Forsaking the things of this world is a part of the faith.

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I explained my long quote posts to my satisfaction, with once again no input at all from you on my point....see the pattern? But again, none of that matters, this is all by design, in order for you to avoid discussion on something you evidently don't feel you can back up...not to mention a waste of our time.

Either discuss it by responding to my actual post, and I'll then reply to your response, and not ignore it, or don't. At this point, those are your only two choices.

Okay. You are not getting it. You said you are not willing to address my long post, and yet in another thread you required somebody to address your long post. Again, this is like the kettle calling the pot black. You are not holding others to your own standards. In other words, it is like Rick telling Bob that he cannot go 10 miles over the speed limit, and yet he himself speeds over 10 miles per hour all the time. It's not fair for Rick to do such a thing. Do you not see where I am coming from? In other words, what gives you a license to post long posts with you requiring others to read it, vs. me not having this special license to write long posts with requiring others to read it?

The right thing to do is address my long post, unless of course you changed your mind on creating long posts (Which would include yourself).

 

[Kenny'sID]

Okay. You are not getting it. You said you are not willing to address my long post, and yet in another thread you required somebody to address your long post. Again, this is like the kettle calling the pot black. You are not holding others to your own standards. In other words, it is like Rick telling Bob that he cannot go 10 miles over the speed limit, and yet he himself speeds over 10 miles per hour all the time. It's not fair for Rick to do such a thing. Do you not see where I am coming from? In other words, what gives you a license to post long posts with you requiring others to read it, vs. me not having this special license to write long posts with requiring others to read it?

The right thing to do is address my long post, unless of course you changed your mind on creating long posts (Which would include yourself).

I understand, you don't want to discuss it, so you, by dishonest means, will make it impossible to discuss...not an uncommon tactic.

I think were done here. Personally, next time I got judgmental, I would have to ask myself if I can back up my comments, or if I'm going to get stuck in a situation where I cannot and then have to resort to dishonest means in order to get out of the situation instead of simply admitting I may have been wrong on a few things.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

With everything there is good and evil, we are to forsake the evil and follow and do the good (the Word of God). Everyone should watch this movie.. avoid the evil lest you become changed into what you behold.

Really, though you should watch this movie.

God bless

 

[Kenny'sID]

With everything there is good and evil, we are to forsake the evil and follow and do the good (the Word of God). Everyone should watch this movie.. avoid the evil lest you become changed into what you behold.

Really, though you should watch this movie.

God bless

I bet that's a good movie, and I'll try to watch it, thanks.

I agree, we should definitely avoid evil. But what we shouldn't do is find evil in everything under the sun, and try to push our findings on Christians that struggle everyday to do right in order to make them feel guilty for doing what little they are allowed to do, and in turn taking away some of the acceptable joys of life...the things that help to make that life bearable.

 

[Strong in Him]

Forsaking the things of this world is a part of the faith.

Not exactly.
We are told not to conform to the world, Romans 12:1, that we are not of the world, 1 Peter 2:11, and that we shouldn't love the world, 1 John 2:15. We are also told to put God first and that we shouldn't serve money.
But that doesn't mean that unless we renounce money and possessions and live in poverty, we cannot be Christians.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Not exactly.
We are told not to conform to the world, Romans 12:1, that we are not of the world, 1 Peter 2:11, and that we shouldn't love the world, 1 John 2:15. We are also told to put God first and that we shouldn't serve money.
But that doesn't mean that unless we renounce money and possessions and live in poverty, we cannot be Christians.

Agree, and take movies for instance, they are in a way like real life only in that they and real life can make it a temptation to conform to the word but any Christian worth their salt is not going to let that happen, they can watch the movie, enjoy the story (Same thing as a play of old but much better) without it causing a problem. Or because those things cause us problems with temptation like I guess they to Jason, we can try to take them from everyone else because we cannot handle them ourselves.

We have to be in the world and resist it's temptations, but we don't have to watch the movie, however, if we can do the same/resist temptation with the movie, why throw out the baby with the bath water?

If some can't handle the extra temptation stay away from that which tempts, at least as much as possible, however, there will always be something that does in this world.

