From what law did Paul set us free?

[Gary K]

It has to do with not seeking a righteousness of your own by the works of the law but through faith in Christ, my self proclaimed rebellious friend.
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them. For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Eph 5:6-8

Who said anything about righteousness outside of Christ?

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Php 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

As we have received Christ we are to live by Him. i.e. by faith.

 

[Dahveed]

Who said anything about righteousness outside of Christ?

Attaboy. So that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom 5:21

As we have received Christ we are to live by Him. i.e. by faith.

To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue; 2 Peter 1:1-3

 

[Gary K]

Attaboy. So that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom 5:21

To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue; 2 Peter 1:1-3

What I just said is exactly the same message Studyman teaches. He is just far more longwinded than I am.

 

[Dahveed]

What I just said is exactly the same message Studyman teaches.

And what does he teach that those who reject Christ are workers of iniquity?

Those who "work iniquity" are those who "Hear" the sayings of the Christ of the Bible but do them not.

So that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Whoever believes in God's Son is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already; John 3:18

 

[Gary K]

And what does he teach that those who reject Christ are workers of iniquity?

So that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Whoever believes in God's Son is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already; John 3:18

I don't see that you displayed any misunderstanding of his position.

 

[Dahveed]

I don't see that you displayed any misunderstanding of his position.

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4:3-4

 

[Dahveed]

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith but we establish the law. ...

Which God said that in the New Testament He would speak to these people with stammering lips and another tongue saying this is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

They made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law; Zech 7:12
Therefore the wrath of the Lord fell upon them, and He has given them up to desolation; 2 Chron 29:8
Now do not be stiff-necked, as your fathers were, but yield yourselves to the Lord; and enter His sanctuary, [Ps 73:17]
which He has sanctified forever; 2 Chron 30:8

When a person has the Spirit that is their sabbath.

For a time I hid from you, [poured out My indignation on you Ezek 32:31] but I will show you ·mercy [compassion]
lovingkindness; loyalty; covenant love] forever,” says the Lord ·who saves you, your redeemer. Isa 54:8

For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. Rom 11:32-36

So let no person judge you of the sabbath days for it is spiritual ...

Such things are only a shadow of what is to come [Heb 9:11] and they have only symbolic value; but the substance [the reality of what is foreshadowed] Heb 7:16 is in Christ. Colossians 2:17

They have not distinguished between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them. Ezek 22:26

What God has cleansed, do not call impure. Acts 10:15 God purified their hearts by faith. Acts 15:8-9

To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; Titus 1:15

 

[Studyman]

And what does he teach that those who reject Christ are workers of iniquity?

So that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Whoever believes in God's Son is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already; John 3:18

What you are not hearing, is that those men "SAID" they believed in the Christ. They "Professed" that they believed in the Christ. But by their works, it is shown that they did not believe. As Paul also teaches.

They "profess" that they know God; but in works "they deny him", being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Men are judged by their "works", at least according to the Christ of the Bible.

Rev. 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

This is the same message from the beginning.

Gen. 4: 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Jesus is confirming this in Matt. 7. "Many" will say to ME, in that day, "Lord, Lord", which by definition means "we believe".

But the Jesus of the Bible says; "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So for a man to just "SAY" they believe, doesn't cut it, if a man considers all that is written.

 

[Dahveed]

What you are not hearing, is that those men "SAID" they believed in the Christ. They "Professed" that they believed in the Christ. But by their works, it is shown that they did not believe. As Paul also teaches.
They "profess" that they know God; but in works "they deny him", being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Men are judged by their "works", at least according to the Christ of the Bible.
Rev. 22: 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

What you fail to perceive is that reprobates turned away from Christ and will be judged on the basis of their own works.

This is the same message from the beginning.

Gen. 4: 7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Jesus is confirming this in Matt. 7. "Many" will say to ME, in that day, "Lord, Lord", which by definition means "we believe".

Claiming to believe and offering the sacrifice of Cain doesn't cut it.

By trusting, by believing Abel offered a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, God testified of him that he was righteous [ in right standing with God], God bore witness; Heb 11:4

But the Jesus of the Bible says; "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. God also testified ...by the Holy Spirit according to his will. Heb 2:3-4

So for a man to just "SAY" they believe, doesn't cut it, if a man considers all that is written.

