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These are not Fundamentalist Forums.3) reinstitute the Nicene Creed/ with the addition of agreement that the Bible is God's inspired word
I think you misunderstand. The poll Erwin is referring to was taken in the Conservative Christians Congregational Forum. It was developed by a Christian and voted on by Christians who had identified themselves as conservative. Erwin eventually moved it into the Announcements Forum at which point it was replaced by a reworded poll and locked.
The self-righteous mindset was directly related to their beliefs, unless of course interpreting the Law of Moses wrong is an action and not a belief. [/sarcasm]
Whoah.We see Jesus not only setting their actions right, but their beliefs as well (for instance when he said that what goes into a man does not make him unclean, an idea repeated in Paul). There is not so large a dichotomy between actions and beliefs.
The neighbor is the one whom you either meet on the street or helps you when you're in a ditch. Anyone, and everyone, is our neighbor.The neighbor is the man who does the right thing, not the man who believes the right thing and yet does the wrong thing. So?
It does matter if Jesus focused his teachings upon actions and Christians focus their teachings upon theological statements.It doesn't matter. Even if we don't find Jesus laying out systematically what Christians have to believe, he didn't say many other things that were relevant and that the early Christians would have to work out for themselves. The best argument you have here is an argument from silence.
Sure.Still, I'm afraid you're thinking in black and white (which is ironic since conservatives are often accused of doing that). It's possible for a non-Christian to be more righteous than a Christian without the conclusion being "it doesn't matter what you believe." The conclusion would be "the non-Christian is actually acting more like a Christian than the Christian is!"
I suspect Erwin was kidnapped by a Scientologist cell and either forced to watch Battlefield Earth until his mind was completely numbed or he had his mind implanted with a Ceti Eel (same difference).Ha!
Put the cans on CF and get rid of those body thetans.
Which is the lowest common denominator that includes most mainstream Christians while excluding Mormons and those well dressed people who knock on your door.Scholar said:Gee, the deity and resurrection of Christ is central for Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox (or at least among the non-liberals therein) and of course for the Bible and the early Church.
And here's a very common error that so many people miss when they claim "Jesus sat with sinners".The self-righteous mindset and exclusionary actions of the Pharisees was what Jesus critiqued not their beliefs.
Sure, they didn't believe him but that was because it was against their self-interest to do so.
Who was excluded from Jesus' table?
Who did Jesus say our neighbors happen to be?
And here's a very common error that so many people miss when they claim "Jesus sat with sinners".
IT SAYS HE SAT WITH SINNERS, NOT WOLVES AND NOT FALSE TEACHERS who work against Him to subjugate the truth, or who were HOSTILE towards Him.
Reread the NT, and notice that anytime the people turned against Christ OR the disciples, they left. They were to shake the dust when rejected and leave them - not continue sitting there to get harrassed and challenged. (as these forums promote when we keep defending the faith to the same people who attack it).
Before you use scripture, make sure it's used properly. Jesus worked with and "sat" with people that were neutral and listened to Him, not openly opposing Him in anger.
He left the crowds that turned against Him & refused His teachings once given and He rebuked pharisees & scribes who tried to trap Him in verbal debates (hostile towards Him & His message)....
SINNERS AND WOLVES/FALSE TEACHERS ARE NOT THE SAME THING as per New Testament teachings, and each example of when the people turned against the Mesage they brought, THEY LEFT. NOT SAT WITH THEM TO CONTINUALLY BE ATTACKED.
Mat 7:6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Mar 6:11 "Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them."
Lots more verses tell us who to avoid as well, not continue with so we get berated and show "LOVE" by getting ganged up on in debate.
I didn't say "conservative Christianity" tho, did I? you did.Disagreement with conservative christianity does not make someone a wolf or a false teacher.
I don't know how people come up with this sort of thing, other than believing they're on the same level as God.
And here's a very common error that so many people miss when they claim "Jesus sat with sinners".
IT SAYS HE SAT WITH SINNERS, NOT WOLVES AND NOT FALSE TEACHERS who work against Him to subjugate the truth, or who were HOSTILE towards Him.
Reread the NT, and notice that anytime the people turned against Christ OR the disciples, they left. They were to shake the dust when rejected and leave them - not continue sitting there to get harrassed and challenged. (as these forums promote when we keep defending the faith to the same people who attack it).
Before you use scripture, make sure it's used properly. Jesus worked with and "sat" with people that were neutral and listened to Him, not openly opposing Him in anger.
He left the crowds that turned against Him & refused His teachings once given and He rebuked pharisees & scribes who tried to trap Him in verbal debates (hostile towards Him & His message)....
SINNERS AND WOLVES/FALSE TEACHERS ARE NOT THE SAME THING as per New Testament teachings, and each example of when the people turned against the Mesage they brought, THEY LEFT. NOT SAT WITH THEM TO CONTINUALLY BE ATTACKED.
Mat 7:6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Mar 6:11 "Any place that does not receive you or listen to you, as you go out from there, shake the dust off the soles of your feet for a testimony against them."
Lots more verses tell us who to avoid as well, not continue with so we get berated and show "LOVE" by getting ganged up on in debate.
A message from Seebs:
[bible]Romans 8:38-39[/bible]
Friends, siblings, neighbors, fellow creatures:
Perfect love casts out fear.
Have a little faith.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.If even one soul is lost and we didnt stand, as God told Ezekiel, as watchmen we will have their blood on our hands.
It is no secret that much of the world hates Christians (or and God-based belief in general) but there is no need to give them victory by allowing them the power to force us practically into hiding.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.You push God out of your life, and he will not force his way back in.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.To give our future over to the hands of a vote conducted by those who would happily bring us down is as though Erwin smacked Jesus across the face himself.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.How can you be a follower of Jesus Christ if you don't know who he is or what he did?
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.Of course you are, youre an atheist and standing for the downfall of a CHRISTIAN board
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.You are removing the CHRISTIAN influance here and getting your fill of atheistic subscribers... GREAT new vision from Satan's point of view
Athene said:And the people of the Lord say ''Amen!'
SOMEONE USED A VERSE TO SUPPORT JUST THAT in its context - I replied with a correction and distinction between regular sinners who weren't attacking Jesus, and the false teachers & wolves (and anyone else) who were directly rejecting the message they were given and turned to attack.If that is your interpretation, then what are you doing here? You are acting, to use the word some like so much, unBiblically.
I see a lot of "blah, blah, blah. Obey me or go to Hell." I don't see much actual follow-through.
Ironyyou guys know nothing of Christianity. all you care about is bickering with each other in this thread. ignoring everybody else besides you.
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