 

[Strong in Him]

Agree, and take movies for instance, they are in a way like real life only in that they and real life can make it a temptation to conform to the word but any Christian worth their salt is not going to let that happen, they can watch the movie, enjoy the story (Same thing as a play of old but much better) without it causing a problem.

Agree.
I don't watch films, but I do watch soaps on tv.
I'm sure that some would say that Eastenders, for example, is not good, with all the violence and affairs that go on. They may have a point, and sometimes it does get a bit much. But it's fictional, they do address some important issues, and if I really felt it was affecting my faith, I'd stop watching. I'm sure that most Christians would do the same.

Or because those things cause us problems with temptation like I guess they to Jason, we can try to take them from everyone else because we cannot handle them ourselves.

I don't believe any Christian should impose their own decisions on anybody else.
I've always hated it when people have said "Christian women shouldn't wear make up/jewellery/short skirts", "Christians shouldn't drink", and so on.
Personally, I don't wear make up or drink, but there is no harm in it - unless taken to extremes. And I certainly wouldn't insist that no one else can do these things because I don't.
What we do is between us and God.

 

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I understand, you don't want to discuss it,

I am more than happy to have a discussion if it is not one sided with you giving all the answers and yet you refuse to read my long post.

so you, by dishonest means, will make it impossible to discuss...not an uncommon tactic.

Please show me where I was dishonest, and I will be happy to apologize.

I think were done here.

That is your choice. The offer is still open for you to read my long post and to address the points I made with Scripture.

Personally, next time I got judgmental, I would have to ask myself if I can back up my comments, or if I'm going to get stuck in a situation where I cannot and then have to resort to dishonest means in order to get out of the situation instead of simply admitting I may have been wrong on a few things.

All I want is to discuss the points with you involving Scripture. Seeing you were not willing to hear me out, the conversation did not go anywhere, my friend. If you address my points, then I am more than happy to address your points. I hope you understand; And may God bless you.

 

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With everything there is good and evil, we are to forsake the evil and follow and do the good (the Word of God). Everyone should watch this movie.. avoid the evil lest you become changed into what you behold.

Really, though you should watch this movie.

God bless

I owned this movie before on DVD, and I think I gave it away to someone. I recently picked up the new remastered version of this film on DVD and got it in a few days ago. It is now called "The Life of Jesus (Gospel of John)." What I liked best about this film is the performances and it was taken directly verbatim from the Good News Translation. It definitely makes the gospel of John come alive.

"Risen" is also another favorite of mine for a film centered around Jesus. The casting choice for Jesus in this film is more fitting because he looks like he is from the Middle East.

"Son of God" the movie was hit and miss. It had some bad stuff and some good stuff. My favorite scenes in this film are the crucifixion and resurrection scenes. I also like the Last Supper scene, as well.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I owned this movie before on DVD, and I think I gave it away to someone. I recently picked up the recently remastered version of this film on DVD and got it in a few days ago. It is now called "The Life of Jesus (Gospel of John)." What I liked best about this film is the performances and it was taken directly verbatim from the Good News Translation. It definitely makes the gospel of John come alive.

"Risen" is also another favorite of mine for a film centered around Jesus. The casting choice for Jesus in this film is more fitting because he looks like he is from the Middle East.

"Son of God" the movie was hit and miss. It had some bad stuff and some good stuff. My favorite scenes in this film are the crucifixion and resurrection scenes. I also like the Last Supper scene, as well.

Yep, we actually found this movie by accident when I was looking for something suitable for the kids. What I love about the Movie is that it is all scripture from the Gospel of John. Really should be a must see for everyone that is a Christian.

God bless.

 

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Not exactly.
We are told not to conform to the world, Romans 12:1, that we are not of the world, 1 Peter 2:11, and that we shouldn't love the world, 1 John 2:15. We are also told to put God first and that we shouldn't serve money.
But that doesn't mean that unless we renounce money and possessions and live in poverty, we cannot be Christians.

The Bible says:

Everyone who has forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life (Matthew 19:29) (Mark 10:29-30 says, “There is no man that has left house, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, But he shall receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brothers, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.”) (Luke 14:33 says, “Whosoever he be of you that forsakes not all that he has, he cannot be my disciple.”) (Similar: Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, and Luke 9:23) (Luke 18:29-30 says, “No man who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.” - NIV).