If you considered all that is written Isa 41:20 we wouldn't be in disagreement. 'Has My hand not made all these things?’ Acts 7:49-51

I am speaking to the wise [walk wisely Eph 5:14-15] Judge for yourselves what I say. 1 Corinthians 10:13-17

What agreement does Christ have with the devil? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. 2 Corinthians 6:14-16

 

[guevaraj]

Not carnality but Christ
So do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all. Col 3:9-11

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday July 7, 2023 at 12:48 pm EDT! Christ in the flesh "is all and in all" as the best example of faith in obeying all the Ten Commandments that Judaism sabotaged, replacing God's commandments through the prophet Moses with their own human "law". For example, Judaism is cursed because instead of obeying God by learning to use His name properly, Judaism replaced God's Third Commandment with their own human "law" to not utter God's name at all, thus disobeying to learn to use God's name properly. Paul does not use the word "law" the way the translators force its use, as they also do with Jesus in the following passage. When Jesus is clearly referring to one of the Ten Commandments, the translators replace the word "commandment" with the word "law", which Jesus did not use in the following passage. Similarly, Paul uses the word "law" differently than the translators to refer to the "law" of human origin in Judaism, made clear when Paul compares Judaism to Hagar. Humans replaced Sarah with Hagar to give a son to Abraham when that is not what God wanted and did with the birth of Isaac through Sarah.

Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote, ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commandments from God.’ For you ignore God’s law/commandment and substitute your own tradition.” Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law/commandment in order to hold on to your own tradition. For instance, Moses gave you this law/commandment from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.” (Mark 7:6-13 NLT fixed)​

That Judaism replaced God's righteousness in the Ten Commandments with their own righteousness in Judaism's human "law" is said clearly by Jesus above and by Paul in the following passage.

Dear brothers and sisters, the longing of my heart and my prayer to God is for the people of Israel to be saved. I know what enthusiasm they have for God, but it is misdirected zeal. For they don’t understand God’s way of making people right with himself. Refusing to accept God’s way (the Ten Commandments), they cling to their own way (of human law replacing God's Ten Commandments) of getting right with God. For Christ is the accomplished purpose (our best in the flesh example of how to obey the Ten Commandments) for which the law (of Judaism) was established to do. As a result, all who believe in him (doing what Jesus asks in obeying the Eleven Commandments) are made right with God. (Romans 10:1-4 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

Paul's use of the word "law" to refer to the "law" of human origin in Judaism is made clear in the following passage when Paul compares Judaism to Hagar. Humans replaced Sarah with Hagar to give a son to Abraham when that is not what God wanted and did with the birth of Isaac through Sarah.

Tell me, you who want to live under the law (of Judaism that does not remove sin), do you know what the law actually says? (The "law" says what is sin) The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife. The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise (to remove sin from our character). But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise. These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where the people were enslaved (Judaism is enslaved in sin because they sabotaged God's law to not remove sin). And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery (to sin) to the law (added by the translators, not found in the original). But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman (free from sin), and she is our mother (Sarah). As Isaiah said, “Rejoice, O childless woman (Sarah), you who have never given birth! Break into a joyful shout, you who have never been in labor! For the desolate woman (Sarah) now has more children than the woman (Hagar) who lives with her husband!” And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise (the promise to remove sin from our character), just like Isaac. But you are now being persecuted by those who want you to keep the law (of Judaism that does not remove sin), just as Ishmael, the child born by human effort, persecuted Isaac, the child born by the power of the Spirit. But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman (Hagar); we are children of the free woman (Sarah). (Galatians 4:21-31 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith but we establish the law. And the law is good, just, holy, and spiritual. Which are the laws of love, moral laws, for they never depart. Which a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the lusts and affections, and show the ways of the Spirit. And God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able and will give them an escape from the temptation. We always have to obey the laws of love, moral laws, which the 10 commandments are laws of love, moral laws,

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday July 7, 2023 at 12:48 pm EDT! You know that the Ten Commandments include the Sabbath in the Fourth commandment. The bishops of Rome replaced the Sabbath with Sunday. The Sabbath that Paul tells us in the book of Hebrews is different than the days of the week, falling in Jerusalem half a day before the seventh day of the week.

Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way nailing them to His cross for they were contrary to us which means they had no bearing on spiritual salvation.

