Forced Vaccinations

[JohnDB]

I'm not exactly sure why this is even being considered.

Why should anyone be forced to take a vaccine? If they don't want it... okay...let them suffer the consequences of their decision.

There's a general fear of people being forced to take a vaccine lately that is just lost on me. Even the vaccines that have been removed from service had only a 0.0001% chance of causing any problems.
(One in a million)

Vaccines are fairly safe. Protect you from all kinds of nasty things.
Dr. Fauci says vaccinating people who disregard Covid as 'fake news' could be 'a real problem'

But then we have people who are all about not getting vaccinated. Ok...they get to be sick pups. And where these sickos can clog up hospital beds needed for people with heart, cancer, or broken bones...I can understand that somewhat.

Maybe it's those where they are under Government healthcare but don't want a vaccine.

I can understand how someone might balk at using AstraZeneca vaccine because of fetal tissue.
Moderna's mRNA vaccine.
But there are other options... just probably going to have to pay for them out of your own pocket.

Can anyone explain why a government would force people to get vaccinated?

 

[Minister Monardo]

Can anyone explain why a government would force people to get vaccinated?

There are means of coercion that falls short of being forced. If it is mandated that all health care
workers must receive a new vaccine, technically, they are not being forced, but they would have to
find a new profession to express their objection to the coercion.

 

[Speedwell]

I'm not exactly sure why this is even being considered.

Why should anyone be forced to take a vaccine? If they don't want it... okay...let them suffer the consequences of their decision.

There's a general fear of people being forced to take a vaccine lately that is just lost on me. Even the vaccines that have been removed from service had only a 0.0001% chance of causing any problems.
(One in a million)

Vaccines are fairly safe. Protect you from all kinds of nasty things.
Dr. Fauci says vaccinating people who disregard Covid as 'fake news' could be 'a real problem'

But then we have people who are all about not getting vaccinated. Ok...they get to be sick pups. And where these sickos can clog up hospital beds needed for people with heart, cancer, or broken bones...I can understand that somewhat.

Maybe it's those where they are under Government healthcare but don't want a vaccine.

I can understand how someone might balk at using AstraZeneca vaccine because of fetal tissue.
Moderna's mRNA vaccine.
But there are other options... just probably going to have to pay for them out of your own pocket.

Can anyone explain why a government would force people to get vaccinated?

Because vaccination is an artificial form of "herd immunity" and a certain minimum percentage of the population must be immune to establish it. I don't know what that percentage is in this case, but immunologists can calculate it.

 

[tampasteve]

There are means of coercion that falls short of being forced. If it is mandated that all health care
workers must receive a new vaccine, technically, they are not being forced, but they would have to
find a new profession to express their objection to the coercion.

^^^ This.

I highly doubt we will see "forced" vaccinations. What we could certainly see is refusal of carriage to allow people to travel by air or public transit, refusal to allow entry to other countries at the border, certain jobs requiring it, etc. But we already see that to an extent. There are many jobs that require vaccinations, many countries that require certain vaccinations to enter.

This would be added to it and the scope of professions and travel, etc. would be expanded. I see travel as the big one, I don't think we will be allowed into other countries, particularly Asia and Europe without the vaccination.

I am OK with that, I don't have an issue with vaccinations.

 

[Petros2015]

They would do it for the general good of the population - I (think?) if you want your child to attend public school, they should be vaccinated for the safety of all children. I (think?) if you want to travel abroad to some places, you may be required to vaccinate.

However, I am a little concerned, and my concern is this:

Fauci Warns About ‘Post-Viral’ Syndrome After COVID-19

Puzzling, often debilitating after-effects plaguing COVID-19 "long-haulers" - CBS News

Covid seems to be triggering some kind of nasty, Chronic-Fatigue like symptoms, months later in a % of victims, even if they didn't have it very bad before and this extends until (???) (does it end???). We've seen things like this before, there's a CFS documentary on Netflix unrelated to Covid which is very good, and frankly, terrifying. I would rather die on a respirator than have this syndrome or anything even remotely like it.

Now, I want to be clear that I in NO WAY think there is any kind of plot to have the vaccine do anything but good to its recipients. But... I am a bit worried that we don't understand what we are dealing with here. If you don't know why the syndrome arises after infection, and it doesn't surface until months later... how do you know that your vaccine blocks it (reduces the chance of it happening at a later time vs increases the chance of it happening at a later time).

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Can anyone explain why a government would force people to get vaccinated?

