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I have to ask: Do you know the history of end times in the Church? It has been a disaster. End times movements in Church history have produced the following fruit:
* Endless false testimony from the Church about world events, movements, governments, and leaders
* Wars (from the Munster revolt to Hitler)
* Mass suicides (Jonestown; 20-30,000 Russian Orthodox Church members--"the Old Believers"--burned themselves to death while under impression the endtimes had come)
* Heresies (JWs, 7th Day Adventists, Mormons are all endtimes movements that were birthed out of mainstream endtimes hysterias started by legitimate Protestant denominations in the early and mid 1800s!) Why do you suppose they call themselves the "Latter Day Saints"?
* Waco/Hal Lindsey's 1980s error/Heaven's Gate
...and much much more.
Originally posted by jeopardy_chaos
But Willis , shorly when god says what he wants through a prophet , he is refering to a particular event in the future???
Originally posted by jeopardy_chaos
if prophesy has multiple fullfillments to this extent then would it be gods word???
Originally posted by jeopardy_chaos
couldn`t anyone say anything then, and that will fullfill it`s self many times , as many times as anyone wants to twist it to mean whatever. so is prophesy of any value at all.
Originally posted by jeopardy_chaos
there was a thread I read today that addressess this quite well;
the title was something like ;
"prophesy past is a witness that gods in control but prophesy future is a stumbling block"
go check that thread out Willis , that bloke seemed to hit it right on the head.
Originally posted by The Messenger
you still playing cover up?
That would be a literally correct translation from greek to english (but un-necessary and non-sensical in english). But it would be correct because it would imply a rounded-off figure or an approximation instead of a FIXED NUMERAL. Chilioi is NOT the numeral 1000. Chilias (strongs 5505) is the number 1000.Originally posted by The Messenger
trying to say chilioi is BEST translated as thousands is foolishness GW otherwise...
dischilioi would be "twothousands "
trischilioi would be "threethousands "
Originally posted by The Messenger
it would have been grammatically incorrect to use the noun "chilias" in connection with "etos"(year) which is also a noun.
Originally posted by parousia70
Thunder,
I used to be futurist. Have you ever been a preterist?
I know why people are futurist, because I used to be one.
In fact, most all preterists used to be futurist. we know the turmoil you are going through with digesting this view for the first time, for we all went through the same turmoil, asked the same questions, took the same stance you are taking right now. I used to be you! scoffing at the notion that preterism was even worth my time to investigate. But the Holy Spirit, who was dwelling in me since I became saved, some 18 years before I accepted the truth of past fulfillment, was moving me to test this 'new' understanding, not against what I had been "taught" all my Christian Life, but against the scriptures.
P70
Is God unable to author a prophecy that has more than one fulfillment?
in 70AD you can defend your position so long as you interpret prophecy in a symbolic form, and prophecy loses its meaning. However, if you interpret prophecy to be literal/physical then you can see where 70ad is in error.
Originally posted by Willis Deal
In case you hadn't noticed, people who are determined to make fools of themselves will do so, regardless of whether their beliefs have merit or not.
Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um
You are a Child of God, Josiah!
I very much liked reading your post. I liked what you had to say. Thanks!
Originally posted by Willis Deal
But davo... didn't Christ himself explain parables in such a way that each element DID mean something?
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