He that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me (Matthew 10:38)
(Matthew 16:24 says, “If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.”) (Also see: Mark 8:34, and Luke 9:23) (Luke 14:27 says, “And whosoever does not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”) (Similar: Matthew 19:29‬, Mark 10:29-30, and Luke 14:33) (John 12:26 says, “If any man serve me, let him follow me;”).

He that finds his life shall lose it (Matthew 10:39) (“Whosoever will save his life shall lose it” - Matthew 16:25) (John 12:25 says “He that loveth his life shall lose it;”).

He that loses his life for my sake shall find it (Matthew 10:39) (“whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's,” - Mark 8:35) (Luke 9:24 says the same thing as Matthew 16:25) (John 12:25 says, “He that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.”)

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." (1 John 2:15-17).

 

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Yep, we actually found this movie by accident when I was looking for something suitable for the kids. What I love about the Movie is that it is all scripture from the Gospel of John. Really should be a must see for everyone that is a Christian.

God bless.

If you have not seen it already, here are my top favorites list of Christian films.

What Christian Movies Do You Find To Be The Most Rewatchable?

And here are my favorite Christian films to watch on occasion:

Excellent Christian Films That I Can Only Watch on Rare Occasion.

May God bless you.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I am more than happy to have a discussion if it is not one sided with you giving all the answers and yet you refuse to read my long post.



Please show me where I was dishonest, and I will be happy to apologize.



That is your choice. The offer is still open for you to read my long post and to address the points I made with Scripture.



All I want is to discuss the points with you involving Scripture. Seeing you were not willing to hear me out, the conversation did not go anywhere, my friend. If you address my points, then I am more than happy to address your points. I hope you understand; And may God bless you.

Still you avoid what I keep repeating, you skipped my questions comments. That wasn't what I was taking about when I called you dishonest, however, to pretend you don't see that/what started this, the things you don't want to address, is very dishonest, and you dare talk to us aboiut our sin?

We are definitely done here.

 

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Still you avoid what I keep repeating, you skipped my questions comments. That wasn't what I was taking about when I called you dishonest, however, to pretend you don't see that/what started this, the things you don't want to address, is very dishonest, and you dare talk to us aboiut our sin?

We are definitely done here.

No. Again, you did not read all of my long initial post and now you want me to read your post. Why should I hear you when you will not hear me? You fail to understand this.

For you said, I quote, "First, I'm not going to read all that." ~ Kenny'sID.

I also said I am willing to address what you have written, but you have to first read all of my long post and reply to my points in Scripture. That is not dishonest. It is called not putting up with your unfairness. You have to be fair when you deal with others. You are not doing that. You are actually the one who has chosen to not communicate properly. But you are free to see whatever you want to see. Others can freely read for themselves and know the truth.

As for talking about the condemnation of sin:

It's not wrong to point out sinful things so as to lead others closer to God and His good ways. I am only offering the truth to help people and I am not seeking to cast stones at any one particular individual. I am commanded by God to love the sinner, but hate the sin. The choice is always up to the individual in what they want to do. I can only lead a horse to water, but I cannot force that horse to drink. Only God can open a person's eyes to the truth.

May God bless you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

If you have not seen it already, here are my top favorites list of Christian films.

What Christian Movies Do You Find To Be The Most Rewatchable?

And here are my favorite Christian films to watch on occasion:

Excellent Christian Films That I Can Only Watch on Rare Occasion.

May God bless you.

Not sure if you know it but this is an older type movie called Peter and Paul with Anthony Hopkins playing Paul based on ACTS. That one also really sticks out to me as well. This is also a very long movie (about 3 hrs or two DVD'd part 1 and part 2) but also mainly based on scripture from Acts. It inspired me to follow Jesus

 

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Not sure if you know it but this is an older type movie called Peter and Paul with Anthony Hopkins playing Paul based on ACTS. That one also really sticks out to me as well. This is also a very long movie (about 3 hrs or two DVD'd part 1 and part 2) but also mainly based on scripture from Acts. It inspired me to follow Jesus

It's great when a film can inspire us to follow the Lord. Praise be unto God.