Jesus took the human traditions in Judaism out of the way. However, God's commandments continue! The shadows that were symbols of their reality in Jesus are replaced with their reality after the Father put Jesus as our High Priest. We no longer turn to an earthly temple for the forgiveness of sins through animal sacrifices, but to the true heavenly temple where we gain forgiveness of sins through praying to our High Priest Jesus. This daily worship of Jesus as our High Priest was cast down to earth in the confessional by the bishops of Rome in our fallen mother church. The word "sacrifices" crossed out after the word "daily", is not in the original and was added to the Septuagint Hebrew to Greek translation. The translators, thinking they were helping, when Jesus' many "daily" forgivenesses do not cause Him to die over and over again, to forgive our past sins when we turn daily in prayer to Jesus for the many forgivenesses of our past sins, like the death of so many animal sacrifices in the stand-in earthly temple "copy" before the Father placed Jesus as our High Priest. Jesus' single death validates all His forgivenesses prior and subsequent to His death in his daily service as our High Priest in the heavenly temple.

It even challenged the Commander of heaven’s army by canceling the daily sacrifices offered to him and by destroying his Temple. The army of heaven was restrained from responding to this rebellion. So the daily sacrifice was halted, and truth was overthrown. The horn succeeded in everything it did. Then I heard two holy ones talking to each other. One of them asked, “How long will the events of this vision last? How long will the rebellion that causes desecration stop the daily sacrifices? How long will the Temple and heaven’s army be trampled on?” (Daniel 8:11-13 NLT)​

So let no person judge you of the sabbath days for it is spiritual now and not a physical sabbath. When a person has the Spirit that is their sabbath.

If you read on you will see that Paul is talking about "human teachings" and not about God's commandments which Jesus asks us to keep in the new covenant. Judaism since Joshua has not kept the true Sabbath that Paul corrects in Hebrews under the new covenant. "Human teachings" that "provide no help in conquering a person's evil desires" and not Jesus' Eleven Commandments in the new covenant given to provide "help in conquering a person's evil desires".

You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires. (Colossians 2:20-23 NLT)​

Which God said that in the New Testament He would speak to these people with stammering lips and another tongue saying this is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. Some people do not want to hear that it is a spiritual sabbath now and tell people to keep the physical sabbath but the Bible says let no person tell you to keep the physical sabbath. The physical sabbath is for this Earth and Jesus went away to prepare a new place for the saints which is the new Earth so the saints celebrate that Earth which is spiritual. Which the Bible says the saints are strangers on this Earth and seek a new home which is heavenly.

You have it backwards! What people do not want to hear is Paul's message in Hebrews that God wants them to correct His "day" of rest, ready since he made the world. The Jews have a human tradition for the Sabbath that is only correct in Jerusalem and nowhere else. Here in the United States Judaism's human tradition about the Sabbath is wrong and does not enter the Sabbath, ready since he made the world. Jesus used Paul in Hebrews to correct the Sabbath, now that Christians are spread throughout the world and are no longer tied to the temple in Jerusalem. Judaism's tradition does enter the Sabbath in Jerusalem even though they have not understood the "day" of the week established in Genesis as different than the Sabbath in Jerusalem since Joshua.

God’s promise of entering his rest (ready since he made the world) still stands (as taught for 40 years in the desert not to be the same as the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem), so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it (by failing to correct the error in Judaism since Joshua). For this good news—that God has prepared this rest (ready since he made the world)—has been announced to us (by Paul in the book of Hebrews) just as it was to them (having been taught for 40 years in the desert that the Sabbath is not the same as the seventh day of the week near Jerusalem). But it did them (like Joshua) no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God (which blinded them to the fact that the Sabbath in Jerusalem is not the same as the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem). For only we who believe (Paul's second chance to correct the Sabbath in the book of Hebrews) can enter his rest (on the true Sabbath worldwide fixed in the time zone of creation in Eden and not just a human tradition in Judaism correct in Jerusalem but nowhere else). As for the others (who perished in the desert), God said, “In my anger I took an oath (preventing the removal of the punishment even if God forgave them): ‘They will never enter my rest (ready since he made the world),’” even though this rest (on the Sabbath) has been ready since he made the world (having been established on the first week of creation in Eden). We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work” (establishing the Sabbath in Eden). But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest” (by "oath" God prevented them with Manna from entering the right Sabbath near Jerusalem). So God’s rest (ready since he made the world) is there for people to enter (when corrected from human error since Joshua), but those who first heard this good news (who died in the desert) failed to enter because they disobeyed God (being punished with manna for 40 years to prevent them from entering the correct Sabbath near Jerusalem). So God set another time for entering his rest (ready since he made the world), and that time is today (through Paul's second chance to correct the Sabbath in the book of Hebrews). God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” (when you listen to the facts of the true seventh day of the week from morning to morning found in Genesis and in the story of Manna) Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest (ready since he made the world), God would not have spoken about another day (which is a half a day earlier than the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem) of rest (ready since he made the world) still to come. (when Judaism's human tradition that the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem is corrected from human error recognizing that it falls in Jerusalem a half day before the seventh day of the week). So there is a special rest (where the Sabbath is not the same as the seventh day of the week) still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest (ready since he made the world) have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world (giving us a fixed Sabbath in the time zone of creation in Eden). So let us do our best to enter that rest (ready since he made the world). But if we disobey God (keeping the human tradition in Judaism), as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (because the Sabbath is foundational in the new covenant in giving certainty over many other truths in the Bible that prepare us for Jesus' soon return) (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Where did you come up with the idea that Paul set us free from God's law? Paul said the following:

