Forcing your beliefs on others

[TuxThePenguin]

Am I showing my age in that I can't read these two lines? What the hay is a pwnage? and a n00b?

Forgive me, I'm totally square.

Both are 'Hacker speak'

N00b is a corruption of newbe - one who is new to the activity in question (often used whist discussing online computer games)
pwnage is a corruption of ownage -- if you beat someone completely you 'own' them. Again it is often used in online video games when you beat someone repeatedly.

 

[faster_jackrabbit]

Someone started this thread on this forum. So to label all as forcing something, you are going to get responses. If the situation on cf was not intended then why start this thread at all?

The people on this forum live in society, do they not? In this thread, we ask that the christians who are here change their tendency to force others to live according to their beliefs in society. What happens in this forum is irrelevant. Our concern is what happens to us in society.

As far as why we are here in this forum, how else do we contact you to make this request? In a music forum? A linux forum? If you want to make a request of christians, you go where the christians are.

 

[GregoryTurner]

The people on this forum live in society, do they not? In this thread, we ask that the christians who are here change their tendency to force others to live according to their beliefs in society. What happens in this forum is irrelevant. Our concern is what happens to us in society.

As far as why we are here in this forum, how else do we contact you to make this request? In a music forum? A linux forum? If you want to make a request of christians, you go where the christians are.

Do you go to a church on Sunday and do the same thing that you do in this forum?

 

[NPH]

Do you go to a church on Sunday and do the same thing that you do in this forum?

This forum is a debate area that freely welcomes all participants from whatever background. As such, it is an appropriate place to discuss these matters.

Churches are not a place to go and discuss and debate matters. They are houses of worship and should be respected as such. It would be quite rude to interrupt people's place of worship to make such pleas.

If a church were to hold such a debate though, i'm sure many would go and do exactly the same thing they do here.

 

[quatona]

Someone started this thread on this forum. So to label all as forcing something, you are going to get responses. If the situation on cf was not intended then why start this thread at all?

The someone who started this thread on this forum was your fellow Christian KarateCowboy. He is around. You can ask him himself.

 

[GregoryTurner]

ok, im stupid... i will not bother anyone with responses anymore

 

[Lynden1000]

Both are 'Hacker speak'

N00b is a corruption of newbe - one who is new to the activity in question (often used whist discussing online computer games)
pwnage is a corruption of ownage -- if you beat someone completely you 'own' them. Again it is often used in online video games when you beat someone repeatedly.

Thank you!!!

If I'm feeling brave, I'll try to use them in a conversation today!

 

[quatona]

Thank you!!!

If I'm feeling brave, I'll try to use them in a conversation today!

ROTF

 

[TuxThePenguin]

Thank you!!!

If I'm feeling brave, I'll try to use them in a conversation today!

You're 1337 !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet

 

[Cerberus~]

1) I am a Christian
2) Christianforums is a Christian forum (amazing!) with non-beleviers welcome to participate(see? we are tolerant).
3) I come to this website
4) Non-believers come to this website
5) Non-believers post threads like "Hey guyz homosex is teh pwnage LOL m i rite?"
6) I say "No its not teh pwnage u n00b"
7) Said non-believer says that I am "Forcing my beliefs on them"

Downright lies. I challenge you to find a single example of someone complaining that you're forcing their beliefs on them simply because you disagree with them in a debate.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Downright lies. I challenge you to find a single example of someone complaining that you're forcing their beliefs on them simply because you disagree with them in a debate.

Dood u should nt tlk liek th@ cuz I would pwn u irl.

I'd fail the challenge, because you are using a strawman there. My dramatization was obviously a simplified version of what goes on. Of course no one has said "KC u pwnerer u got teh ski11z and liek BOOM HEADSHOT leik a11 that n stuf s0 liek ctrt-alt-del on teh te11ing me ur beleefs cuz th@s leik forcing ur beleffs on me LOL". However the principle remains that non-Christians living in a society founded on the Judeo-Christian ethic are coming to a Christian forum and both 1) Posting threads like I cited an example of and then 2) Complaining to me that I force my beliefs on them. I will bet you one thousand blessings that I can find an example of a thread where that happens(in fact, it's quite easy -here's an example of some great lovin', openminded tolerance. Also isn't it true that the US was founded on a Judeo -Christian ethic and with every step towards secularization people are 'forcing their beliefs on us', as you would say?