Because they're pursuing a Chinese style model of governance, that involves total control of what citizens can do, where they can do it, and when they can do it.

Coronavirus China: President Xi urges the world to use COVID-19 'QR codes' to check travellers' | Daily Mail Online

In any case, there is zero justification for vaccinating every citizen. Here in the UK the average age of a COVID fatality is 82.4 years, which is greater than the average life expectancy. We certainly don't vaccinate everyone for seasonal flu. Only the elderly and those considered vulnerable due to health complications get a flu jab every year. I don't see why COVID vaccinations should be any different.

Because vaccination is an artificial form of "herd immunity" and a certain minimum percentage of the population must be immune to establish it. I don't know what that percentage is in this case, but immunologists can calculate it.

Why would we need herd immunity for a virus that leaves the vast majority of people unscathed? Vaccinating the elderly and vulnerable ought to be sufficient. That's what we do with seasonal flu.

 

[Nithavela]

An unvaccinated portion of the public would serve as breeding ground for the virus, which might mutate enough to circumvent the vaccine and start a new pandemic. Each person who isn't vaccinated is a potential patient 0 for SARS-COV-3.

 

[JohnDB]

They would do it for the general good of the population - I (think?) if you want your child to attend public school, they should be vaccinated for the safety of all children. I (think?) if you want to travel abroad to some places, you may be required to vaccinate.

However, I am a little concerned, and my concern is this:

Fauci Warns About ‘Post-Viral’ Syndrome After COVID-19

Puzzling, often debilitating after-effects plaguing COVID-19 "long-haulers" - CBS News

Covid seems to be triggering some kind of nasty, Chronic-Fatigue like symptoms, months later in a % of victims, even if they didn't have it very bad before and this extends until (???) (does it end???). We've seen things like this before, there's a CFS documentary on Netflix unrelated to Covid which is very good, and frankly, terrifying. I would rather die on a respirator than have this syndrome or anything even remotely like it.

Now, I want to be clear that I in NO WAY think there is any kind of plot to have the vaccine do anything but good to its recipients. But... I am a bit worried that we don't understand what we are dealing with here. If you don't know why the syndrome arises after infection, and it doesn't surface until months later... how do you know that your vaccine blocks it (reduces the chance of it happening at a later time vs increases the chance of it happening at a later time).

Well...
They think that damage from a cytokine storm localized in various organ tissues is to blame. But a lot more research is needed.

This virus is capable of infecting EVERY system in your body including the nervous and endocrine system.

It's definitely not a good idea to get it.

 

[JohnDB]

An unvaccinated portion of the public would serve as breeding ground for the virus, which might mutate enough to circumvent the vaccine and start a new pandemic. Each person who isn't vaccinated is a potential patient 0 for SARS-COV-3.

That makes more sense...kinda.

But the animal population is going to do that anyway. Mink farms were uthenized because of that reason. Pangolin population isn't going to get vaccinated. Neither is the rat or mice. Domestic animals might...

 

[ReesePiece23]

In any case, there is zero justification for vaccinating every citizen. Here in the UK the average age of a COVID fatality is 82.4 years, which is greater than the average life expectancy. We certainly don't vaccinate everyone for seasonal flu.

From what I can gather, there's going to be a definite 'phase one' roll out to cover ALL vulnerable individuals, with a subsequent review to follow.

If we see results from that, I reckon it'll end there with an optional invitation for everyone else.

 

[Ophiolite]

Can anyone explain why a government would force people to get vaccinated?

I missed the part where you provided evidence that a government is forcing people to get vaccinated. I'm not saying they haven't. I'd just like to have evidence it has occurred, or has been seriously considered before I invest time speculating on the reason.

 

[Petros2015]

If we see results from that, I reckon it'll end there with an optional invitation for everyone else.

Yeah, I'm curious what the results will be; I hope they will be good, and I'll feel better about taking it when it's my time to if I see that, which I imagine will be some time down the road.

 

[JohnDB]

I missed the part where you provided evidence that a government is forcing people to get vaccinated. I'm not saying they haven't. I'd just like to have evidence it has occurred, or has been seriously considered before I invest time speculating on the reason.

They haven't even approved them yet.

So it hasn't occurred.

But various government officials have been mentioning it. And I'm clueless as to why they would think that it's an option.

I understand that it is a thing in PRC...but the whole world has been on their case about human rights violations such as this.

 

[ananda]

I'm not exactly sure why this is even being considered.

Why should anyone be forced to take a vaccine? If they don't want it... okay...let them suffer the consequences of their decision.