1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday July 7, 2023 at 12:48 pm EDT! Paul did not set us free from God's law! However, many believe he did in the following passage, where Paul uses "law" alone differently than most understand it, referring to the "law" of human origin in Judaism when he compares Judaism to Hagar. Humans replaced Sarah with Hagar to give a son to Abraham when that is not what God wanted and did with the birth of Isaac through Sarah.

Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law (of Judaism), does that mean we can go on sinning (lawlessness)? Of course not (don't misunderstand God's grace)! Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey (sin or God)? You can be a slave to sin (lawlessness), which leads to death (like Judaism's example of sabotaging God's Ten Commandments to not remove sin), or you can choose to obey God (Eleven Commandments), which leads to righteous living (freedom from sin). Thank God (Jesus's many forgivenesses as our High Priest allowing us to grow in obedience through practice of the Eleven Commandments)! Once you were slaves of sin (lawlessness), but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you (Eleven Commandments). Now you are free from your slavery to sin (when you obey God's Eleven Commandments), and you have become slaves to righteous living (obeying the Eleven Commandments). (Romans 6:15-18 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

Paul is actually referring with the word "law" above to the human "law" in Judaism that stopped God's "order" through the prophets like Moses from removing sin from their character. For example, Judaism is cursed because instead of obeying God by learning to use His name properly, Judaism replaced God's Third Commandment with their own human "law" to not utter God's name at all, thus disobeying to learn to use God's name properly. Judaism did not obey the Ten Commandments when they replaced God's Ten Commandments with their own human law. The following two passages attest to them replacing God's Ten commandments with their own human "law". Paul does not use the word "law" the way the translators force its use, as they also do with Jesus in the following passage. When Jesus is clearly referring to one of the Ten Commandments, the translators replace the word "commandment" with the word "law", which Jesus did not use in the following passage.

Jesus replied, “You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote, ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commandments from God.’ For you ignore God’s law/commandment and substitute your own tradition.” Then he said, “You skillfully sidestep God’s law/commandment in order to hold on to your own tradition. For instance, Moses gave you this law/commandment from God: ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ In this way, you let them disregard their needy parents. And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition. And this is only one example among many others.” (Mark 7:6-13 NLT fixed)​

That Judaism replaced God's righteousness in the Ten Commandments with their own righteousness in Judaism's human "law", is said clearly by Jesus above and by Paul in the following passage.

Dear brothers and sisters, the longing of my heart and my prayer to God is for the people of Israel to be saved. I know what enthusiasm they have for God, but it is misdirected zeal. For they don’t understand God’s way of making people right with himself. Refusing to accept God’s way (the Ten Commandments), they cling to their own way (of human law replacing God's Ten Commandments) of getting right with God. For Christ is the accomplished purpose (our best in the flesh example of how to obey the Ten Commandments) for which the law (of Judaism) was established to do. As a result, all who believe in him (doing what Jesus asks in obeying the Eleven Commandments) are made right with God. (Romans 10:1-4 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

Paul's use of the word "law" to refer to the "law" of human origin in Judaism is made clear in the following passage when Paul compares Judaism to Hagar. Humans replaced Sarah with Hagar to give a son to Abraham when that is not what God wanted and did with the birth of Isaac through Sarah.

