Forget about climate change, loss of soil and insects will doom us first.

[juvenissun]

Evidence? Mine comes from the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation.

Either they are wrong, or you misunderstood what they said.
They might say how much soil is lost. But did they say the % in how much area? Did they say how much soil is continuously made? UN is a political organization, not trustworthy.

 

[juvenissun]

Evidence, the science says otherwise. Denying it in capital letters is not a valid argument.

What science? Yours?

 

[Goonie]

What science? Yours?

The fact remains that fertile soil and land is a finite resource. Read the articles provided and around the subject, I’m no scientist, I’d love to have someone provide some credible sources to put my mind at ease, but from what I’ve read so far this projection is credible.

 

[juvenissun]

The fact remains that fertile soil and land is a finite resource. Read the articles provided and around the subject, I’m no scientist, I’d love to have someone provide some credible sources to put my mind at ease, but from what I’ve read so far this projection is credible.

It won't happen. Not any single paper can do that. You simply have to pick and trust.
I won't trust that report. If you want to discuss, we can do that. Otherwise, suit yourself.

 

[Goonie]

It won't happen. Not any single paper can do that. You simply have to pick and trust.
I won't trust that report. If you want to discuss, we can do that. Otherwise, suit yourself.

No but the fact remains we have an ever increasing population, ever increasing demand on land. You have provided zero sources/evidence to argue otherwise. Last time I checked fertile soil is a finite resource, all evidence supports this.

 

[Goonie]

It won't happen. Not any single paper can do that. You simply have to pick and trust.
I won't trust that report. If you want to discuss, we can do that. Otherwise, suit yourself.

Over the past forty years one third of arable land has been lost to pollution and degradation.
Earth has lost a third of arable land in past 40 years, scientists say
the world is running out of fertile soil - Bing

 

[Goonie]

Interesting here’s the search for “we are not running out of fertile soil”
we are not running out of fertile soil - Bing

So no real argument against the fact that we are running out of fertile land.

 

[AV1611VET]

No but the fact remains we have an ever increasing population, ever increasing demand on land. You have provided zero sources/evidence to argue otherwise. Last time I checked fertile soil is a finite resource, all evidence supports this.

In your opinion, is it time for a Malthusian check?

 

[Goonie]

In your opinion, is it time for a Malthusian check?

Well if nothing is done to address the issue of declining fertile land, it will correct itself, last time I checked without grown food humanity is kind of stuffed.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well if nothing is done to address the issue of declining fertile land, it will correct itself, last time I checked without grown food humanity is kind of stuffed.

Just wondering ... scientists have known that India has been starving for decades.

Why are they just now sending out an alarm?

Is it coming too close to home?

Let's say, for example, that a Malthusian check occurs and reduces the earth's population down to 3 billion.

Wouldn't India still be starving?

 

[Goonie]

Just wondering ... scientists have known that India has been starving for decades.

Why are they just now sending out an alarm?

Is it coming too close to home?

Let's say, for example, that a Malthusian check occurs and reduces the earth's population down to 3 billion.

Wouldn't India still be starving?

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And who says they are only now sending out the alarm? As you have said Malthus warned about it centuries ago.

 

[Heissonear]

Not a doomsday prophecy. It’s entirely possible to judge how much fertile soil is available, and that has been done. Now it is possible for a scientific breakthrough to comealong to improve fertility and prolong the lifespan, but 90% of agricultural science research at the moment is on maximising yealds, for maximum profit, whilst increasing soil deterioration.

This is observable science.

Goonie, soil and plant science is not accounted for in what you have posted. NPK fertilizers, turning under crops (organic matter) are but a very few items to recognize crop rotations and harvests are only getting better. CO2 increase is no longer a part of Liebig's law of growth limitation.

Reread your source and then some basic ag books.

 

[AV1611VET]

And who says they are only now sending out the alarm?

Okay ... fair enough ... scientists have been arcing & sparking about "insectageddon" for decades.

As you have said Malthus warned about it centuries ago.

Here's what's interesting: your OP says ...

With less than 60 years of harvests left in what remains of fertile soil, and a dramatic 75% decline in insects in some of the best protected nature reserves in Germany pointing towards the end of habitable life on earth.

I don't know how big Germany's best protected nature reserves are, but are you saying that they have experienced a 75% decline in insects, and that points towards the end of habitable life on earth???

Do German nature reserves feed the earth or something?

According to The Hellstrom Chronicles, all of Germany -- not just her nature reserves -- could lose all of her insects and tomorrow she will be repopulated.

 

[Heissonear]

Fertile soil WILL NOT be significantly reduced in human era. I am not even sure it would be reduced or not.

You got that right!

 

[Heissonear]

Little known is that losing the majority of crop insects would be beneficial.

Have you watch "crop dusting" for years, and understand why?

Think again on the OT. The real world factors are missing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Reread your source and then some basic ag books.

The United States went through a worse disaster than that in the 1930's (Dust Bowl) and came back.

Now apparently Germany is experiencing something not quite as bad, but wants the world to respond.

More fake science scare tactics being propagated so they can get more money.

 

[juvenissun]

No but the fact remains we have an ever increasing population, ever increasing demand on land. You have provided zero sources/evidence to argue otherwise. Last time I checked fertile soil is a finite resource, all evidence supports this.

First, soil is NOT a finite resource.

 

[juvenissun]

Over the past forty years one third of arable land has been lost to pollution and degradation.
Earth has lost a third of arable land in past 40 years, scientists say
the world is running out of fertile soil - Bing

That is NOT the problem of soil. It is the problem of population.
Soil pollution is NOT the lost of soil.
Be scientific, even you may not use to it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

75% decline in insects

I am not worried about the insects, I am worried about me. Insecticide effects the nervous system and I really do not want that in my food. I am worried about it enough so that I will pay extra for organic food that does not have any insecticide in it.

 

[morse86]

First the world is bigger than fraud $cientists state. There is unlimited resources till Jesus returns (see the discoveries by Admiral Richard Byrd).

This also proves that the God's way is the best.

Leviticus 25:4:
But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

Every 7th year, we're supposed to rest the land. This is important because it refreshes the soil with nutrients. Todays crop provides very little vitamins/minerals because it is over farmed (even organic crop).

 

[Goonie]

First, soil is NOT a finite resource.

Yes it is. Fertile soil which is what we are talking about is being lost at a greater rate than it is being produced.