From their website it appears that they are sound in their faith and doctrine. They hold to believer's baptism but not baptismal regeneration.
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From their website it appears that they are sound in their faith and doctrine. They hold to believer's baptism but not baptismal regeneration.The Churches of Christ in Australia is not the same denomination as the Church of Christ USA. Churches of Christ in Australia is a denomination very much like Baptists in theology and does not promote baptismal regeneration. I am not associated with the Churches of Christ, but have preached in some CoC churches and know some CoC pastors.
From their website it appears that they are sound in their faith and doctrine. They hold to believer's baptism but not baptismal regeneration.
Hello fellow Baptists!
There is something I have been wondering recently.
A core doctrine of the Baptist faith is believer's baptism through full immersion, yet I have met some Baptists that are not as strict about it.
For example, I was baptized through full immersion but I also see pouring as a valid alternative.
John Bunyan is considered a Baptist by historians and he agree with full immersion as the valid mode of baptism, yet he also believed Baptists made an idol out of baptism and accepted Christians who were baptized differently.
How important is it for someone to baptized through full immersion? Do you accept paedobaptists or think they should be baptized again as believers through immersion?
That's correct, except in the State of Victoria. I have written an article exposing what the CoC did in that State in inviting Episcopalian heterodox ex-bishop, John Shelby Spong, to do a series of meetings.
See: John Shelby Spong and the Churches of Christ (Victoria, Australia) In Victoria, the CoC has become more liberal in theology.
There seems to be some connection between the CoC and The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the USA, which is infiltrated with liberalism.
Oz
There is. At one point, the CoC and the Disciples were one movement. They split over the use of musical instruments in worship services. In 1906, a CoC leader informed the US Census Bureau that they were henceforth to be counted separately from the Disciples.
However, the CoC is not to be held guilty by association of liberalism. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
You are speaking of the Church of Christ USA.
I'm speaking of the Churches of Christ, Australia, which is not the same denomination. The USA Church of Christ has some churches in Australia like Bundaberg Targo Street Church of Christ. But it is not connected to the denomination associated with Twyford Street Church of Christ. The Targo Street Church of Christ does not have musical instruments in the church service. The other one does. I used to live in Bundaberg. It's my hometown. They are 2 separate denominations.
Oz
I heard that people from a presy church went to a baptist church to use their baptism pool and lots of families got baptised there because the presy church had no baptism pool in their church.
That's called pooling your resources.I heard that people from a presy church went to a baptist church to use their baptism pool and lots of families got baptised there because the presy church had no baptism pool in their church.
I heard that people from a presy church went to a baptist church to use their baptism pool and lots of families got baptised there because the presy church had no baptism pool in their church.
Presbyterian churches do not need a baptism pool as they use a baptismal font in the church to dab water on the forehead of the infant or adult. That's what happens in the Presbyterian church I attend here in Brisbane.
[…] Even Baptists do not really teach properly what Scripture reveals about baptism.
1. Water baptism must be an integral part of the Gospel (Mt 28:18-20; Mk 16:16,16).
2. According to the New Testament baptism is to be administered immediately after conversion (Acts 8:35-40), not days, weeks, months, or years later.
3. Any mature male Christian can baptize a new convert (Acts 9:10-19), not necessarily an ordained minister.
4. Water baptism is a command, not an option (Acts 10:44-48).
5. There is no extensive preparation or classes required prior to baptism (Acts 16:30-34).
6. Water baptism is a witness to the world that the a sinner has repented and been converted (Acts 2:38-41; 3:19).
7. Water baptism does not give access to local church member, but symbolically indicates membership in the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13).
8. Water baptism teaches the new believer that God is three Divine Persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- and it is in His name that the believer is baptized (Mt 28:19).
Why is it that when some error is brought to light, then the Scriptures are being *misquoted*, or *twisted*, or *taken out of context*? Since I have studied the subject in depth, nothing has been misquoted. If you believe that is true, then prove it, or agree that even many Baptists don't teach about (and practice) water baptism according to Scripture.But I think you are misquoting some verses anyway.
Here's a good example of misreading what was stated. The majority of Baptist churches regard water baptism as something which gives a new convert access to membership in their local church. I did not say that the Scripture given teaches that. What I did say is that that Scripture establishes that every believer is *baptized* into the Body of Christ (which goes way beyond the local assembly). So the true teaching would be to explain this to the new convert, and then let him/her know that they are welcome to be in full fellowship in that local church, but not through their water baptism.The mentioned verse does not talk about local church membership.
Why is it that when some error is brought to light, then the Scriptures are being *misquoted*, or *twisted*, or *taken out of context*?
Since I have studied the subject in depth, nothing has been misquoted.
If you believe that is true, then prove it, or agree that even many Baptists don't teach about (and practice) water baptism according to Scripture.
Here's a good example of misreading what was stated. The majority of Baptist churches regard water baptism as something which gives a new convert access to membership in their local church.
I did not say that the Scripture given teaches that. What I did say is that that Scripture establishes that every believer is *baptized* into the Body of Christ (which goes way beyond the local assembly).
So the true teaching would be to explain this to the new convert, and then let him/her know that they are welcome to be in full fellowship in that local church, but not through their water baptism.
I could go on to refute many of your comments, but I will refrain from that. It is up to every Christian to not only read those Scriptures, but also meditate on them in the light of the entire doctrine.
1. It's not a integral part of the Gospel since the Gospel is about Jesus' death burial and resurrection. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Nowhere in that passage is baptism is used. What Baptism is a symbol of the Gospel just like how a wedding ring is a symbol of a marriage, but not the marriage itself. You have a ring to signify you are marriaged just like that our baptism is there to signify we have believed on Jesus as our personal saviour.1. Water baptism must be an integral part of the Gospel (Mt 28:18-20; Mk 16:16,16).
2. According to the New Testament baptism is to be administered immediately after conversion (Acts 8:35-40), not days, weeks, months, or years later.
3. Any mature male Christian can baptize a new convert (Acts 9:10-19), not necessarily an ordained minister.
4. Water baptism is a command, not an option (Acts 10:44-48).
5. There is no extensive preparation or classes required prior to baptism (Acts 16:30-34).
6. Water baptism is a witness to the world that the a sinner has repented and been converted (Acts 2:38-41; 3:19).
7. Water baptism does not give access to local church member, but symbolically indicates membership in the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13).
8. Water baptism teaches the new believer that God is three Divine Persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- and it is in His name that the believer is baptized (Mt 28:19).
Did Peter preach the Gospel on the Day of Pentecost? Well baptism is an integral part of his message (Acts 2:32-38), and over 3,000 souls were baptized that day. Some people just like to argue with Scripture.It's not a integral part of the Gospel since the Gospel is about Jesus' death burial and resurrection.
Did Peter preach the Gospel on the Day of Pentecost? Well baptism is an integral part of his message (Acts 2:32-38), and over 3,000 souls were baptized that day. Some people just like to argue with Scripture.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. [RESURRECTION]
33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. [EXALTATION]
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, [AUTHORITY]
35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. [FUTURE COMING]
36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. [CRUCIFIXION AND LORDSHIP]
37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? [CONVICTION]
38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [WATER BAPTISM]
2. According to the New Testament baptism is to be administered immediately after conversion (Acts 8:35-40), not days, weeks, months, or years later.
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