Tell me, you who want to live under the law (of Judaism that does not remove sin), do you know what the law actually says? (The "law" says what is sin) The Scriptures say that Abraham had two sons, one from his slave wife and one from his freeborn wife. The son of the slave wife was born in a human attempt to bring about the fulfillment of God’s promise (to remove sin from our character). But the son of the freeborn wife was born as God’s own fulfillment of his promise. These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where the people were enslaved (Judaism is enslaved in sin because they sabotaged God's law to not remove sin). And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery (to sin) to the law (added by the translators, not found in the original). But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman (free from sin), and she is our mother (Sarah). As Isaiah said, “Rejoice, O childless woman (Sarah), you who have never given birth! Break into a joyful shout, you who have never been in labor! For the desolate woman (Sarah) now has more children than the woman (Hagar) who lives with her husband!” And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise (the promise to remove sin from our character), just like Isaac. But you are now being persecuted by those who want you to keep the law (of Judaism that does not remove sin), just as Ishmael, the child born by human effort, persecuted Isaac, the child born by the power of the Spirit. But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman (Hagar); we are children of the free woman (Sarah). (Galatians 4:21-31 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Dahveed]

What you fail to perceive is that reprobates turned away from Christ and will be judged on the basis of their own works.
Claiming to believe and offering the sacrifice of Cain doesn't cut it.
By trusting, by believing Abel offered a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, God testified of him that he was righteous [ in right standing with God], God bore witness; Heb 11:4
How shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. God also testified ...by the Holy Spirit according to his will. Heb 2:3-4
If you considered all that is written Isa 41:20 we wouldn't be in disagreement. 'Has My hand not made all these things?’ Acts 7:49-51
I am speaking to the wise [walk wisely Eph 5:14-15] Judge for yourselves what I say. 1 Corinthians 10:13-17
What agreement does Christ have with the devil? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. 2 Corinthians 6:14-16

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday July 7, 2023 at 12:48 pm EDT!
Dear brothers and sisters, the longing of my heart and my prayer to God is for the people of Israel to be saved. I know what enthusiasm they have for God, but it is misdirected zeal. For they don’t understand God’s way of making people right with himself. Refusing to accept God’s way (the Ten Commandments), they cling to their own way (of human law replacing God's Ten Commandments) of getting right with God. For Christ is the accomplished purpose (our best in the flesh example of how to obey the Ten Commandments) for which the law (of Judaism) was established to do. As a result, all who believe in him (doing what Jesus asks in obeying the Eleven Commandments) are made right with God. (Romans 10:1-4 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)

Anyone who seeks to keep all of the Law but fails at one point is guilty of breaking them all. James 2:10

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Ye must be born again hymn

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; 1 John 5:1
Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; 1 Peter 1:21

Whether the wrath of the storm-tossed sea,
Or struggles or evil, whatever it be,
No water can swallow the ship where lies
the Master of ocean and earth and skies:
They all shall sweetly abide in peace.
"Peace, be still! Peace, be still!"

Peace! Peace! wonderful peace,
Coming down from the Father above;
Sweep over my spirit forever, I pray,
In fathomless billows of love.

___________________________________________________________________________________________________
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights,
who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1:17

 

[Gary K]

Anyone who seeks to keep all of the Law but fails at one point is guilty of breaking them all. James 2:10

Ye must be born again hymn

Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God; 1 John 5:1
Through Him you believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and glorified Him; 1 Peter 1:21

Whether the wrath of the storm-tossed sea,
Or struggles or evil, whatever it be,
No water can swallow the ship where lies
the Master of ocean and earth and skies:
They all shall sweetly abide in peace.
"Peace, be still! Peace, be still!"

Peace! Peace! wonderful peace,
Coming down from the Father above;
Sweep over my spirit forever, I pray,
In fathomless billows of love.

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Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights,
who does not change like shifting shadows. James 1:17

That is kind of an odd text for you to quote because the underlying argument in all of your posts on the law of God is that God has changed and He no longer requires us to obey the 4th commandment.

 

[Dahveed]

Such things are only a shadow of what is to come [Heb 9:11] and they have only symbolic value; but the substance [the reality of what is foreshadowed] Heb 7:16 is in Christ. Colossians 2:17

What God has cleansed, do not call impure. Acts 10:15 God purified their hearts by faith. Acts 15:8-9

To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; Titus 1:15

That is kind of an odd text for you to quote because the underlying argument in all of your posts on the law of God is that God has changed and He no longer requires us to obey the 4th commandment.

