rushingwind62
Debi1967 is the love of my life!!!!
I hope you have proof of this and that it is not just some random judgement call.
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I hope you have proof of this and that it is not just some random judgement call.Come on now. We know you are in league with Erwin the crypto-Scientologist in his war against Christianity.
A smiley face hardly changes the fact that you are slanderinga number of people. It is one thing to correct doctrine, and quite another to set yourself up as a judge of other persons. It is one thing to criticize error, and quite another to ascribe motives to others in complete opposition to their own actions and public statements.Of course you are, youre an atheist and standing for the downfall of a CHRISTIAN board
Be careful now...someone will take this seriously.Come on now. We know you are in league with Erwin the crypto-Scientologist in his war against Christianity.
I hope you have proof of this and that it is not just some random judgement call.
Has anyone found 07-07-07 announcement thread?
I apologize.
I'm sorry, I just feel (like many here) like those of us who support what the forums stand for (or used to stand for) are under attack, and I'm flailing my arms a bit haphazardly trying to protect myself and the rest of us who agree. I shouldn't have lashed out like that, and I apologize.I need to learn to think before I speak.
Come on now. We know you are in league with Erwin the crypto-Scientologist in his war against Christianity.
Come on now. We know you are in league with Erwin the crypto-Scientologist in his war against Christianity.
I was being facetious, as others have noted, but I did not pull the 'crypto-Scientologist' bit out of thin air. (The accusation came as little surprise to me, though, because it is hard to beat the Messianics when it comes to bringing on the crazy.)
The self-righteous mindset was directly related to their beliefs, unless of course interpreting the Law of Moses wrong is an action and not a belief. [/sarcasm]Interesting spin but you have a cause and effect issue here.
The self-righteous mindset and exclusionary actions of the Pharisees was what Jesus critiqued not their beliefs.
Sure, they didn't believe him but that was because it was against their self-interest to do so.
Regardless, their actions pre-ceded the incarnation..
The neighbor is the man who does the right thing, not the man who believes the right thing and yet does the wrong thing. So?Who was excluded from Jesus' table?
Who did Jesus say our neighbors happen to be?
It doesn't matter. Even if we don't find Jesus laying out systematically what Christians have to believe, he didn't say many other things that were relevant and that the early Christians would have to work out for themselves. The best argument you have here is an argument from silence.Sure.
But why do you think that is?
Why do you think dogmatic theological statements or beliefs were not among the more important aspects of Jesus' teachings?
Of course they did. Paul talked about "removing the evil brother from among you" for a certain period of time when necessary, and he accepted as an Apostle by the others. He also said that without the resurrection our faith is vain and we are dead in our sins.Well sure but they believed, as do I, that those statements were true.
They did not, however, say that you cannot follow him if you disagree about certain theological statements.
He appealed to them on common ground in order to introduce them to Jesus, not to leave them to their beliefs and go on his merry way. Some of the people who heard him talk about the resurrection wanted to hear more, others sneered and Paul left (Acts 17:32). I guess you didn't read far enough.In fact, Paul had something to say about following Jesus and worshipping God even if that fact is "Unknown" to those who do so....
Gee, the deity and resurrection of Christ is central for Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox (or at least among the non-liberals therein) and of course for the Bible and the early Church.Central to whom?
And we should be ashamed that these points of division exist, but we should not gloss them over.What is central to a Catholic is different from what is central to a Protestant fundamentalist as well as different from what is essential to an EO.
Well I'm glad you could tell me what I believe. Clears up a lot about the way you think.Most EOs consider all Western Christians heretics because a simple sub-sentence that states "and the son" was added to a certain creed many years ago...
I was being facetious, as others have noted, but I did not pull the 'crypto-Scientologist' bit out of thin air. (The accusation came as little surprise to me, though, because it is hard to beat the Messianics when it comes to bringing on the crazy.)
*Shakes fist at CaDan* Thanks a lot for stealing my thunder. I was going to remark that Xenu was behind the name change, not the Devil.
what I want to see:
1. Return to the right and proper name of this forum.
2. Return of the Nicean Creed as a a determination of who is Christian. Not to say others cannot post and debate here, but there has to be a line somewhere to make certain areas Christian or Open. And the Nicean Creed is pretty basic.
3. An apology and possibly refunds to those who have recently supported the website. That is if there is not a change.
Notice I do not care about the physical layout of the site.
I do not and cannot in good conscience support this new vision. I am still here at the moment because I am hopeful for repentance and change. But I am not going to invest much of my time if it cannot be saved. And I surely am not going to give any money.
I don't like this statement very much... you'd be surprised how many non-Christians also disagree with all of this. It's not cool to make accusations like that, dude. Also it's inevitable that equally erroneous counter-accusations will be made and then we're firmly in the handbasket.Of course you are, youre an atheist and standing for the downfall of a CHRISTIAN board
I support your suggestions - the only thing I find less important (or less SIMPLE to reverse) is the Name Change here.
The Nicene Creed Preamble was the BIGGEST mistake imo. Without any agreement of the definition of a Christian at a debate site, YOU'VE CREATED A WARZONE!!.
My issue was deeper - they needed to ADD to the Preamble agreement that one must accept the Bible as the Inspired word of God.
Without accepting that, it's "your god vs my God". They ignored any scriptures you gave them to respond with "I reject that becuz the bible is written by flawed people. not God".
I am not claiming we have to have a bible to KNOW GOd's truth, just to be able to DEBATE IT properly in this venue.
THAT is what should have taken place in the format. THEN YOU'DE HAVE MORE unity which is what Erwin wanted in the first place.
If you can at least argue 'interpretion' of scripture, you at least have a base to work with - instead, scripture was thrown out entirely as useless.
It became the far left liberals VS. conservatives in the Christian section.
Changing the preamble would've fixed alot of that but instead, got removed. So out goes any clarification of what a Christian even is here.
So I'd
1) leave the domain name as Foru.ms ( it's already DONE at high cost, leave it be),
2) offer refunds to those who paid for a CF subscription and disagree with this change.
3) reinstitute the Nicene Creed/ with the addition of agreement that the Bible is God's inspired word
4) CLOSE THE 'FAITH' SECTION TO NONBELIEVERS to create a safe-haven for Christians so they aren't targets for skeptics in their respective areas.
*there are some other things that would fine tune it even more and be fair (imo), but I think even if just these were done it would be a MIRACLE... so little steps first, if any.
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