Furthermore, I believe it was Nitz who said that what is actually going on is a 'request' for us to stop 'forcing our beliefs on ppl'. I have not seen any polite requests. I have seen a lot of name calling and the words 'bigot', 'hatemonger', 'homophobe', 'oppressor', 'Fundie radical', and a lot of references to 'freedom haters' when it comes to abortion, and had Christian beliefs called outright 'stupid' when referring to the death penalty.

Perhaps if people actually did make a request . . .

 

[selfinflikted]

Dood u should nt tlk liek th@ cuz I would pwn u irl.

Hey Karate, do you by chance play WoW?

 

[KarateCowboy]

Hey Karate, do you by chance play WoW?

leik no d00d. I ttly pwn it up in FPS mstly.

Smash Bros moneymatch n e 1? I got $20!

BTW guyz im liekin a berserker rage now so liek I'll log off n let the n00bs lvl up and come back l8er when the Quad Damage wears off.

 

[Cerberus~]

Dood u should nt tlk liek th@ cuz I would pwn u irl.

You'ld prolly get lost trying to find my place on the map, since they tend to use whole words and such.

I'd fail the challenge, because you are using a strawman there. My dramatization was obviously a simplified version of what goes on. Of course no one has said "KC u pwnerer u got teh ski11z and liek BOOM HEADSHOT leik a11 that n stuf s0 liek ctrt-alt-del on teh te11ing me ur beleefs cuz th@s leik forcing ur beleffs on me LOL".

No one on here talks like that, except now for you.

However the principle remains that non-Christians living in a society founded on the Judeo-Christian ethic are coming to a Christian forum and both 1) Posting threads like I cited an example of and then 2) Complaining to me that I force my beliefs on them.

We come to a debate forum where there are just as many of us as there are of you. The "Christians-only" forums are the "Christian forums".

This area is open to everyone, hence is not a "Christian" forum, anymore than America is a "Christian" nation.

I will bet you one thousand blessings that I can find an example of a thread where that happens. Also isn't it true that the US was founded on a Judeo -Christian ethic and with every step towards secularization people are 'forcing their beliefs on us', as you would say?

I have no doupt that you can find a few examples of pretty much anything if you look hard enough.

But the vast majority of those who talk about you forcing your beliefs on others, are really talking about you legislating your beliefs on others. In the case of gay marriage and abortion, the shoe fits.

Furthermore, I believe it was Nitz who said that what is actually going on is a 'request' for us to stop 'forcing our beliefs on ppl'. I have not seen any polite requests. I have seen a lot of name calling and the words 'bigot', 'hatemonger', 'homophobe', 'oppressor', 'Fundie radical', and a lot of references to 'freedom haters' when it comes to abortion, and had Christian beliefs called outright 'stupid' when referring to the death penalty.

There a guys around here that keeps saying that anyone who disagrees with him is in league with the devil, so ya'll give as good as you get as far as I'm concerned.

And in reality, the most hated group here that has to deal with the most hateful insults and degradation, and more slander and lies than any other group around here are gays. So acting like ya'll are so oppressed, and get so beaten up on here when ya'll are doing most of the beating is extremely laughable.

Perhaps if people actually did make a request, rather than plastering the debate forum with things that given any other religion would be considered trolling . . .

We do, and we get stupid replies back like, "You're asking us to accept sin!"

 

[KarateCowboy]

You'ld prolly get lost trying to find my place on the map, since they tend to use whole words and such.

ROFL liek ttyl nt 1337

We come to a debate forum where there are just as many of us as there are of you. The "Christians-only" forums are the "Christian forums".

So are we debating or making request?

This area is open to everyone, hence is not a "Christian" forum, anymore than America is a "Christian" nation.

And churches are open to anyone as well. Does that mean they are not Christian churches. My home is open to all my friends. It does not make it their home.

I have no doupt that you can find a few examples of pretty much anything if you look hard enough.

Headshot

But the vast majority of those who talk about you forcing your beliefs on others, are really talking about you legislating your beliefs on others. In the case of gay marriage and abortion, the shoe fits.

Yah that's called the will of the ppl being acted out by their elected officials. In short a republic.

And in reality, the most hated group here that has to deal with the most hateful insults and degradation, and more slander and lies than any other group around here are gays. So acting like ya'll are so oppressed, and get so beaten up on here when ya'll are doing most of the beating is extremely laughable.

I'm not being oppressed. Just flamed and whined at.

We do, and we get stupid replies back like, "You're asking us to accept sin!"

