Franklin Graham faces a Brit of intolerance - censored

[Ringo84]

"I'm being persecuted and silenced!" whined the millionaire preacher-turned-pundit to the reporters who had gathered to take a statement from him. "I cover this attack on Christianity in my latest book, Christian Persecution in America, which you can buy for $19.99 at your local bookstore. I also refer people to my website and blog, www.franklingraham.com/persecution".
Ringo

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

"I'm being persecuted and silenced!" whined the millionaire preacher-turned-pundit to the reporters who had gathered to take a statement from him. "I cover this attack on Christianity in my latest book, Christian Persecution in America, which you can buy for $19.99 at your local bookstore. I also refer people to my website and blog, www.franklingraham.com/persecution".
Ringo

Welcome back.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

"I'm being persecuted and silenced!" whined the millionaire preacher-turned-pundit to the reporters who had gathered to take a statement from him. "I cover this attack on Christianity in my latest book, Christian Persecution in America, which you can buy for $19.99 at your local bookstore. I also refer people to my website and blog, www.franklingraham.com/persecution".
Ringo

Like I said earlier in this thread... Poor guy. It must be tough for him having people disagree with him about his evagelical Christian beliefs and his Repubican conservative politics.

 

[creslaw]

Franklin Graham does more for the kingdom of God than those whining about him.

 

[Ringo84]

Franklin Graham does more for the kingdom of God than those whining about him.

Graham does legitimately good work with Samaritan's Purse and the Christmas box thing whose name escapes me at the moment.

It's undermined by his disgusting kissing up to Donny and making excuses for his multitude of crimes/bad acts.
Ringo

 

[creslaw]

eye of the beholder

 

[Ringo84]

Yep...we'll definitely see what "the Beholder" thinks when Graham dies. Maybe he should stick with his charities instead of opening his fat mouth on politics. He's supposed to be a pastor; not a pundit.
Ringo

 

[creslaw]

Yep...we'll definitely see what "the Beholder" thinks when Graham dies. Maybe he should stick with his charities instead of opening his fat mouth on politics. He's supposed to be a pastor; not a pundit.
Ringo

Not sure where one gets the right to tell others what God wants them to do.

 

[Ringo84]

Not sure where one gets the right to tell others what God wants them to do.

What makes you think that defending child separation policies; insults against the handicapped, Mexicans, a veteran; groping women; etc is "what God wants them to do"?
Ringo

 

[creslaw]

What makes you think that defending child separation policies; insults against the handicapped, Mexicans, a veteran; groping women; etc is "what God wants them to do"?
Ringo

That is slander and you know it. Franklin has made his views clear about distinguishing between offensive personal conduct and supporting political means of defending religious freedom. Whether Franklin speaks as a pastor or a "pundit" is not your call.

 

[Ringo84]

That is slander and you know it. Franklin has made his views clear about distinguishing between offensive personal conduct and supporting political means of defending religious freedom. Whether Franklin speaks as a pastor or a "pundit" is not your call.

We have the man on tape talking about groping women. We have him on video saying that Mexicans are "rapists". We have him on tape blathering about "heroes that weren't captured". We have him on video making fun of a handicapped reporter, and we have a Twit record of him talking about "-hole" countries.

Even if Graham's only in this for so-called "religious freedom" (which pretty clearly means freedom for Christians and not for people of other religions), then you can still say that he's a disgusting opportunist who is hypocritically overlooking the many obvious faults of this "president" so that he can get a little something in return.

Whether or not it's "my call" whether Graham speaks as one or the other, it is my call, as a fellow Christian, to look at Graham and "judge him by his fruits". Yes, he does good work with his charities. That doesn't excuse his partisan blindness (at best) or opportunistic hypocrisy (at worst).

Graham should stick to preaching.
Ringo

 

[creslaw]

Disagreement is one thing, slander & abuse is another. Not impressed.

 

[creslaw]

This is what Franklin Graham actually did say:

"A lot of people are slamming evangelicals for supposedly giving Donald J. Trump a pass. That’s simply not true. No one is giving him a pass. I’m certainly not, and I’ve not met an evangelical yet who condones his language or inexcusable behavior from over a decade ago. However, he has apologized to his wife, his family, and to the American people for this. He has taken full responsibility. This election isn’t about Donald Trump’s behavior from 11 years ago or Hillary Clinton’s recent missing emails, lies, and false statements. This election is about the Supreme Court and the justices that the next president will nominate. Evangelicals are going to have to decide which candidate they trust to nominate men and women to the court who will defend the constitution and support religious freedoms. My prayer is that Christians will not be deceived by the liberal media about what is at stake for future generations."​

Millions of Christians believe that Franklin Graham was expressing the will of God ... as do I.

 

[Ringo84]

That is such mealy-mouthed malarkey. "I don't condone what he says, but he's apologized (despite not changing his behavior at all)! And by the way: the Supreme Court is so important! It's God's Will (tm) that we overlook behavior that we condemn in others so that we can secure religious freedom (for ourselves)!".

