Freemason

[gracechick]

True. But is evil in the will of God as a whole? The Lord in Bible and presently does use evil to adminster judgment or punishment, but I can't believe that is His desire.

 

[visionary]

If God were to tell you not to step off the cliff ...will be your ultimate death... then the devil comes along and says you can fly... leaving out the part of how... you step off the cliff in full faith that you will fly... God declares that it is his fault, for not telling you how... are you still going to blame him for your disobedience in the first place.

 

[Texas Lynn]

True. But is evil in the will of God as a whole? The Lord in Bible and presently does use evil to adminster judgment or punishment, but I can't believe that is His desire.

I can't either and I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic at hand.

 

[Sabbathiel]

As I stated before, there are no Masons after world power nor are they anti-Christian... Those who claimed such things have been conspiracy theorists and always on the look out for alien abductions...

However those who are anti-Christians are Atheists, as I have stated before, and they would love to silence all Christians... Just look at christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7237770&page=19 and see how they are... Crap, they posted porn on this Christian site making fun of people such as you...

 

[Texas Lynn]

As I stated before, there are no Masons after world power nor are they anti-Christian... Those who claimed such things have been conspiracy theorists and always on the look out for alien abductions...

None? Is Barak Obama a Prince Hall Mason? Gerald Ford was of a Lodge of the Grand Lodge of Michigan, Ronald Reagan an Honorary California Mason, both Bushes and John Kerry were Skull & Bones.

 

[Sabbathiel]

None? Is Barak Obama a Prince Hall Mason? Gerald Ford was of a Lodge of the Grand Lodge of Michigan, Ronald Reagan an Honorary California Mason, both Bushes and John Kerry were Skull & Bones.

You forgot George Washington too... But what other clubs did they belong to? Barak Obama is part of a Christian church too, so does that mean that the world should fear Christians? I bet those old Masons were apart of BMG, so lets fear the music industry...

I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but just making a point. You don't have to name off Masons or tell me about the society. I am a Mason, if you haven't read my long winded posts that I made earlier...

But if you believe that I'm going to take over the world, well be sure to convince my creditors of that. Perhaps they will leave me alone...

Also, tell the oil companies, I can use free gas. But I doubt they will believe it...

Anyway, nothing to fear from this group. Because men of different statuses in society belong to a club or group, does not mean they will rule the world. If so, then why didn't people like Hitler belong to it besides doing away with it? Also check out Stalin... Same deal... Now compare them to Washington. Kind of a big difference.

Those who were fascist were not Masons but those who wanted freedom and equality and fought for it, were Masons...

However, I will not debate the matter. I will discuss it and answer questions, but to debate and argue is pointless, as shown in a previous thread where Atheists just posted porn. Ridiculous...

 

[dreamingflower]

hmmm. interesting.
Gracechick. I took a few days of work to do my own research and it just creeped me out so bad. It is scary to see who is in the masonic. They are in it for one thing and that's power.
Many of those that are in it are rich and wealthy people.

 

[Jester4kicks]

hmmm. interesting.
Gracechick. I took a few days of work to do my own research and it just creeped me out so bad. It is scary to see who is in the masonic. They are in it for one thing and that's power.

It creeped you out? Why?

As for the idea that any mason is a mason for "power"... how does being a mason make a person powerful?

Many of those that are in it are rich and wealthy people.

Right, cause who would think that a person might be successful if they believe in good values, strong character, and high aspirations...

You really make it sound like a person is bad just because they're successful.

 

[gracechick]

hmmm. interesting.
Gracechick. I took a few days of work to do my own research and it just creeped me out so bad. It is scary to see who is in the masonic. They are in it for one thing and that's power.
Many of those that are in it are rich and wealthy people.

It is sort of a shock isn't it? I had heard bits and pieces, but it feels like lately the Lord has been showing me more. What a reminder to always pray for our leaders

 

[Jester4kicks]

It is sort of a shock isn't it? I had heard bits and pieces, but it feels like lately the Lord has been showing me more. What a reminder to always pray for our leaders

Really? A "shock"? What's so "shocking"?