I think the root of the problem here is shown. You don't just disagree with us. You think we are stupid, and our beliefs are stupid. Perhaps a little less contempt and a little more of that fabled 'open-mindedness' that I hear secular types professing is in order.

 

[TricksterWolf]

Dood u should nt tlk liek th@ cuz I would pwn u irl.

I'd fail the challenge, because you are using a strawman there. My dramatization was obviously a simplified version of what goes on. Of course no one has said "KC u pwnerer u got teh ski11z and liek BOOM HEADSHOT leik a11 that n stuf s0 liek ctrt-alt-del on teh te11ing me ur beleefs cuz th@s leik forcing ur beleffs on me LOL". However the principle remains that non-Christians living in a society founded on the Judeo-Christian ethic are coming to a Christian forum and both 1) Posting threads like I cited an example of and then 2) Complaining to me that I force my beliefs on them. I will bet you one thousand blessings that I can find an example of a thread where that happens(in fact, it's quite easy -here's an example of some great lovin', openminded tolerance. Also isn't it true that the US was founded on a Judeo -Christian ethic and with every step towards secularization people are 'forcing their beliefs on us', as you would say?

Furthermore, I believe it was Nitz who said that what is actually going on is a 'request' for us to stop 'forcing our beliefs on ppl'. I have not seen any polite requests. I have seen a lot of name calling and the words 'bigot', 'hatemonger', 'homophobe', 'oppressor', 'Fundie radical', and a lot of references to 'freedom haters' when it comes to abortion, and had Christian beliefs called outright 'stupid' when referring to the death penalty.

Perhaps if people actually did make a request . . .

I don't think people in this forum are forcing beliefs on anyone. Nor do I assume that someone is "homophobic" or "bigoted" because of their beliefs. I try not to throw such accusations out loosely.

Trickster

 

[TricksterWolf]

You know modesty does not rely on religion to exist. I had a moral objection to topless bars and strip houses before I ever became a Christian(I was a Deist and a Naturalist at the time). Degredation of women, even if it is self-degredation, is still wrong.

I don't agree that topless bars and strip clubs are degrading. Women have a right to do what they want with their bodies, and the human body is beautiful. I don't think most people want women to have the right to be sexually open, though. It's clearly a part of our culture to view women as incapable of sex: men who are sexually permiscuous are called "stud", while women are called "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]". The double-standard expects all women to be chaste. The more fundamentalist a country is, the fewer sexual freedoms a woman has (look at Saudi Arabia for one).

Trickster

 

[KarateCowboy]

I don't agree that topless bars and strip clubs are degrading. Women have a right to do what they want with their bodies, and the human body is beautiful. I don't think most people want women to have the right to be sexually open, though. It's clearly a part of our culture to view women as incapable of sex: men who are sexually permiscuous are called "stud", while women are called "[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]". The double-standard expects all women to be chaste. The more fundamentalist a country is, the fewer sexual freedoms a woman has (look at Saudi Arabia for one).

Trickster

A raven appears in a man's window, disturbing his practice of the ancient arts. The tap of claws on stone wall, and the harbringer bears a message:

The double standard with men and women and sex is also a double edged sword. Men who can't perform in sex very well are looked down on as 'not men'. whereas women who aren't good at sex are just thought of as normal.

 

[OdwinOddball]

A raven appears in a man's window, disturbing his practice of the ancient arts. The tap of claws on stone wall, and the harbringer bears a message:

The double standard with men and women and sex is also a double edged sword. Men who can't perform in sex very well are looked down on as 'not men'. whereas women who aren't good at sex are just thought of as normal.

Fortunately both sorts can improve with additional practice.

 

[TricksterWolf]

A raven appears in a man's window, disturbing his practice of the ancient arts. The tap of claws on stone wall, and the harbringer bears a message:

The double standard with men and women and sex is also a double edged sword. Men who can't perform in sex very well are looked down on as 'not men'. whereas women who aren't good at sex are just thought of as normal.

With men it's a single standard: perform. I agree that both genders have unrealistic expectations, but I think women's are more schizy.

For women, they are expected to be chaste, yet they have to dress themselves up pretty as can be, wear makeup, etc. That's what I mean by double standard; we have to "present" ourselves but never receive. Women are expected to be sexual objects, but also expected to run from sex. A woman unable to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is seen as normal.

Also...for people with that outlook, a woman isn't expected to DO anything in bed, other than lie there. There's no such thing as "a woman not good at sex" from a neolithic mindset.

Trickster