You'll pardon me if I have no sympathy for your pouting about "slander and abuse" when Graham shows that kind of hypocrisy. Graham should stick to preaching.
Ringo

 

[Ringo84]

The Klezmatics said it best:

I ain't afraid of your Yahweh
I ain't afraid of your Allah
I ain't afraid of your Jesus
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God
I ain't afraid of your churches
I ain't afraid of your temples
I ain't afraid of your praying
I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God

Rise up to your higher power
Free up from fear, it will devour you
Watch out for the ego of the hour
The ones who say they know it
Are the ones who will impose it on you

Ringo

 

[Shiloh Raven]

That is such mealy-mouthed malarkey. "I don't condone what he says, but he's apologized (despite not changing his behavior at all)! And by the way: the Supreme Court is so important! It's God's Will (tm) that we overlook behavior that we condemn in others so that we can secure religious freedom (for ourselves)!".

You'll pardon me if I have no sympathy for your pouting about "slander and abuse" when Graham shows that kind of hypocrisy. Graham should stick to preaching.
Ringo

Franklin Graham is certainly denying the reality of Trump's continued immoral behavior. I think what I've said before about Trump should be repeated in this thread, so I'm reposting a previous post.

(1) He publicly mocked a disabled reporter. Oh wait, according to his conservative supporters, he didn't mock the disabled reporter despite the photos and videos clearly showing he did.

(2) He paid thousands of dollars to a porn star to silence her about their affair.

(3) He joked about dating his daughter, Ivanka, if she hadn't been his daughter.

(4) He agreed with Howard Stern that she was a piece of [insert profane word here].

(5) He bragged about watching young teenage girls getting undressed during a beauty pageant.

(6) He called the NFL players who knelt during the national anthem with a profane word I'm not allowed to even abbreviate because of the site's profanity rule.

(7) He referred to Haiti, El Savador and other African countries as [insert profane word] countries. Once again I'm not allowed to abbreviate the cuss word because of the profanity rule.

(8) He boastfully bragged about groping women in their private area and forcing himself on them, which his loyal conservative Christian supporters referred to as locker room banter.

(9) He's in his 3rd marriage to his former mistress and he fathered 5 children with 3 different women.

(10) He has been caught in multiple lies, which his conservative Christian supporters have dismissed.

And last but not least, the really strangest behavior of it all...

Donald Trump masqueraded as publicist to brag about himself

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[creslaw]

That is such mealy-mouthed malarkey. "I don't condone what he says, but he's apologized (despite not changing his behavior at all)! And by the way: the Supreme Court is so important! It's God's Will (tm) that we overlook behavior that we condemn in others so that we can secure religious freedom (for ourselves)!".

You'll pardon me if I have no sympathy for your pouting about "slander and abuse" when Graham shows that kind of hypocrisy. Graham should stick to preaching.
Ringo

I wonder why you think abuse is acceptable.

Franklin Graham does not "overlook" offensive behaviour ... and he has made that abundantly clear. What he believes is that God will use Trump to help protect the practice of Christian faith. King Solomon had his vices but God used him to build the temple.

 

[creslaw]

Franklin Graham is certainly denying the reality of Trump's continued immoral behavior.

wrong

 

[Ringo84]

I wonder why you think abuse is acceptable.

Franklin Graham does not "overlook" offensive behaviour ... and he has made that abundantly clear. What he believes is that God will use Trump to help protect the practice of Christian faith. King Solomon had his vices but God used him to build the temple.

By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Graham isn't blind and deaf, so he had to have seen and heard all of Donny's bad behavior. Those who are truly repenting from bad behavior "go and sin no more". Donny has not changed any of his behavior, regardless of his "apology"; if anything, he's worse now than he was before the election.

It seems to me that overlooking bad behavior because "the ends justify the means" probably makes Graham as guilty as the person whose behavior he is conveniently excusing for expedience.
Ringo

 

[Shiloh Raven]

That is such mealy-mouthed malarkey. "I don't condone what he says, but he's apologized (despite not changing his behavior at all)! And by the way: the Supreme Court is so important! It's God's Will (tm) that we overlook behavior that we condemn in others so that we can secure religious freedom (for ourselves)!".

You'll pardon me if I have no sympathy for your pouting about "slander and abuse" when Graham shows that kind of hypocrisy. Graham should stick to preaching.
Ringo

As far as I'm concerned, Graham has completely destroyed the credibility of his own Christian witness, as well as his personal reputation and integrity for supporting Donald Trump. I honestly can't take his personal Christian witness or his moral convictions against sin seriously anymore. And I know from speaking with several non-Christian people whom I know IRL and online that they feel the same way as I do about conservative Christians, like Graham, who politically support Donald Trump.

As one non-Christian friend of mine put it, any conservative Christian who politically supports Donald Trump has flushed their Christian witness down the political toilet and their personal Christian witness is completely worthless now. Personally speaking, I don't listen to these Christians anymore when one of them starts preaching against sin or even tries to witness to me. It's an empty and hollow Christian witness to me now. I don't take their Christian witness or their moral convictions against sin seriously anymore if they politically support Donald Trump, despite his ongoing immoral behavior.