From what law did Paul set us free?

[OldAbramBrown]

Brothers and ... Jesus, Jorge

False dichotomy in poll.

Paul, Holy Spirit (Whom only a few in any denomination believe in) and Jesus, teach MEANING in Scriptures.

Should we be curious we'll realise we are set free not only from the letter of Hebrew law -

AND ALSO from Roman law which was stoical and materialist.

 

[Gary K]

False dichotomy in poll.

Paul, Holy Spirit (Whom only a few in any denomination believe in) and Jesus, teach MEANING in Scriptures.

Should we be curious we'll realise we are set free not only from the letter of Hebrew law -

AND ALSO from Roman law which was stoical and materialist.

I don't understand your point. We are under the condemnation of a law only after we have violated it.

 

[Dahveed]

Where have I claimed the 4th commandment, or any of the 10, have been done away with as you said in what I emphasized in your post?

The issue is that you disregard that the law was fulfilled in Christ as He plainly stated Matt 5:17, confirmed by those who heard, Heb 2:3, and you go off on a tangent attributing your false notions onto others:

Gary K said:​

I still disagree although I agree with every text you quoted. Here's why. You claim the Sabbath commandment was done away ...​

Again, the believers rest is found in Christ.
After that, He appeared to two of them in another form ...Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table and He rebuked their unbelief ...[As many as I love, I rebuke Rev 3:19, Do not be discouraged when He rebukes you Heb 12:5] [Psalm 94:12 Prov 3:12] We are corrected, so that we are not condemned with unbelievers 1 Cor 11:32].
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved;
but he who does not believe will be condemned; Mark 16:12-16 [They could not enter in because of unbelief. Heb 3:14-19]

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

LOL, Paul did not set us free from any law.

 

[Gary K]

The issue is that you disregard that the law was fulfilled in Christ as He plainly stated, Matt 5:17 and you go off on a tangent attributing your false notions onto others,

Gary K said:​

I still disagree although I agree with every text you quoted. Here's why. You claim the Sabbath commandment was done away ...​

Again, the believers rest is found in Christ.
After that, He appeared to two of them in another form ...
Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table and He rebuked their unbelief ...[Do not be discouraged when He rebukes you Heb 12:5]
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned; Mark 16:12-16 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief. Heb 3:14-19

I think you misinterpret much of scripture and even the words of Jesus. The following scripture is take from the words of Jesus to His disciples, before His death, when He is telling them what the signs of the end will be.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

 

[Dahveed]

I think you misinterpret much of scripture and even the words of Jesus.

Because I live, you will live also; John 14:18-20

The following scripture is take from the words of Jesus to His disciples, before His death, when He is telling them what the signs of the end will be.

But he who endures will be saved. Matt 24:13

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel; 2 Tim 2:8 2 Tim 2:11-12
And you are witnesses of these things; Luke 24:46-48 As is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given Acts 5:31-32

And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation; 2 Peter 1:19-21

 

[Gary K]

Because I live, you will live also; John 14:18-20

But he who endures will be saved. Matt 24:13

Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel; 2 Tim 2:8
This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. 2 Tim 2:11-12

And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation; 2 Peter 1:19-21

Once again, you ignore scripture you don't like. You say Jesus' law is old covenanr and refuse to accept the 4th commandment as binding on yourself but I demonstrated from scripture that Jesus told His disciples to spread the gospel to the entire world before His death, burial, and ressurection. It's your right to believe what you want to believe but remember the consequences if you're wrong

.Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

I have to tell you if I care about others and myself.

Eze 33:7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
Eze 33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Eze 33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

 

[Dahveed]

Because I live, you will live also; John 14:18-20

Remember that Jesus Christ, of the seed of David, was raised from the dead according to my gospel; 2 Tim 2:8 2 Tim 2:11-12
And you are witnesses of these things; Luke 24:46-48 As is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given Acts 5:31-32
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation; 2 Peter 1:19-21

Once again, you ignore scripture you don't like. You say Jesus' law is old covenanr and refuse to accept the 4th commandment as binding on yourself

They returned and rested on the sabbath according to the commandment. Luke 23:56

but I demonstrated from scripture that Jesus told His disciples to spread the gospel to the entire world before His death, burial, and ressurection.

Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory? Luke 24:25-27

It's your right to believe what you want to believe but remember the consequences if you're wrong.

And if Christ has not been raised, you are then found to be false witnesses and you're still in your sins. 1 Cor 15:14-17

I have to tell you if I care about others and myself.

But the firm foundation laid by God [in Zion] stands, sure and unshaken, bearing this seal (inscription): The Lord knows those who belong to Him, and, Let everyone who calls on the name of the Lord turn from iniquity; 2 Tim 2:19

 

[Gary K]

They returned and rested on the sabbath according to the commandment. Luke 23:56

Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory? Luke 24:25-27

And if Christ has not been raised, you are then found to be false witnesses and you're still in your sins. 1 Cor 15:14-17

But the firm foundation laid by God [in Zion] stands, sure and unshaken, bearing this seal (inscription): The Lord knows those who belong to Him, and, Let everyone who calls on the name of the Lord turn from iniquity; 2 Tim 2:19

Once again I believe every scripture you quoted. The only problem I have with them is your interpretation. Jesus told His disciples before His death burial and resurrection to take His gospel to the world. I know of very few people who think the new covenant started before His death, burial and resurrection. I guess you're one of them.

 

[Dahveed]

Once again I believe every scripture you quoted. The only problem I have with them is your interpretation. Jesus told His disciples before His death burial and resurrection to take His gospel to the world. I know of very few people who think the new covenant started before His death, burial and resurrection. I guess you're one of them.

You guessed wrong once again.
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Heb 9:14-15

 

[Gary K]

You guessed wrong once again.
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Heb 9:14-15

Guessed?

 

[OldAbramBrown]

I don't understand your point. We are under the condemnation of a law only after we have violated it.

Protestant and non-protestant religion for the last century at least, is overwhelmingly stoical and materialistic (in my experience and observation) (functional unbelief in Holy Spirit dual action and thus in Jesus) and we are constantly reminded how we don't live up to that. We are so inured that we don't analyse it that way. The equally strong current in Jesus and Paul is against "muscular christianity". If you have lived in and seen a pocket that is better balanced count your blessings, but don't generalise the blessings (in your mental picture) to everyone else in churches.

 

[Dahveed]

You guessed wrong once again.
For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Heb 9:14-15

Guessed?

They shall come, and shall be joined to the Lord by an everlasting covenant, which shall never be forgotten. Jer 50:5

 

[Gary K]

Protestant and non-protestant religion for the last century at least, is overwhelmingly stoical and materialistic (in my experience and observation) (functional unbelief in Holy Spirit dual action and thus in Jesus) and we are constantly reminded how we don't live up to that. We are so inured that we don't analyse it that way. The equally strong current in Jesus and Paul is against "muscular christianity". If you have lived in and seen a pocket that is better balanced count your blessings, but don't generalise the blessings (in your mental picture) to everyone else in churches.

I don't do that, I simply defend the Biblical truths I love. Anyone who wants to disagree with me is free to do so as God so loves all of us He has given His entire creation the ability to choose what they believe. How can I not do that?

 

[Dahveed]

I don't do that, I simply defend the Biblical truths I love.

For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time; 1 Timothy 2:5-7

Anyone who wants to disagree with me is free to do so as God so loves all of us He has given His entire creation the ability to choose what they believe. How can I not do that?

Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a Servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers, and that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy, Romans 15:7-9

 

[Dahveed]

For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all,
[to be testified in due time; 1 Timothy 2:5-7 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you; 1 Cor 1:6]

Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a Servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers, and that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy, Romans 15:7-9

There is a text which tells us Jesus is our sanctification.

