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[lightencandle]

Yes dearest, the scientific explanation preaches descent with modification, such as our alleged neanderthal forefathers. Divine scripture and Holy fathers teach the fall from paradise.These beliefs are mutually exclusive

The basic theory is as I stated above. The origions of life are not explained by evolution, and certainly not all biologists believe that humans evolved from apes. However, I should mention that there are many evolutionists who will do anything to prove Christianity wrong, and so they have made their own opinions on the origion of life, and added it to evolution. Evolution (both micro and macro) is an observable fact, and we would all be dead without it. Interesting how complex God is, no?

 

[lightencandle]

irrespective of what it was that evolved to become human, evolutionary philosophy demands that such a transfiguration occurred, hence the conflict between Christian truth and naturally selected thinking

Sir, evolutionary "philosophy" is too complex to fit inside the brains of most respected biologists. The only connecting "evidence" that proves this single branch of evolutionary biology is unreliable and horrably misused. I suggest that you stop, and drop all of your previous conceptions about evolution, because they are doing nothing for you. There is an article, not as well written as others, on Twisted Press that attempts explain this. You might want to do a google search for Twisted Press, hosted by Wordpress.

furthermore factual evidence (sic) cannot be in conflict with divine revelation, it is sufficient for you to know that secular knowledge can teach us nothing about Gods revelation that is not contained in that revelation itself

Knowledge about God can only be revealed in the Bible?Is that what you're saying? God cannot be contained in that little Book, however I or anyone else respects it as an authority on the nature of God. The best knowledge of God we can get is directly from God himself.

 

[lightencandle]

teach the fall from paradise

fall from innocence
fall from grace
fall from "a place" or from a "state" or from a "relationship"?

But you wouldn't want to teach this in public school as many creationists propose. It's not science, it's religion. And evolution does not disprove this anyway.

 

[Baggins]

. The origions of life are not explained by evolution, and certainly not all biologists believe that humans evolved from apes.

The overwhelming majority of Biologists not only belive that we are descended from apes, they believe we are apes.

You first sentence is correct however.

 

[lightencandle]

The overwhelming majority of Biologists not only belive that we are descended from apes, they believe we are apes.

You first sentence is correct however.

Perhaps. A lot of the bioligists I talk to, and have had as teachers (only one of them is a Christian) see the problems with human descent from apes. I know that there are lot who don't though.

 

[TheInstant]

Perhaps. A lot of the bioligists I talk to, and have had as teachers (only one of them is a Christian) see the problems with human descent from apes. I know that there are lot who don't though.

What are these problems with human descent that you speak of?

 

[TheInstant]

However, I should mention that there are many evolutionists who will do anything to prove Christianity wrong, and so they have made their own opinions on the origion of life, and added it to evolution.

What evolutionists have tried to add abiogenesis to the theory of evolution? The only ones I've ever seen do this are creationists.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

but dont you think that science is only leading us to another tower of babel? scientists are going way too far in trying to create and control life. next thing you know they will reactivate dinosaurs and we will end up in jurassic park getting eaten by tyrannosaurs and such! as far as the bible, i never thought that it disproved the bible. everything is science is a THEORY not a fact. not threatening me at all Theories forever change. The Word of God does not.

You say that as if extreme rigidity and inability to change for thousands of years is a virtue. There are "sins" now that did not exist during biblical times, such as sex with transsexuals, so the bible does not prohibit them explicitly. This apparently means they are not sins. On the other hand, science will adapt to new discoveries.

By the way, "theory" has a different meaning in science. Some theories have so much evidence that they are considered equivalent to fact.

For instance, I challenge you to walk off a cliff. After all, gravity is only a theory, so there is no guarantee you will fall thousands of feet.

 

[Hydra009]

What is some peoples problems? Why are Christians getting so riled up about the evoltion debate? Beats me. Does evolution disprove the Bible? No.... Does it replace God? No... It seems that many Christians can't believe anything science says, because of course science and Christianity are complete opposits. WRONG! Science is one of the greatest gifts God has give humanity, right up there with the Arts, and I would even go so far as to say that science and religion should go hand in hand. Of course, science, like anything, including the Bible can be misinterpreted, or misused, and they both have. But do we disregard the Bible just because it has been used to justify murder? Of course not. Wake up yon people, wake up.

Haven't read the whole thread yet, here's my two cents: it's a type of mass hysteria not unlike a moral panic. Moral panics typically "revolve around a perceived threat to a value or norm held by a society normally stimulated by glorification within the mass media or 'folk legend' within societies" - a description I think sums up crevo very well.

