Free Grace Theology - The theology that allows devil worshippers into heaven

[guuila]

I wasn't. Peter was of the devil when the Lord said "get behind me, Satan!".

What is your point here?

Cool story bro. Dodging noted again. John says those who practice sin are children of the devil. Why don't you agree with him?

 

[AndOne]

Seems rather irrelevant to me. The point is that they MIGHT walk. Not guaranteed.

I disagree. He's talking about them being able to do something that they were incapable of doing before they were saved - but you would have to start reading from chapter 1 to see it - particularly chapter 3. Also Rom 6:17-18 shows the final result - the guarantee so to speak: "But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness."

No, he's making clear the choice we as believers all have. And he made it clear that it's a choice to whom we present ourselves to obey.

And the wrong choice ends in death - v16

iow, we choose to obey one of our 2 natures: the sin nature, or the new nature. That's his point. And that was Paul's struggle in ch 7.

Actually - the struggle is proof of genuine faith. We all do struggle. We all still sin - but we should be striving to live a sin free life as chapter 7 also indicates.

 

[AndOne]

So, why couldn't John have been speaking figuratively as well?

Because he is giving instruction whereas Jesus was slapping Peter down.

 

[FreeGrace2]

"That whosoever believes in Him might have eternal life."

By your logic believing is no guarantee of salvation. Are you sure you want to go there?

By what logic did the verse cited relate to the verse about believers "might walk"?

 

[Jack Terrence]

I disagree. He's talking about them being able to do something that they were incapable of doing before they were saved - but you would have to start reading from chapter 1 to see it - particularly chapter 3. Also Rom 6:17-18 shows the final result - the guarantee so to speak: "But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness."


And the wrong choice ends in death - v16


Actually - the struggle is proof of genuine faith. We all do struggle. We all still sin - but we should be striving to live a sin free life as chapter 7 also indicates.

FG2 misapplies Greek verbs. Jesus said, "That whosoever believes in Him should not perish but might have eternal life." By FG2's own logic eternal life is not guaranteed to the one who believes.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Cool story bro. Dodging noted again. John says those who practice sin are children of the devil. Why don't you agree with him?

I asked what your point was, and this is the response. Dodging noted.

 

[guuila]

I asked what your point was, and this is the response. Dodging noted.

My point is that a person who practices sin is a child of the devil. Why don't you agree with John about that?

 

[extraordinary]

The comment that says that God has hidden some truths that are "unpopular" are just plain laughable!
When did God become sensitive to what is "unpopular"?

Like I said, it's all way beyond you!
I'll just deal with only one point here.
The Lord desired as much of a civilized society as possible,
which is obviously more attainable if Christianity is popular,
i.e. if many THINK they are having a go @ heaven!

There are several somewhat hidden spiritual Truths in the NT ... for several reasons!

Like I said, it's all way too deep for you ... might just as well give it up.
Because anyone who can just ignore dozens of obvious Scriptures is in way over their head.
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[FreeGrace2]

I disagree. He's talking about them being able to do something that they were incapable of doing before they were saved - but you would have to start reading from chapter 1 to see it - particularly chapter 3. Also Rom 6:17-18 shows the final result - the guarantee so to speak: "But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness."

The verb "present" in v.16 is a present indicative, indicating current choices.

And the wrong choice ends in death - v16

Right. Which type of death do you believe is in view here? Eternal, physical, temporal, or what?

 

[AndOne]

FG2 misapplies Greek verbs. Jesus said, "That whosoever believes in Him should not perish but might have eternal life." By FG2's own logic eternal life is not guaranteed to the one who believes.

Thanks for the input - but I'll let the man speak for himself.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Because he is giving instruction whereas Jesus was slapping Peter down.

Jesus taught by figurative language. There is no reason to think that John wasn't using figurative language for "effect". The point is: if he was speaking literally, then anyone who sins after believing in Christ "isn't of God".

 

[Jack Terrence]

By what logic did the verse cited relate to the verse about believers "might walk"?

You are being evasive. The SAME verbs are employed regarding the possession of eternal life to those who believe.

"That whosoever believes in Him should not perish , but might have eternal life."

"That we might walk in the newness of life."

Once again you show that your arguments have no substance. If there is no guarantee that those who have died with Christ will walk in the newness of life, then BY YOUR OWN LOGIC there is no guarantee that those who believe in Christ will have eternal life.

 

[AndOne]

Right. Which type of death do you believe is in view here? Eternal, physical, temporal, or what?

It should be obvious - eternal - since Paul is speaking in spiritual terms.

 

[guuila]

Since the OP has been confirmed, namely that devil worshippers can go to heaven according to Free Grace theology, I see no reason to continue the chaos. Thanks for the discussion!

 

[Hammster]

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