Fossil Challenge for Evolutionists

[GodsGrace101]

Every such list I have ever known a creationist to post has been fraudulent. Surprise me.

It might be useful in any case as a basis for discussion. Some of us are having a hard time figuring out where you are coming from. You evidently are not a biblical literalist, but still reject the theory of evolution. We are having a hard time understanding why.

I don't have the time to read everything before I post it.

Try this:

scientists abandoning the theory of evolution - Google Search

 

[pitabread]

There's a fundamental misunderstanding between Christians and everyone else. Some like to ridicule Christianity, which is interesting, because it offers more answers than science does...

How do you figure?

 

[Speedwell]

I don't have the time to read everything before I post it.

Try this:

scientists abandoning the theory of evolution - Google Search

https://evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t/

As I said, totally fraudulent.

But it doesn't answer my question: Where are you in all this? You do not appear to be a biblical creationist (unless you are lying to us) yet you reject the theory of evolution for reasons which are not entirely clear. Where do you stand?

 

[pitabread]

I don't have the time to read everything before I post it.

Try this:

scientists abandoning the theory of evolution - Google Search

The first links in that search is the Discovery Institute's "Scientific Dissent from Darwinism".

The problem though is that list has nothing to do with scientists abandoning the theory of evolution. It's bait-and-switch by the Discovery Institute. You can read various criticisms of that list via the Wikiepedia page on it: A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism - Wikipedia.

On top of that, it has been nicely repudiated by Project Steve.

 

[AV1611VET]

The bible contains a lot of myth,

Even if that was true ... which it isn't ... the real points would be mythed.

 

[GodsGrace101]

How do you figure?

Someone that is not willing to consider that God may exist has a totally different outlook on everything than a Christian does.

If you've noticed I've never used scripture on this thread (maybe once or twice for a specific reason)...this is because scripture is not accepted by non-believers.

However, this does not mean that everything we talk about is NOT covered by the N.T.,,in fact, everything is.

For instance, 1 Corinthians 2:14 states that a natural man (a man that does not acknowledge his spirit) does not accept the things of the spirit of God because they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually appraised.

Exact wording. Exact outcome when speaking to atheists and even agnostics at times.

 

[GodsGrace101]

The first links in that search is the Discovery Institute's "Scientific Dissent from Darwinism".

The problem though is that list has nothing to do with scientists abandoning the theory of evolution. It's bait-and-switch by the Discovery Institute. You can read various criticisms of that list via the Wikiepedia page on it: A Scientific Dissent from Darwinism - Wikipedia.

On top of that, it has been nicely repudiated by Project Steve.

Didn't you ever learn that we never say
ALL
NEVER
ALWAYS
When that word is in a question on a test, it won't bed the right answer in 95% of the cases, or more.

SOME scientists are surely giving up on evolutions.
I don't mean micro evolution...I mean one animal coming from another....or a common ancestor.

A DNA cell just seems too complicated to have come about by chance,,, survival of the fittest doesn't make 100% sense either.

This is all irrelevant to God.

 

[Speedwell]

Someone that is not willing to consider that God may exist has a totally different outlook on everything than a Christian does.

True, but entirely irrelevant to the present discussion.

Exact outcome when speaking to atheists and even agnostics at times.

But you are not just speaking to atheists and agnostics.

 

[GodsGrace101]

https://evolutionnews.org/2006/02/over_500_scientists_proclaim_t/

As I said, totally fraudulent.

But it doesn't answer my question: Where are you in all this? You do not appear to be a biblical creationist (unless you are lying to us) yet you reject the theory of evolution for reasons which are not entirely clear. Where do you stand?

I can't believe in macroevolution.
I have difficulty believing that we come from a one celled organism. I think we're just too complicated.
To me it looks like ID.
The problem is that we're searching and too many different ideas keep surfacing so I don't know that we have a set idea just yet.

I say let's wait and see and not be too dogmatic about any one idea.

In any case, God must exist...
There's energy in the universe...where did it come from...where does it go? Does it die? No.
So???

 

[AV1611VET]

There was a first man and a first woman...
I don't know if their names were Adam and Eve.

Academia calls them "y-Adam" and "mtDNA-Eve" and say they lived thousands (?) of years apart.

There's a fundamental misunderstanding between Christians and everyone else. Some like to ridicule Christianity, which is interesting, because it offers more answers than science does...

One thing I could not understand (until I came here) is what the men who mocked Jesus said to Him.

Luke 22:63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him.

Now I think I know.

Not that I think there should be a war between the two,,but atheists are determined to prove there is no God.

I do wonder why at times.

Satan knows the Bible through and through.

Someone once asked, "If he knows the Bible so well, why doesn't he accept his defeat?"

I believe the answer lies in how "easy" it would be to bring God down:

Simply get one jot or tittle of His word to fail, and God will have to relinquish His authority.

Thus Satan works hard (through the arts and sciences) to get the job done.

 

[GodsGrace101]

True, but entirely irrelevant to the present discussion.


But you are not just speaking to atheists and agnostics.