Christians sometimes see evolution and particular and science in general as a threat or slight against their personal religious beliefs, and often believe that scientific advances are displacing religious explainations, particularly in the areas of cosmology, abiogenesis, and human evolution. (See God of the Gaps) This is often fueled by the perception that mainstream science promotes atheism and/or a variety of worldviews typically viewed as abhorrent by fundamentalist Christians such as communism or nazism. Therefore, they believe that having evolution censored in public schools and having creationism taught in its place will promote "proper" Christian beliefs.

Thus, ironically, many creationists genuinely believe they are defending Christianity by claiming, for example, that the Bible says the world is 6,000 years old, that dinosaurs lived with humans beings, and that all animals (even carnivores) ate only plants prior to the Fall. Personally, I think they make the case against the Bible far more effectively than any atheist ever could, by claiming that if a single thing in the Bible is wrong, then all of the Bible is wrong, and then coming up with absurdity after absurdity attributed to the Bible.

 

[lightencandle]

What evolutionists have tried to add abiogenesis to the theory of evolution? The only ones I've ever seen do this are creationists.

There is an entire branch of evolutionary biologists. Many of them are called Theistic-Evolutionists. And I wouldn't say that anyone is adding a "bio-genesis" to evolution, even Christian scientists. You can be an evolutionist, and follow any religion.

 

[lightencandle]

What are these problems with human descent that you speak of?

Perhaps I worded that wrong. What I meant was that evolution does not necessaraly prove that humans evolved from apes. Personally, I don't really care if we did, it wouldn't change my religious views, I was trying to make a point that christianity and evolution don't have to clash.

 

[Baggins]

Perhaps I worded that wrong. What I meant was that evolution does not necessaraly prove that humans evolved from apes. Personally, I don't really care if we did, it wouldn't change my religious views, I was trying to make a point that christianity and evolution don't have to clash.

As I said before; if evolutionary theory is correct ( and all the evidence seen so far suggests it is ) then we are not only descended from apes, we are a genus of ape.

 

[TheInstant]

There is an entire branch of evolutionary biologists. Many of them are called Theistic-Evolutionists. And I wouldn't say that anyone is adding a "bio-genesis" to evolution, even Christian scientists. You can be an evolutionist, and follow any religion.

Then I agree with you. I thought that when you mentioned the origin of life you were talking about abiogenesis (the study of the origin of life from non-living substances).

 

[truth above all else]

Perhaps I worded that wrong. What I meant was that evolution does not necessaraly prove that humans evolved from apes. Personally, I don't really care if we did, it wouldn't change my religious views, I was trying to make a point that christianity and evolution don't have to clash.

The Patristic teaching of creation and the modern philosophy of evolution are incompatible and uncomplementary. Attempts to consumate such a marriage are futile

 

[cody]

well...this is a touchy subject....i dont believe that science disaproves the bible at all, i think that it verifies it. and i do not believe that God created man through evolution, because the bible is pretty clear on that...however, i do not say that it isnt possible...God couldve created the world however he felt like creating it. but i still believe that God created us personally.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

well...this is a touchy subject....i dont believe that science disaproves the bible at all, i think that it verifies it.

How? Got an example?

 

[chaoschristian]

The Patristic teaching of creation and the modern philosophy of evolution are incompatible and uncomplementary, Attempts to consumate such a marriage are futile

Written on Good Friday!

 

[cody]

Same thing with the Bible...

I do agree though. Science should be used without opinion sometimes.And then of course, you have the fundementalists at the opposite end who go to lengths, even to make up facts and claim them to be "scientific fact" to disprove evolution. Both the extreemist, antigod/religion/creation scientists and the fundementalist/creationist christians should be ashamed of theirselves.

amen....amen...amen....

 

[BananaSlug]

KNOWLEDGE of the difference between good and evil is from the serpent. KNOWLEDGE of only the good is from God...and snippy comments arent necessary.

O/T, but the knowledge of good came from the tree which God forbade A&E to eat. The serpent told them to eat it. God didn't want A&E to know good and evil... Which is funny because A&E knew the difference between good and evil but didn't really know it until God told them what was good and evil.

Current archaeological findings refute many of the claims of the Bible.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH120.html

 

[rmwilliamsll]

The Patristic teaching of creation and the modern philosophy of evolution are incompatible and uncomplementary, Attempts to consumate such a marriage are futile

sounds like you can't be a Christian and believe in evolution to me. more radical dichotomy and polarization, without any particulars as to why....



or is it the living in sin list? re: consumate such a marriage are futile
(or maybe the need viagra list?)