There's a general fear of people being forced to take a vaccine lately that is just lost on me. Even the vaccines that have been removed from service had only a 0.0001% chance of causing any problems.
(One in a million)

Vaccines are fairly safe. Protect you from all kinds of nasty things.
Dr. Fauci says vaccinating people who disregard Covid as 'fake news' could be 'a real problem'

But then we have people who are all about not getting vaccinated. Ok...they get to be sick pups. And where these sickos can clog up hospital beds needed for people with heart, cancer, or broken bones...I can understand that somewhat.

Maybe it's those where they are under Government healthcare but don't want a vaccine.

I can understand how someone might balk at using AstraZeneca vaccine because of fetal tissue.
Moderna's mRNA vaccine.
But there are other options... just probably going to have to pay for them out of your own pocket.

Can anyone explain why a government would force people to get vaccinated?

I imagine acceptance of vaccines would be more successful and voluntary, if these issues were addressed:

• M.D.s weren't bribed to vaccinate;
• Legal immunity wasn't granted to vaccine manufacturers;
• Separate, "no fault", secret vaccine courts weren't established, and litigation held in regular, public courts;
• Individuals harmed from vaccines weren't compensated out of the Public Treasury but rather by the manufacturers;
• "Scientists" weren't deceptive in their vaccine "science";
• and the idea that as much as half of all "scientific literature ... may simply be untrue"
• Etc.

 

[Petros2015]

Pangolin population isn't going to get vaccinated.

Stupid Pangolins.

I've getting everyone this for Christmas.

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[Minister Monardo]

This would be added to it and the scope of professions and travel, etc. would be expanded. I see travel as the big one, I don't think we will be allowed into other countries, particularly Asia and Europe without the vaccination.

Australia has already expressed their intent to do so.

 

[Nithavela]

That makes more sense...kinda.

But the animal population is going to do that anyway. Mink farms were uthenized because of that reason. Pangolin population isn't going to get vaccinated. Neither is the rat or mice. Domestic animals might...

The animal population might do that, but then that mutated virus has to jump from animal to human, which happens pretty rarely. Human-human-infection is very common, though.

 

[JustSomeBloke]

Some of the billionaire 'philanthropists' of the world are known to have a great deal of interest in using vaccines to control population. Certainly there have been allegations in the past of using healthcare as a cover for administering anti-fertility drugs.

Tetanus vaccine may be laced with anti-fertility drug. International / developing countries

A priest, president of Human Life International (HLI) based in Maryland, has asked Congress to investigate reports of women in some developing countries unknowingly receiving a tetanus vaccine laced with the anti-fertility drug human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG). If it is true, he wants Congress to publicly condemn the mass vaccinations and to cut off funding to UN agencies and other involved organizations. The natural hormone hCG is needed to maintain pregnancy. The hormone would produce antibodies against hCG to prevent pregnancy. In the fall of 1994, the Pro Life Committee of Mexico was suspicious of the protocols for the tetanus toxoid campaign because they excluded all males and children and called for multiple injections of the vaccine in only women of reproductive age. Yet, one injection provides protection for at least 10 years. The Committee had vials of the tetanus vaccine analyzed for hCG. It informed HLI about the tetanus toxoid vaccine. HLI then told its World Council members and HLI affiliates in more than 60 countries. Similar tetanus vaccines laced with hCG have been uncovered in the Philippines and in Nicaragua. In addition to the World Health Organization (WHO), other organizations involved in the development of an anti-fertility vaccine using hCG include the UN Population Fund, the UN Development Programme, the World Bank, the Population Council, the Rockefeller Foundation, the US National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, and Uppsala, Helsinki, and Ohio State universities. The priest objects that, if indeed the purpose of the mass vaccinations is to prevent pregnancies, women are uninformed, unsuspecting, and unconsenting victims.

 

[Aaron_Bethlhm]

There's a general fear of people being forced to take a vaccine lately that is just lost on me. Even the vaccines that have been removed from service had only a 0.0001% chance of causing any problems.

Actually, decades ago I think, and still, infants or little children, maybe older children, across the board - i.e. most - or average, had a reduced iq of 10 to 20 pts. Many children visibly lost the light in their eyes. Other children immediately or within a day no longer looked their mom, dad, or siblings, or anyone , in the eye.

 

[Aaron_Bethlhm]

I've met dozens of woman who every year had a miscarriage, up to 6 years in a row, with no resolution - each one of them had gotten the flu shot previous to their first miscarriage. This is not even told them , ever, by their health care professionals... (too much liability)