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Forcing Cesar to live as a Christian

Discussion in 'Archived - Ethics & Morality' started by Argent, Oct 27, 2006.

  1. Yusuf Evans

    Yusuf Evans Well-Known Member

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    :eek: That's wrong
     
  2. Paulos23

    Paulos23 part of the Rebel Alliance

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    Your right, I'm sorry I lost my temper there. I appoligise to lioninoil for my rude coment and I have edited it out.
     
  3. Nathan Poe

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    What a decidedly Muslim attitude. Will there be public stonings for non-Christians who refuse to leave?
     
  4. Blackguard_

    Blackguard_ Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    Lioninoil,

    Seperation of Church and State is a very Christian principle.

     
  5. Stinker

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    If true Christians had the power in the U.S. there would be so fewer secular laws.

    Since they are not, we have so many laws for so many things that shouldn't have to be, that it is almost insane!

    Non-Christians can never understand the Lord's teaching of true freedom through obedience to His New Testament commandments. Non-Christians see obedience to His teaching as kind of miserable slavery. They do not see the true slavery of endless secular laws from the result of a society in rebellion against the Lord.
     
  6. Biologist

    Biologist Regular Member

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    Yeah, your higher divorce rate, higher crime rate, hate crimes, abortion clinic bombings are really something you should be proud of. If anything Christians could take some advice from non-Christians.

    Have you ever heard of the treaty of tripoli?

    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

    The Atheist founding fathers were great, weren't they?
     
  7. Mling

    Mling Knight of the Woeful Countenance (in training)

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    Here are a few quotes from the "good Christian founders" who founded a "Christian nation" by, and for, Christians:

    John Adams:
    Thomas Jefferson:
    James Madison:
    Benjamin Franklin:
    As was quoted above, but bears reitteration:
    Not a quote by George Washington, but about him:
    All quotes come from here. They cite their own sources as well.
     
  8. CriticalMassKitten

    CriticalMassKitten Regular Member

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    Actually, no. Christians DID come to America, but didn't establish America for Christians, but any religion. They came and started this country on the idea of freedom of religion. Not "Follow what religion you want but we're better." No. Learn your history and stop preaching things you can't prove or back up.
     
  9. cobaltburrito

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    May I direct you to the Treaty of Tripoli(1796)?
     
  10. flicka

    flicka Contributor

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    TrueChristians...you have to explain who exactly that would be.

    Like?

    Can you give some examples of secular laws that TrueChristians wouldn't need? And how we are currently slaves to those laws?




    PS: I REMOVED MY PREVIOUS POST SINCE IT WAS INSULTING TO INTELLIGENT TEENAGERS EVERYWHERE. MY APOLOGIES.
     
  11. kopilo

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    Technically perfect true Christians (eg Jesus) shouldn't need any laws because by following God they wouldn't do anything wrong.

    PS: My post which was in reply has been edited in response to the changes in your post. :)
     
  12. kiwimac

    kiwimac Priest, Liberal, Quaker, Theologian and TSSF Supporter

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    America is a secular nation, founded for the most part by Deists and children of the Enlightenment.
     
  13. Silent Bob

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    True[anything] always means "those who agree with me."
     
  14. flicka

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    Thats an interesting idea. Was Jesus a Christain? Or just Perfect? We can't be perfect according to doctrine, so it's an impossible standard. But your right, if we were all Jesus we probably wouldn't need laws. But God didn't design it to work that way.
     
  15. chalice_thunder

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    Your post is arrogant beyond belief.
    Jesus did not force anyone to live like him.

    And therefore I think the pastor in appalachia is very well founded in the way he leads his congregation.
    I hope more ministers go and do likewise.
     
  16. chalice_thunder

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    Those who would be first must be servant of all.
     
  17. chalice_thunder

    chalice_thunder Senior Veteran

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Cerberus~ again.
     
  18. FadingWhispers3

    FadingWhispers3 Senior Veteran

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    He believes to oppose these things is to try to force "cesar" i.e. non-christians to live as Christians.

    Well, duh. Jesus is King, but of which world? Why did Jesus come first to serve rather than rule? "I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?" Galatians 3:2

    The christians of the world have a lot to learn from your friend. 'Christian' laws do not make a country Christlike.
     
  19. elsbeth

    elsbeth Out of my mind...back in 5 Minutes.

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    Yikes! That's not the way God chooses to do it. If He wanted to force all of us to live the way He wants, He certainly could do it. Since He doesn't then why should we?
    You just can't legislate morality. It doesn't work very well, people rebel. Then the laws have to get harsher and harsher to control the behavior.
     
  20. Yusuf Evans

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    I think everyone has picked on you enough concerning this, but I will point you to scripture which may help you understand what is wrong with this sentiment:

    1 Cor 5:9-13.
     
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