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[truth above all else]

sounds like you can't be a Christian and believe in evolution to me. more radical dichotomy and polarization, without any particulars as to why....



or is it the living in sin list? re: consumate such a marriage are futile
(or maybe the need viagra list?)

why should a Christian be required to believe in evolution thus making it a faith.
If the evolutionary process is so obviously prevalent in nature then why is it constantly defended , redefined and its terms of reference narrowing.It appears that any well meaning critic of evolutionary theory must be refuted at any cost

 

[Dannager]

why should a Christian be required to believe in evolution thus making it a faith.
If the evolutionary process is so obviously prevalent in nature then why is it constantly defended , redefined and its terms of reference narrowing.It appears that any well meaning critic of evolutionary theory must be refuted at any cost

Unfortunately a lot of critics of evolutionary theory aren't well-meaning. Many are bold-faced liars, deceivers, willfully ignorant stonewallers and other such riff-raff. Evolutionary theory needs to be defended because it is under unwarranted attack by these people.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

why should a Christian be required to believe in evolution thus making it a faith.
If the evolutionary process is so obviously prevalent in nature then why is it constantly defended , redefined and its terms of reference narrowing.It appears that any well meaning critic of evolutionary theory must be refuted at any cost

Well meaning? Are there any well meaning critics of evolution? Why would one be a critic of evolution, unless that person had a opposing viewpoint he wanted to push?

By well meaning critic, do you mean people who make inaccurate statements about the nature of evolution, so that they can "disprove" it? Such as the ever-popular and extremely moronic "men came from monkeys, so why are there still monkeys" that was spouted on this very board just a few days ago? Don't those statements need to be refuted?

Are there well-meaning critics of the theory of gravity? Germ theory? Any other field of science? Why is it only evolution that is claimed to be "wrong"? Oh, right, it conflicts with a literal interpretation of somebody's holy book.

The same scientific method is used for all sciences, so the theory of evolution is just as valid as any other.

 

[JohnR7]

Does evolution disprove the Bible? No....

But the Bible does disprove man's theory of evolution. Anything that God is not a part of, is doomed to failure. Just as man's evolutionary theory has failed again and again.

 

[Dannager]

But the Bible does disprove man's theory of evolution.

Books don't disprove anything. Facts do.

Anything that God is not a part of, is doomed to failure.

God is a part of all natural processes, evolution included.

Just as man's evolutionary theory has failed again and again.

Only in your mind. There hasn't been a criticism leveled at evolutionary theory that hasn't been refuted by a little bit of properly applied knowledge.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

But the Bible does disprove man's theory of evolution. Anything that God is not a part of, is doomed to failure. Just as man's evolutionary theory has failed again and again.

The bible cannot prove or disprove anything unless the bible itself is proved.

What is your proof that the bible is anything other than the writings of a bunch of ordinary guys sitting out in the desert with great imaginations and time on their hands?

 

[JohnR7]

Books don't disprove anything. Facts do.

The Bible is more than just a book, it is the inspired word of God and is backed up with more then just the facts, it is backed up by the truth.

 

[JohnR7]

What is your proof that the bible is anything other than

My evidence for the Bible is that I am here having this conversation with you. If God were not life, health and healing, then I would not be here and alive to have this conversation.

 

[truth above all else]

Well meaning? Are there any well meaning critics of evolution? Why would one be a critic of evolution, unless that person had a opposing viewpoint he wanted to push

It is not heretical to put evolutionary thinking under the microscope, what we are seeking is truth above all else,evolutionists seem unconcerned with the voluminous evidentiary problems that have been identified and argue that the theory has to be true regardless as described by the following quote
"It is not that the methods of science compel us to accept a material explanation of the world, but on the contrary that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we can not allow a Divine Foot in the door."

 

[rmwilliamsll]

But the Bible does disprove man's theory of evolution. Anything that God is not a part of, is doomed to failure. Just as man's evolutionary theory has failed again and again.

The Bible is more than just a book, it is the inspired word of God and is backed up with more then just the facts, it is backed up by the truth.

you should listen to Augustine

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to, as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learned from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertions.

 

[Baggins]

My evidence for the Bible is that I am here having this conversation with you. If God were not life, health and healing, then I would not be here and alive to have this conversation.

Ah! anecdotal evidence.

Not the strongest type sadly

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

My evidence for the Bible is that I am here having this conversation with you. If God were not life, health and healing, then I would not be here and alive to have this conversation.

How does the existence of the physical universe and all the life forms in it, including man, prove your god instead of allah or zeus or the hindu gods? Many religions have a creation myth.

Whether the physical universe and the existence of man proves a creator or not, in no way does it prove jesus, heaven, hell , purgatory, angels, demons, redemption, the devil, the holy spirit, or sin.

For all of that, you just have a book.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

It is not heretical to put evolutionary thinking under the microscope, what we are seeking is truth above all else,evolutionists seem unconcerned with the voluminous evidentiary problems that have been identified and argue that the theory has to be true regardless as described by the following quote
"It is not that the methods of science compel us to accept a material explanation of the world, but on the contrary that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we can not allow a Divine Foot in the door."

Who is supposed to have said that? Do you have proof that it came from a real evolutionary scientist?

 

[truth above all else]

Who is supposed to have said that? Do you have proof that it came from a real evolutionary scientist?

Lewontin R, a leading geneticist

 

[Hydra009]

Lewontin R, a leading geneticist

Probable source: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/admission.asp (also, David Limbaugh, brother of Rush Limbaugh and various creationist websites)

the fulltext

 

[kingzjewel]

you got what i was trying to say...

 

[kingzjewel]

O/T, but the knowledge of good came from the tree which God forbade A&E to eat. The serpent told them to eat it. God didn't want A&E to know good and evil... Which is funny because A&E knew the difference between good and evil but didn't really know it until God told them what was good and evil.

Current archaeological findings refute many of the claims of the Bible.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH120.html

there are also many CURRENT finds that verify the bible. there will always be a yin and yang.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

there are also many CURRENT finds that verify the bible. there will always be a yin and yang.

Got any links, from other than religious sites?

You aren't talking about that "egyptian chariot wheel" guy, are you? Even christians laugh at him.

 

[Dannager]

there are also many CURRENT finds that verify the bible. there will always be a yin and yang.

That verify which parts of the Bible? Can we take a look at them?

 

[lightencandle]

As I said before; if evolutionary theory is correct ( and all the evidence seen so far suggests it is ) then we are not only descended from apes, we are a genus of ape.

Maybe. It doesn'treally matter to me, none of my spiritual or religious views would be comprimised if we are a genus of ape.