 

[Joykins]

Freemasonry is a men's fraternal organization primarily composed of conservative businessmen.

Indeed. My grandfather-in-law, a staunch Presbyterian, was a Mason. Apparently he missed out of the world-controlling bit as he worked for the phone company his whole life.

"NWO" or "New World Order" is a concept of the changing world and the powers that run things most recently famously articulated by the elder George Bush in his nomination acceptance speech in 1988. It does, of course, date from the Enlightenment of which our Revolution and the French's were part. Indeed, the slogan on the back of the $1 bill "Novo Ordum Seculorum" (A New Order for the Ages) refers to American idealism to reform the world which more often fell short of the mark given our own checkered history. As Bush and others articulated it, it merely means "change is afoot; good things are happening and we're behind them". Opposition to the elite has often led to conspiracy theories attaching sinister motives to these articulations. No doubt the opposition to Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi's regime in Iran also railed against such elite-directed change. It's fun speculation but not a serious response to things. A power elite exists; it can be conservative and progressive as needed. More importantly, it can be influenced. speculation and fear is often as futile as any misapprehension that either the younger Bush or Barak Obama are antichrists.

The phrase originates in a line from Virgils Messianic Eclogue:

Ultima Cumaei venit iam carminis aetas;magnus ab integro saeclorum nascitur ordo.iam redit et Virgo, redeunt Saturnia regna,iam nova progenies caelo demittitur alto.

In translation


COME is the last of the ages, in song Cumæan foretold.
Now is the world’s grand cycle begun once more from of old.
Justice the Virgin comes, and the Saturn kingdom again;
Now from the skies is descending a new generation of men.
Thou to the boy in his birth, — upon whose first opening eyes
The iron age shall close, and a race that is golden arise, —
haste Lucina be kindly ! He reigns — thy Phœbus — to-day !
Thine to be Consul, thine, at a world’s bright ushering in,
Pollio, when the procession of nobler months shall begin;
Under thy rule all lingering traces of Italy’s sin,
Fading to naught, shall free us from fear’s perpetual sway.
Life of the gods shall be his, to behold with the gods in their might
Heroes immortal mingled, appear himself in their sight,
Rule with his Father’s virtues a world at peace from the sword.
Boy, for thine infant presents the earth unlabored shall bring
Ivies wild with foxglove around thee wreathing, and fling
Mixed with the laughing acanthus the lotus leaf on the sward;
Homeward at eve untended the goat shall come from the mead
Swelling with milk; flocks fearless of monstrous lions shall feed;
Even thy cradle blossom with tender flowers, and be gay.
Every snake shall perish; the treacherous poison weed
Die, and Assyrian spices arise unsown by the way.


When thou art able to read of the heroes’ glories, the bright
Deeds of thy sire, and to know what is manhood’s valor and might,
Plains will be turning golden, and wave with ripening corn;
Purple grapes shall blush on the tangled wilderness thorn;
Honey from hard-grained oaks be distilling pure as the dew;
Though of our ancient folly as yet shall linger a few
Traces, to bid us venture the deep, with walls to surround
Cities, and, restless ever, to cleave with furrows the ground.
Then shall another Tiphys, a later Argo to sea
Sail, with her heroes chosen; again great battles shall be;
Once more the mighty Achilles be sent to a second Troy.
Soon when strengthening years shall have made thee man from a boy,
Trader himself shall abandon the deep; no trafficking hull
Barter her wares; all regions of all things fair shall be full.
Glebe shall be free from the harrow, the vine no pruner fear;
Soon will the stalwart plowman release unneeded the steer.
Varied hues no longer the wool shall falsely assume.
Now to a blushing purple and now to the saffron’s bloom,
Cropping the meadow, the ram shall change his fleece at his need;
Crimsoning grasses color the lambs themselves as they feed.


