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If you want to know all sides of the question, yes. I've learned quite a bit from talking to non-Christians. Cordially, Skip.morningstar2651 said:Let's say I have questions about Christianity. Should I seek my answers from an ex-Christian?
And which site might that be? And what was their stated reason? Cordially, Skip.Simpleman25 said:One Masonic site you were kicked off of was do to your inability to follow their rules.
Let's say I have questions about Christianity. Should I seek my answers from an ex-Christian?
In addition, Mr. Washum's objection to Masonry is purely personal. He doesn't think that any Christian can in good conscience listen to an invocation, such as all manner of civic organizations use, while in the company of members of other religions or denominations...or if that invocation does not use the name of Jesus.
And which site might that be? And what was their stated reason? Cordially, Skip.
I don't suppose there is some way to have a thread here for persons who want to ask Masons questions without our two anti-masonic gadflies seeking to derail the discussion?
.In addition, Mr. Washum's objection to Masonry is purely personal. He doesn't think that any Christian can in good conscience listen to an invocation, such as all manner of civic organizations use, while in the company of members of other religions or denominations...or if that invocation does not use the name of Jesus
Not totally true. Prayers in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work for me.
Yes, Masonry is an organization that allows men of different denominations and (some) different religions to belong.
Care to elaborate on "some"? Also, you might run that past Simple. He claims that anybody who is not a Christian is not allowed in his lodge.
To me, this situation does not pose an impediment to membership in a Masonic lodge, and I'm backed up in that by my own church, which has seen many members in leadership positions in Masonry.
I do admit that the church itself is very much to blame for the allowing of Masons to be members of their congregations without first renouncing Freemasonry. How does your church feel about having Mormons, Muslims, etc as members of its congregation?
Yes, and his view is not a very common view among Christians. The Lord's Prayer, Jesus example prayer to us, does not end "in Jesus' name."
I often end a prayer in church "in Jesus name" but I feel no requirement to do so nor do I always end prayer that way. There is no Bible passage which requires it and no orthodox Christian doctrine that does either.
Yes. As you know, monotheists who are NOT Christians are eligible for membership, although most Masons are Christians and the themes of Masonry very Christian. But it's equally true that people who cannot say that of their religious belief system are not eligible. Ergo, "some." I don't remember what Simpleman wrote about this.Care to elaborate on "some"? Also, you might run that past Simple. He claims that anybody who is not a Christian is not allowed in his lodge.
Freemasonry is not my church.I do admit that the church itself is very much to blame for the allowing of Masons to be members of their congregations without first renouncing Freemasonry. How does your church feel about having Mormons, Muslims, etc as members of its congregation?
If you want to know all sides of the question, yes. I've learned quite a bit from talking to non-Christians. Cordially, Skip.
No atheist can be a Mason. Masons do not care what your individual faith is -- that is a question between you and your God -- but we do require that a that a man believe in a Supreme Being.
Masonry insists on toleration -- on the right of each person to think for himself in religious, social and political matters.
Yes. As you know, monotheists who are NOT Christians are eligible for membership, although most Masons are Christians and the themes of Masonry very Christian. But it's equally true that people who cannot say that of their religious belief system are not eligible. Ergo, "some." I don't remember what Simpleman wrote about this.
Freemasonry is not my church.
Here are a couple of interesting statements from the website of the Grand Lodge of Oklahoma:
Sounds like it is saying that if a person claiming to be a Mason cares what another individual's faith is, he isn't really a Mason.
Unless, of course, a persons lodge doesn't WANT to be tolerant??
Just when I think I've seen it all.
So basically your complaints against masonry have to do with the exclusion of Jesus. So I come in and disprove your theory. You then come back and agree with masonry.
Pick a side strawman!
That's one of the biggest issues I have with you emfj cultist. You can't have it both ways!
Just when I think I've seen it all.
So basically your complaints against masonry have to do with the exclusion of Jesus. So I come in and disprove your theory. You then come back and agree with masonry.
Pick a side strawman!
That's one of the biggest issues I have with you emfj cultist. You can't have it both ways!
Not taking both sides of the issue, simply pointing out the hypocrisy of your own position regarding the inclusion of heathens in Freemasonry. I think your compression problem has resurfaced.
Thought I saw something on a forum somewhere, indicating that you are a pastor. Is that correct?
No I am not a pastor. Although a number of family members heard the calling, I never did. To listen to my uncle in particular, one would know if God chose them to speak the gospel. At 74 he can tell you everything about the day he was called to the pulpit.
My comprehension is just fine. What I can't comprehend is how you can't choose a side.
Yes, one of us is a pastor. Just isn't me.
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