For those who think drinking alcohol is a sin...

[Tzaousios]

Sorry, but I'm more concerned about souls being saved and my relationshikp with Christ than Church history.

By the way, how many souls has Church history saved? Or do you even care there's people out there going to hell. It's all about the blessed Catholic Church and her history, right. When are you people going to wake up and see what's really happening?

So many strawmen and rhetorical questions packed into two lines.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Sorry, but I'm more concerned about souls being saved and my relationshikp with Christ than Church history.

And once a person is a confessing Christian, what are they to believe? If you don't understand what we as Christians believe and why, if you don't understand why the early fathers of the Church put so much energy into debating against heretics like the Sabellians and Arians, then you're not faithfully equipping Christians with the tools to understand and defend their faith against the fiery darts of the evil one when modern day heretics come along. Modern day heretics, by the way, that would very happily tell you that they "only go by the Bible alone" and yet preach a radically different religion than what has been believed and confessed these last two thousand years.

By the way, how many souls has Church history saved? Or do you even care there's people out there going to hell. It's all about the blessed Catholic Church and her history, right. When are you people going to wake up and see what's really happening?

If your only concern is getting people to line up in front of an altar and say a magical formula, then I suppose the study and understanding of Christian history, theology, and biblical exegesis aren't going to matter much.

But my concern is a holistic Christian experience wherein Christians are properly equipped to understand their faith, to confess that faith, and abide in that faith as Christians. Of actually hearing and confessing the Gospel, not treating the Gospel as a once only "Get out of Hell Free" card. That God's gracious condescension to meet man in his sin in the Person of the God-Man Jesus Christ to suffer death on Mt. Calvary and rise from the dead thus delivering us from sin and death and declaring us freely justified by God's mercy and imputing to us God's righteousness is worth talking about in the Church and worth fighting for, worth contending for, worth addressing, preserving, confessing, and believing.

That God has invited us, in Jesus Christ, to be a people of faith, abiding in God's grace by trusting in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, who alone is our salvation and hope against the diabolical powers of this fallen age.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[DansonPete]

for me, it will lead to a sin if you abuse it and use it in a wrong different manner and way.

 

[WindStaff]

People in Christ's time didn't have the luxury of drinking grape juice. It wasn't until Welch came along in discovering how to preserve grape juice without fermentation that grape juice was even a prominent thing in households. And that was just a couple hundred years ago.

In fact, Welch was the one who recommended we us juice instead of wine due to his discovery.
That is to say, it was EVEN ACKNOWLEDGED at the time of grape juice being readily available wine was the grape juice through history and that we should desist.

All those arguments about how the Apostles and whatnot not drinking wine is complete rubbish. It's not even realistic, thinking they were drinking Juicy Juice Lol. One has to conjure up a good deal of denial to even stand on those contrary grounds.