people drinking and having a party and wonder if they ever have time to study at all. I see jobs going overseas at a unprecedented rate. So if the academic standards are so high, then why is this country going to hell in handbasket so quick? Perhaps your straining out the gnats and swallowing the camel.

Dr Dino was a High School Science teacher. That takes more then a two year degree. Yet how many churches have pastors with two year degrees? I do not hear you complaining about them. Also how many people that have real Phd's know nothing outside of their area of study. I had a brother in law that had a Phd in computers. Yet all he knew was about Cisco. He did not know anything else. I suppose if you need a specialist on Cisco wonderful. But it would be nice if in all those years of education he had learned a little bit of something.

So I assume your pastor has the equivalent of a real Phd? Just where did he graduate from and what are his qualifications?

Everyone in my family is either a teacher, phd or md. So I do not have that much of a regard for them. Actually both of my brothers are directors. If they were going to hire someone I am sure they would look at where they got their degree from. But where Dr Dino was preaching and teaching they were doing good to get someone in there that even had a college degree. Usually people at those churches have nothing or a two year associate degree.

 

[Jazer]

Just fyi, from my pov, I find it ... ironic that those who consider themselves Homo sapiens would whine about someone's title.

I went to to many private schools, I do not like snobby people who think they are better then everyone else. Dr Dino may not be at the top of his field. But where he was preaching and teaching he was a lot better educated then most the people that honor those churches. The name is a joke anyways, it is not as if anyone really takes it serious.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Then what's the problem with 'Dr. Dino', if he is no less accredited than Dr. Seuss or Dr. Steel?

Actually, he is far less accredited than Dr. Seuss -- Theodor "Dr. Seuss" Geisel has six honorary doctorates, including one form his Alma Mater, Dartmouth College.

Mr. Hovind has none, and no accomplishment which would merit that or any other honor.

So it is literally true that Dr. Seuss is more of a doctor than Kent Hovind will ever be.

Would you guys start calling me Dr. AV, if I made it plain that I don't have a doctorate, but said, "You can call me 'doctor', anyway"?

Why would we want to? It's just another honorific you haven't earned.

 

[Incariol]

Hovind got his "doctorate" from an unaccredited degree mill. A few 5-year olds could playact school and award each other doctorates and have just as much legitimacy in calling themselves "doctor" as he.

 

[AV1611VET]

I went to to many private schools, I do not like snobby people who think they are better then everyone else. Dr Dino may not be at the top of his field. But where he was preaching and teaching he was a lot better educated then most the people that honor those churches. The name is a joke anyways, it is not as if anyone really takes it serious.

Here's the bottom line, bro.

It doesn't matter how credible Kent Hovind's degree is; they will still thumb their noses at it.

Be it the late Henry Morris' degree in mechanical engineering (or whatever it was), or Gail Riplinger's degree in basket weaving (or whatever it was), they will stamp DOES NOT APPLY on it, and that's that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually, he is far less accredited than Dr. Seuss -- Theodor "Dr. Seuss" Geisel has six honorary doctorates, including one form his Alma Mater, Dartmouth College.

Again, let me point out -- Jesus didn't have a degree.

Degrees can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hovind got his "doctorate" from an unaccredited degree mill. A few 5-year olds could playact school and award each other doctorates and have just as much legitimacy in calling themselves "doctor" as he.

And that's like ringing the dinner bell for you Internet scientists to pick on him, isn't it?

 

[Incariol]

And that's like ringing the dinner bell for you Internet scientists to pick on him, isn't it?

"Internet scientists"?

 

[AV1611VET]

"Internet scientists"?

Ya -- "experts" in creatio ex nihilo; "experts" in Genesis 6 hydrodynamics, "experts" in hamartology, "experts" in eschatology, "experts" in hermeneutics, "experts" in how faith operates, "experts" in ontological subordination, "experts" in higher criticism, "experts" in lower criticism, "experts" in Biblical typology, "experts" in Bible prophecy, "experts" in dispensation theology, "experts" in tripartitism -- all rolled up in each and every person.

 

[Incariol]

Ya -- "experts" in creatio ex nihilo; "experts" in Genesis 6 hydrodynamics, "experts" in hamartology, "experts" in eschatology, "experts" in hermeneutics, "experts" in how faith operates, "experts" in ontological subordination, "experts" in higher criticism, "experts" in lower criticism, "experts" in Biblical typology, "experts" in Bible prophecy, "experts" in dispensation theology, "experts" in tripartitism -- all rolled up in each and every person.

Well, I'm glad you have such a high opinion of the rest of us.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Here's the bottom line, bro.

It doesn't matter how credible Kent Hovind's degree is; they will still thumb their noses at it.

A moot point, since is "degree" is worthless.

Be it the late Henry Morris' degree in mechanical engineering (or whatever it was), or Gail Riplinger's degree in basket weaving (or whatever it was), they will stamp DOES NOT APPLY on it, and that's that.

So, contrary to the creationist drivel we usually hear, evolutionists are not automatically impressed by degrees.

Thank you for point out that actions speak louder than unearned titles.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Ya -- "experts" in creatio ex nihilo; "experts" in Genesis 6 hydrodynamics, "experts" in hamartology, "experts" in eschatology, "experts" in hermeneutics, "experts" in how faith operates, "experts" in ontological subordination, "experts" in higher criticism, "experts" in lower criticism, "experts" in Biblical typology, "experts" in Bible prophecy, "experts" in dispensation theology, "experts" in tripartitism -- all rolled up in each and every person.

You really think it takes an "expert" to recognize your drivel as drivel?

You have far too high an opinion of yourself, AV -- you actually think you're fooling people.