There's bound to be more than one text.
For them I sanctify Myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. John 17:19
Which is why He is not ashamed to call them brethren; Heb 2:11 Mark 8:38

 

[Gary K]

There's bound to be more than one text.
For them I sanctify Myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. John 17:19
Which is why He is not ashamed to call them brethren; Heb 2:11

There are texts in both the OT and NT that tell us this.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Lev 20:8 And ye shall keep my statutes, and do them: I am the LORD which sanctify you.

Eze 36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

These are just some of the texts in which the word sanctify is used.
There are a lot more in which different words are used that signify the same meaning.

Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Paul uses the same terminology in Colossians.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

The concept of being made righteous, sanctified, by faith in Jesus is found throughout scripture.

 

[Dahveed]

For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all,
[to be testified in due time; 1 Timothy 2:5-7 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you; 1 Cor 1:6]
Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. Now I say that Jesus Christ has become a Servant to the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made to the fathers, and that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy, Rom 15:7-9
There's bound to be more than one text. For them I sanctify Myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. John 17:19
Which is why He is not ashamed to call them brethren; Heb 2:11 Mark 8:38

The concept of being made righteous, sanctified, by faith in Jesus is found throughout scripture.

Indeed. In order to open their eyes, to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. Acts 26:18

 

[guevaraj]

Anyone who seeks to keep all of the Law but fails at one point is guilty of breaking them all. James 2:10

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday July 14, 2023 at 12:46 pm EDT! Failing many times is not a problem because Jesus' many forgivenesses as our High Priest in the true heavenly temple can give us as many chances as we need to grow in obedience to Jesus' Eleven Commandments. We grow in obedience as a child who learns to walk by getting up again and again until he no longer falls. This is what Paul means by "slavery" to righteous living. "Slavery" refers to mastery through practice like one learns to play the piano. You do not master the piano in one sitting. Jesus' many forgivenesses as our High Priest, allow us to master our obedience to the Eleven Commandments through practice. Practice granted through Jesus' many forgivenesses as our High Priest in the true heavenly temple, for which the earthly temple, with animal sacrifices, was a stand in copy until the Father put Jesus as our High Priest in the true heavenly temple. Paul wants us to be slaves to Jesus' Eleven Commandments and not to Judaism's human replacement "law" for Jesus' Ten Commandments that stop the removal of sin from our character, which the true Ten commandments remove when obeyed. For example, Judaism is cursed because instead of obeying God by learning to use His name properly, Judaism replaced God's Third Commandment with their own human "law" to not utter God's name at all, thus disobeying to learn to use God's name properly.

Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law (of Judaism), does that mean we can go on sinning (lawlessness)? Of course not (don't misunderstand God's grace)! Don’t you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey (sin or God)? You can be a slave to sin (lawlessness), which leads to death (like Judaism's example of sabotaging God's Ten Commandments to not remove sin), or you can choose to obey God (Eleven Commandments), which leads to righteous living (freedom from sin). Thank God (Jesus' many forgivenesses as our High Priest allowing us to grow in obedience through practice of the Eleven Commandments)! Once you were slaves of sin (lawlessness), but now you wholeheartedly obey this teaching we have given you (Eleven Commandments). Now you are free from your slavery to sin (when you obey God's Eleven Commandments), and you have become slaves to righteous living (obeying the Eleven Commandments). (Romans 6:15-18 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Dahveed]

Brother, happy Sabbath, starting this Friday July 14, 2023 at 12:46 pm EDT! Failing many times is not a problem because Jesus' many forgivenesses as our High Priest in the true heavenly temple can give us as many chances as we need to grow in obedience to Jesus' Eleven Commandments.

For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, sought to establish their own righteousness, ...

Well then, since God’s grace has set us free from the law (of Judaism), does that mean we can go on sinning (lawlessness)? Of course not (don't misunderstand God's grace)! ​

For Christ is the culmination/fulfillment of the law so that everyone who believes in him may be right with God [reconciled] Rom 10:3-4

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Awake to righteousness 1 Cor 15:34
Now that faith has come, you have been clothed in Christ's righteousness; you have put on Christ. Gal 3:25-29
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers.
Take My yoke and you will find rest for your souls.