What I have repeatedly posted is that it is fulfilled in Christ, the Lord of the sabbath. Jesus who sanctifies and those who are sanctified [spiritually transformed, made holy, and set apart for God’s purpose] are all from one Father; Heb 2:11

Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken
nor my covenant of peace be removed,” says the Lord, who loves you. Isa 54:10

 

[Gary K]

What I have repeatedly posted is that it is fulfilled in Christ, the Lord of the sabbath. Jesus who sanctifies and those who are sanctified [spiritually transformed, made holy, and set apart for God’s purpose] are all from one Father; Heb 2:11

Though the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken
nor my covenant of peace be removed,” says the Lord, who loves you. Isa 54:10

I'm sorry, but that does not mitigate my comment. It's still true that everything you say about the law of God is based upon the idea that God has changed His purposes. You're making the Bible argue with itself. If the Bible is all true it cannot argue with itself. That's an impossibility. Truth is as eternal as God Himself for God is eternal.

 

[Dahveed]

I'm sorry, but that does not mitigate my comment.

Are you referring to this comment?

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Gary K said:​

That is kind of an odd text for you to quote because the underlying argument in all of your posts on the law of God is that God has changed...​

It's still true that everything you say about the law of God is based upon the idea that God has changed His purposes.

Not at all.
You are the same, And Your years have no end. Psalm 102:26-28

You're making the Bible argue with itself.

That's nonsense. It's clearly unconverted men who are baffled. Those who rely on flesh cannot please God. Rom 8:6-9
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them; 1 Cor 2:14

If the Bible is all true it cannot argue with itself. That's an impossibility.

“If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” Mark 9:23

Truth is as eternal as God Himself for God is eternal.

God's Eternal Purpose
God made known His eternal purpose that He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. Eph 3:11
And being rooted and established in love, may you have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Eph 3:17-21

 

[Gary K]

Are you referring to this comment?

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Gary K said:​

That is kind of an odd text for you to quote because the underlying argument in all of your posts on the law of God is that God has changed...​

Not at all.
You are the same, And Your years have no end. Psalm 102:26-28

That's nonsense. It's clearly unconverted men who are baffled. Those who rely on flesh cannot please God. Rom 8:6-9
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them; 1 Cor 2:14

“If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” Mark 9:23

God's Eternal Purpose
God made known His eternal purpose that He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. Eph 3:11
And being rooted and established in love, may you have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Eph 3:17-21

I still disagree although I agree with every text you quoted. Here's why. You claim the Sabbath commandment was done away with because it was a Jewish commandment and the meaning was changed in the NT. Since God does not change you are making scripture argue with itself.

 

[Dahveed]

“If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.” Mark 9:23

God's Eternal Purpose
God made known His eternal purpose that He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. Eph 3:11

I still disagree although I agree with every text you quoted. Here's why. You claim the Sabbath commandment was done away with because it was a Jewish commandment and the meaning was changed in the NT.

If you agreed that in Christ we have eternal life, you would understand that it was fulfilled in Christ not done away with as you claim.
He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey/believe Him. Heb 5:9

Since God does not change you are making scripture argue with itself.

See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, Anyone who ·trusts [believes; has faith] in him will never be ·disappointed [will never be put to shame; Is. 28:16]. 1 Peter 2:4-6

Such things are only a shadow of what is to come [Heb 9:11] and they have only symbolic value; but the substance [the reality of what is foreshadowed] Heb 7:16 is in Christ. Colossians 2:17
What I have repeatedly posted is that it is fulfilled in Christ, the Lord of the sabbath. Jesus who sanctifies and those who are sanctified [spiritually transformed, made holy, and set apart for God’s purpose] are all from one Father; Heb 2:11

 

[Gary K]

If you agreed that in Christ we have eternal life, you would understand that it was fulfilled in Christ not done away with as you claim.
He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey/believe Him. Heb 5:9

See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, Anyone who ·trusts [believes; has faith] in him will never be ·disappointed [will never be put to shame; Is. 28:16]. 1 Peter 2:4-6

Where have I claimed the 4th commandment, or any of the 10, have been done away with as you said in what I emphasized in your post?