 

[Kenny'sID]

No. Again, you did not read all of my long initial post and now you want me to read your post. Why should I hear you when you will not hear me? You fail to understand this.

For you said, I quote, "First, I'm not going to read all that." ~ Kenny'sID.

I also said I am willing to address what you have written, but you have to first read all of my long post and reply to my points in Scripture. That is not dishonest. It is called not putting up with your unfairness. You have to be fair when you deal with others. You are not doing that. You are actually the one who has chosen to not communicate properly. But you are free to see whatever you want to see. Others can freely read for themselves and know the truth.

As for talking about the condemnation of sin:

It's not wrong to point out sinful things so as to lead others closer to God and His good ways. I am only offering the truth to help people and I am not seeking to cast stones at any one particular individual. I am commanded by God to love the sinner, but hate the sin. The choice is always up to the individual in what they want to do. I can only lead a horse to water, but I cannot force that horse to drink. Only God can open a person's eyes to the truth.

May God bless you.

My post was before yours....unbelievable.

 

[Strong in Him]

The Bible says:

Everyone who has forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life (Matthew 19:29)

I know it does.
But as Jesus preached repentance, Mark 1:15, said that we must be born again to enter the Kingdom, John 3:3, made it clear that those who believe in him have eternal life, John 3:16, John 6:40, John 6:56 and said that he is the only way to the Father, John 14:6 - receiving eternal life and entering the Kingdom is not a matter of giving away our money.
If it WAS, atheists, communists and cult members could be saved, without having to believe at all.

(Luke 14:33 says, “Whosoever he be of you that forsakes not all that he has, he cannot be my disciple.”)

I believe that you can forsake something without physically giving it away - you can renounce the hold it has on you, not covet it or be envious for it and not make it the centre and focus of your life.

He that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me (Matthew 10:38)
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And how do you know that a person's cross may not mean the pressure and responsibility that comes from having lots of money, because they have been using the gifts that God gave them and earned it?

(Similar: Matthew 19:29‬, Mark 10:29-30, and Luke 14:33) (John 12:26 says, “If any man serve me, let him follow me;”).

The number of Christian pop/film and sports stars, business men and women, politicians and so on who are Christians that it is possible to be followers of Jesus and have money.
Solomon was dedicated to God and very wealthy.

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." (1 John 2:15-17).

No problem with that; that's what I said.
But a person can reject the standards and values of the world, have money and be a Christian. If it wasn't possible then no famous person today would be one. Whereas there are people in public life who have money and are rich, yet also openly speak of their faith and what God means to, and has done for, them.

 

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My post was before yours....unbelievable.

Not true. I addressed the beginning part of your post to me about forsaking the things of this world by creating this thread and by providing biblical reasons to answer what you said but you refuse to read my whole reply. You said you will not read all of my lengthy post and yet you required another to do so in your case.

 

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I know it does.
But as Jesus preached repentance, Mark 1:15, said that we must be born again to enter the Kingdom, John 3:3, made it clear that those who believe in him have eternal life, John 3:16, John 6:40, John 6:56 and said that he is the only way to the Father, John 14:6 - receiving eternal life and entering the Kingdom is not a matter of giving away our money.
If it WAS, atheists, communists and cult members could be saved, without having to believe at all.



I believe that you can forsake something without physically giving it away - you can renounce the hold it has on you, not covet it or be envious for it and not make it the centre and focus of your life.



And how do you know that a person's cross may not mean the pressure and responsibility that comes from having lots of money, because they have been using the gifts that God gave them and earned it?



The number of Christian pop/film and sports stars, business men and women, politicians and so on who are Christians that it is possible to be followers of Jesus and have money.
Solomon was dedicated to God and very wealthy.



No problem with that; that's what I said.
But a person can reject the standards and values of the world, have money and be a Christian. If it wasn't possible then no famous person today would be one. Whereas there are people in public life who have money and are rich, yet also openly speak of their faith and what God means to, and has done for, them.

Believing is more than just believing in Jesus as your Savior, but it is believing in everything He told us to do. For Jesus says why do you call me Lord, Lord if you do not do what I say?