Friends of yours watch Heaven Is For Real and ask you about it?

[Jesus is YHWH]

Sorry but none of those passages teach that. You already believe it when you come to the text so it seems that way to you. None of these passages tell us that dead people are conscious. They're called the dead because they're dead.

One passage of scripture exposes what you believe on this topic is false.

The Transfiguration- Jesus conversed with Moses and Elijah and was witnessed by Peter, John and James.

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[Lost4words]

Really?You think saying dead people are dead is strange?

So, when Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus they were just an illusion?
When Jesus went down to Hades to preach the Gospel who was He preaching to?

What about the rich man in Hell looking up to Heaven?

 

[Butch5]

Like Burger King says you can have it your way.

I can’t convince you of the truth. God must open your eyes.

The Bible never mentions the “ Trinity “ either but nevertheless it’s implied and it’s true.

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If you'd like I'll gladly go through each passage with you and show you how, in context these passages aren't saying the dead are alive. Just pick which one you'd like to start with.

 

[Butch5]

One passage of scripture exposes what you believe on this topic is false.

The Transfiguration- Jesus conversed with Moses and Elijah and was witnessed by Peter, John and James.

hope this helps !!!

If you look at that passage that you quoted from Mathew you'll see that Jesus said it was a vision. It wasn't really there. They saw a vision of Christ's second coming. Peter tells us this in his second epistle.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation

 

[Butch5]

So, when Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus they were just an illusion?
When Jesus went down to Hades to preach the Gospel who was He preaching to?

What about the rich man in Hell looking up to Heaven?

If you read Mathews account of the Transfiguration you'll see that Jesus called it a vision. According to Peter it was the second coming of Christ.

Jesus didn't preach to anyone in Hades. If you look at the word order you'll see that it says, He died, rose, then went to make the proclamation. The proclamation was made to Angel's and demons not people. That's in the passage.

The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable. It's about the judgment that was to come on the Jewish leadership.

 

[Lost4words]

If you read read Mathews account of the Transfiguration you'll see that Jesus called it a vision. According to Peter it was the second coming of Christ.

Jesus didn't preach to anyone in Hades. If you look at the word order you'll see that it says, He died, rose, then went to make the proclamation. The proclamation was made to Angel's and demons not people. That's in the passage.

The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable. It's about the judgment that was to come on the Jewish leadership.

 

[Butch5]

It's all there

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

If you look at that passage that you quoted from Mathew you'll see that Jesus said it was a vision. It wasn't really there. They saw a vision of Christ's second coming. Peter tells us this in his second epistle.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation

I’ll address this when I’m off work

hope this helps !!!

 

[Butch5]

Wrong once again no vision but the reality that both Moses and Elijah appeared bodily and conversed with Jesus. That is Matthew’s account an actual appearance not a vision.

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Really?

And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
(Matt. 17:1-9 KJV)

As I said, Peter said that it was the second coming of Christ.

Which passage do you want to look at next?

 

[Lost4words]

Really?

And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
(Matt. 17:1-9 KJV)

As I said, Peter said that it was the second coming of Christ.

Which passage do you want to look at next?

Interpretation. You do so wrongly

 

[Butch5]

Interpretation. You do so wrongly

Is that you skirt passages that refute you beliefs?

 

[Lost4words]

Is that you skirt passages that refute you beliefs?

You read scripture with your own individual interpretation. You see it differently than i do.

 

[Butch5]

You read scripture with your own individual interpretation. You see it differently than i do.

No, I read it in context. I make my presuppositions line up with those of the Bible and then approach the text. The Bible tells us that the dead are dead. As such my presupposition is that the dead are dead. The Bible is easy to understand when our presuppositions are the same as what the Bible presents. The problem comes when we try to force our presuppositions onto the text. It's then that we have to claim things that oppose the Scriptures, things like saying the dead are alive.

 

[Lost4words]

No, I read it in context. I make my presuppositions line up with those of the Bible and then approach the text. The Bible tells us that the dead are dead. As such my presupposition is that the dead are dead. The Bible is easy to understand when our presuppositions are the same as what the Bible presents. The problem comes when we try to force our presuppositions onto the text. It's then that we have to claim things that oppose the Scriptures, things like saying the dead are alive.

You interpret it wrongly my dear friend.

God bless you

 

[Butch5]

You interpret it wrongly my dear friend.

God bless you

You keep saying that, but my interpretation aligns with Scripture. Yours doesn't.

 

[Lost4words]

You keep saying that, but my interpretation aligns with Scripture. Yours doesn't.

Yours aligns with your own 'individual' interpretation of what you 'think' scripture is saying

 

[Butch5]

Yours aligns with your own 'individual' interpretation of what you 'think' scripture is saying

Come on man. I said the dead are dead. The Scriptures indicate the dead are dead. You say the dead are alive. It's you who doesnt align with Scripture. If you did you'd be showing Scripture that teaches the dead are alive

 

[Lost4words]

Come on man. I said the dead are dead. The Scriptures indicate the dead are dead. You say the dead are alive. It's you who doesnt align with Scripture. If you did you'd be showing Scripture that teaches the dead are alive

So, the living, in Heaven, are not 'alive' with God?

 

[Butch5]

So, the living, in Heaven, are not 'alive' with God?

There are no people living in Heaven except Jesus and He was resurrected

 

[Lost4words]

There are no people living in Heaven except Jesus and He was resurrected

Waw! Lol

How can you believe that? What about the Saints and the multitude mentioned in Revelation?