To whom am I speaking?

 

[pitabread]

Someone that is not willing to consider that God may exist has a totally different outlook on everything than a Christian does.

If you've noticed I've never used scripture on this thread (maybe once or twice for a specific reason)...this is because scripture is not accepted by non-believers.

However, this does not mean that everything we talk about is NOT covered by the N.T.,,in fact, everything is.

For instance, 1 Corinthians 2:14 states that a natural man (a man that does not acknowledge his spirit) does not accept the things of the spirit of God because they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually appraised.

Exact wording. Exact outcome when speaking to atheists and even agnostics at times.

This isn't about atheism vs Christianity though. What you said was that Christianity "offers more answers than science does".

If you really meant to contrast atheism vs Christianity, then that has nothing to do with science.

 

[Speedwell]

Didn't you ever learn that we never say
ALL
NEVER
ALWAYS
When that word is in a question on a test, it won't bed the right answer in 95% of the cases, or more.

SOME scientists are surely giving up on evolutions.
I don't mean micro evolution...I mean one animal coming from another....or a common ancestor.

No, the only question is in the details of how it happened; that is, whether there aare additional processes at work in addition to variation and selection.

A DNA cell just seems too complicated to have come about by chance,,, survival of the fittest doesn't make 100% sense either.

Arguments from credulity carry no weight at all in this forum.

This is all irrelevant to God.

Certainly it is irrelevant to the question of God's existence or the truth of the Christian faith.

 

[pitabread]

SOME scientists are surely giving up on evolutions.
I don't mean micro evolution...I mean one animal coming from another....or a common ancestor.

There are certainly some scientists on the fringe that reject common ancestry. But those scientists represent a small minority of the overall scientific community. There is also no evidence of any trend of increases rejecting of evolution/common ancestry among scientists.

The latter appears to be a myth propagated by creationist and ID organizations.

A DNA cell just seems too complicated to have come about by chance,,, survival of the fittest doesn't make 100% sense either.

Biological evolution isn't pure chance though. Complexity is also not a barrier for evolution. Recursive processes like evolution can result in incredible complexity.

As for natural selection, that is an observable phenomenon in nature.

 

[Speedwell]

To whom am I speaking?

To theists, Christians even, as well as atheists and agnostics.

 

[AV1611VET]

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Science is a description of physical reality, arguing against it is stupid as it amounts to arguing against reality.

Then maybe those who argue about how we got our moon are proving that those descriptions can be misleading ... ya think?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Academia calls them "y-Adam" and "mtDNA-Eve" and say they lived thousands (?) of years apart.

The first man lived thousands of years apart from the second man or woman?
So persons lived thousands of years ago back at the beginning?
What came first, the chicken or the egg?

I'm sorry, but science makes little sense to me.

One thing I could not understand (until I came here) is what the men who mocked Jesus said to Him.

Luke 22:63 And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him.

Now I think I know.

I mentioned 1 Cor 2:14
It's all the same...even 2,000 years ago. The thief on the cross told Jesus to get down from the cross if He was the Son of God. Atheists and Christians are living in two different worlds.

Jesus came to set up the Kingdom of God. It has nothing to do with evolution or fossils or science..it has to do with how humans treat each other. One could be a scientist and still belong to the Kingdom. For some reason, we've divided the two.

Satan knows the Bible through and through.

Someone once asked, "If he knows the Bible so well, why doesn't he accept his defeat?"

I believe the answer lies in how "easy" it would be to bring God down:

Simply get one jot or tittle of His word to fail, and God will have to relinquish His authority.

Thus Satan works hard to get the job done.

I've never heard this. Sounds like you're speaking of Dualism...?

Satan just tries to get as many souls as he can.
Jesus bought us back...but not everyone wants to be bought back...to some it sounds like a "myth".
Jesus was not a myth.

 

[AV1611VET]

It might be useful in any case as a basis for discussion. Some of us are having a hard time figuring out where you are coming from. You evidently are not a biblical literalist, but still reject the theory of evolution. We are having a hard time understanding why.

Maybe she understands the missing links as they are meant to be understood:

Never there in the first place ... so there's nothing to miss.

 

[GodsGrace101]

To theists, Christians even, as well as atheists and agnostics.

I haven't come across any Christians on this thread until now...unless I missed one or two.

Mostly atheists and a couple of agnostics that sound like atheists and leave no squiggle room.

 

[Speedwell]

The first man lived thousands of years apart from the second man or woman?
So persons lived thousands of years ago back at the beginning?
What came first, the chicken or the egg?

I'm sorry, but science makes little sense to me.

Yet you know it isn't true?

I mentioned 1 Cor 2:14
It's all the same...even 2,000 years ago. The thief on the cross told Jesus to get down from the cross if He was the Son of God. Atheists and Christians are living in two different worlds.

Jesus came to set up the Kingdom of God. It has nothing to do with evolution or fossils or science..it has to do with how humans treat each other. One could be a scientist and still belong to the Kingdom. For some reason, we've divided the two.

It's creationists who are doing the dividing.