“Ages blest, roll onward !” the Sisters of Destiny cried
Each to her spindle, agreeing by Fate’s firm will to abide.
Come to thy godlike honors; the time well-nigh is begun;
Offspring loved of immortals, of Jove great scion and son !
Lo, how the universe totters beneath heaven’s dome and its weight,
Land and the wide waste waters, the depths of the firmament great !
Lo, all nature rejoices to see this glorious day !
Ah, may the closing years of my life enduring be found, —
Breath sufficient be mine thy deeds of valor to sound; —
Orpheus neither nor Linus shall ever surpass my lay;
One with mother immortal, and one with sire, at his side,
To Orpheus Calliopeia, to Linus Apollo allied.
Pan, were he here competing, did all Arcadia see,
Pan, by Arcadia’s voice, should allow him vanquished of me.


Baby, begin thy mother to know, and to meet with a smile;
Ten long moons she has waited, and borne her burden the while.
Smile, my babe; to his feast no god has admitted the child,
Goddess none to his kisses, on whom no parent has smiled.



The Messianic eclogue, while ostensibly about an Augustus-like figure, was felt by early Christians to also foreshadow the birth of Christ. Thus Virgil's appearance in the Divine Comedy as the guide through Hell, he understood intuitively something about the Messianic era (compare the eclogue to the messianic passages in Isaiah, for example).

 

[Joykins]

hmmm. interesting.
Gracechick. I took a few days of work to do my own research and it just creeped me out so bad. It is scary to see who is in the masonic. They are in it for one thing and that's power.
Many of those that are in it are rich and wealthy people.

I'm not really sure if there's any difference between that and an Old Boy's Network. Remember the Simpsons episode where Homer joins the Stonecutters?

 

[Texas Lynn]

They are in it for one thing and that's power.
Many of those that are in it are rich and wealthy people.

Interestingly, in his book Hard-Living People and Mainstream Christians Tex Sample notes working class people believe the exact same thing about "Christians".

 

[Texas Lynn]

Indeed. My grandfather-in-law, a staunch Presbyterian, was a Mason. Apparently he missed out of the world-controlling bit as he worked for the phone company his whole life.

Considering how the Republicans are holding up the FISA bill to protect telecommunications companies from being sued over illegal monitoring of phone calls in national security investigations, concepts of fear and loathing of the old AT&T monopoly might be worth reconsidering.

 

[dreamingflower]

check out this post!

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7239523

 

[Jester4kicks]

check out this post!

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7239523

Sorry, I stopped reading after she started talking about her grandfathers using magic to stay dry in the rain and teleport from one place to another.

If you believe that, then no amount of common sense, logic, and reasoning could possibly have any affect on you.

Good luck with your fear.

 

[Sabbathiel]

Sorry, I stopped reading after she started talking about her grandfathers using magic to stay dry in the rain and teleport from one place to another.

If you believe that, then no amount of common sense, logic, and reasoning could possibly have any affect on you.

Good luck with your fear.

That was probably the biggest bunch of BS I've read so far. A little book of magic? A magic book? When did magic come into play in Masonry? Demons?

Sometimes I think that there are more churches out there like Westboro Baptist than we realize...and a lot of doomsday churches too as we can see how simple it is to brainwash some people into believing even the most absurd BS that one would honestly be able to realize that is completely untrue...

Now excuse me while I make a few phone calls to find this magical book so I can learn to teleport in order to conserve gas...apparently some people have been holding out on me and I've been spending loads of money driving!

 

[dreamingflower]

I rather believe than be ignorant to it. I rather be cautious then not to be cautious at all..

 

[Sabbathiel]

It's one thing to be cautious and another to be ignorant and judgemental. Passing false judgement, especially without justification and out of total ignorance is pretty bad...do not the Atheists do the same? Do not the pagans do the same? Then why judge other Christians falsly like they do?

 

[Texas Lynn]

Now excuse me while I make a few phone calls to find this magical book so I can learn to teleport in order to conserve gas...apparently some people have been holding out on me and I've been spending loads of money driving!

You get that when you go through the 273rd Degree Rite.