For those who think drinking alcohol is a sin...

[Rubiks]

Shouldn't gr"ape juice have at least one or two molecules of ethanol in it?

 

[woodpecker]

Drinking alcohol is only a sin if you become drunk, and if your convictions tell you not to. The apostles teach if you believe something in your heart is a sin then to do it would be sin, for others they have not this conviction, so for them it is not sin. But of course the bible has moral ethics to follow, for we are to be holy as Christ was holy.

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23 You say, “I am allowed to do anything”[d]—but not everything is good for you. You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is beneficial. 24 Don’t be concerned for your own good but for the good of others.


27 If someone who isn’t a believer asks you home for dinner, accept the invitation if you want to. Eat whatever is offered to you without raising questions of conscience. 28 (But suppose someone tells you, “This meat was offered to an idol.” Don’t eat it, out of consideration for the conscience of the one who told you. 29 It might not be a matter of conscience for you, but it is for the other person.) For why should my freedom be limited by what someone else thinks? 30 If I can thank God for the food and enjoy it, why should I be condemned for eating it?

31 So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Don’t give offense to Jews or Gentiles[f] or the church of God. 33 I, too, try to please everyone in everything I do. I don’t just do what is best for me; I do what is best for others so that many may be saved. (1 Corthians)

 

[parsley]

Drinking is not listed as a sin; but it can lead to sinful behavior, mistreatment and abuse of loved ones, lack of clarity when someone is paying you to work, neglect, impaired operation of vehicles and machinery. It's all about being responsible and not letting go with the excuse that the blackout times were "not you."

 

[iluvtheSims]

It speaks clearly about drinking things that cause a man to stumble (get drunk and do sinful things). Drinking for communion is okay if it's a small amount, but to drink to get drunk is never okay. When well if we drink wine for communion it is in remembrance of Him, we are actually taking in His blood, and the bread is His body.

 

[Blessedj01]

I don't consider it a sin, but sometimes people don't recognise when alcohol is truly harming them. Those who feel this conviction need to listen to it before it becomes too late. Before your loved ones go walking out the door and the police come walking in, before your wallet empties on the floor and your heart fills up with hate. Before you end up in hospital or the garbage can right next to your empties.

 

[iluvtheSims]

I'm sure many people don't consider murder a sin, nor did they have any remorse or convictions.

It reminded me what Jesse Duplantis said when a pastor told him its not a sin to drink if you do not get drunk. Pastor Jesse Duplantis asked him if that woman was his wife, and the pastor said yes. Jesse Duplantis then said okay well I'm going to take her in the back and make out with her, since I'm not going all the way its not a sin and its okay if we just touch a little bit. At first he was furious and then he realized Jesse Duplantis's point.

 

[woodpecker]

I'm sure many people don't consider murder a sin, nor did they have any remorse or convictions.

It reminded me what Jesse Duplantis said when a pastor told him its not a sin to drink if you do not get drunk. Pastor Jesse Duplantis asked him if that woman was his wife, and the pastor said yes. Jesse Duplantis then said okay well I'm going to take her in the back and make out with her, since I'm not going all the way its not a sin and its okay if we just touch a little bit. At first he was furious and then he realized Jesse Duplantis's point.

Sorry no disrespect, but that it is a rediculous comparison. Making out with another mans wife is a great sin...having a glass of wine IS NOT A SIN, ONLY DRUNKENSS.

if you or other Christians believe it is sin, then Jesus first miracle was a sin, for he turned cheap wine into some very good wine. Apostle Paul would of been in sin when he suggested some wine to Timothy for what ailed him.

If alcohol convicts you not to drink then don't, but do not tell others it is a sin. Apostle Paul does suggest not to entertain something that might make another christian fall into sin, such as drinking in front of a friend who you know is an alcholic.

 

[iluvtheSims]

Sorry no disrespect, but that it is a rediculous comparison. Making out with another mans wife is a great sin...having a glass of wine IS NOT A SIN, ONLY DRUNKENSS.

if you or other Christians believe it is sin, then Jesus first miracle was a sin, for he turned cheap wine into some very good wine. Apostle Paul would of been in sin when he suggested some wine to Timothy for what ailed him.

If alcohol convicts you not to drink then don't, but do not tell others it is a sin. Apostle Paul does suggest not to entertain something that might make another christian fall into sin, such as drinking in front of a friend who you know is an alcholic.

Their wine in the bible was grape juice... And no its not a ridiculous comparison.

 

[Knee V]

Alcoholic wine is the only naturally-occuring grape juice in existence. Any form of non-alcoholic grape juice is the product of us tampering with nature via pasteurization, which did not exist to those people in the Bible. As such, alcoholic wine is the only form of wine in the Bible. There was no such thing as non-alcoholic grape juice back then.

On a similar note, I am enjoying a glass of shiraz as we speak, and have been nursing this glass for the better part of an hour (which, translated, means that I am drinking this glass very slowly and enjoying it, and am not intoxicated).

 

[woodpecker]

Their wine in the bible was grape juice... And no its not a ridiculous comparison.

Well, explain to me how it's not rediculous?

How is making out with a married women the same as having a glass of wine, when the first would be sin and the latter is not?

 

[Charlie24]

John the Baptist didn't drink alcohol.

Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

I don't believe Jesus did either, or us for that matter.

 

[Blessedj01]

Jesus didn't do a lot of things. He had a purpose, he didn't need to do everything.

Jesus equivocally turned water into wine.

Also "neither drink wine nor strong drink" isn't necessarily saying never drink, it's more of a reference to not drinking as a force of habit.

 

[Charlie24]

So you believe it's ok for a born again Christian to drink alcohol, for whatever reason?

 

[Blessedj01]

I don't think it's okay "for whatever reason."

 

[Charlie24]

Besides killing our Christian testimony, I believe it grieves the Holy Spirit to partake in alcohol. How can I "come out from among them and be separate" while making alcohol a part of my life?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Besides killing our Christian testimony, I believe it grieves the Holy Spirit to partake in alcohol. How can I "come out from among them and be separate" while making alcohol a part of my life?

Exactly. Which is also why I don't wear clothes, eat potato chips, or walk on my feet.

Because those are things the world does.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

So you believe it's ok for a born again Christian to drink alcohol, for whatever reason?

It was never a problem for the ancient Israelites, Jesus, or the early Christians.

It seems to only be a problem for people who want it to be a problem. Fortunately I don't conform my moral principles to fringe fundamentalist social mores. Instead I concern myself with Scripture and the ethical concerns of the historic Christian faith. Moderate alcohol consumption has never been a problem in the past for the Church, so there's no reason why it should be now.

If the surrounding culture has a misconception that "Christians don't drink" then what does it matter? I don't live my life to conform to cultural stereotypes, my "witness" isn't dependent on me trying to appear holy before the world.

Moralism isn't holiness. It's just vanity.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Charlie24]

It was never a problem for the ancient Israelites, Jesus, or the early Christians.

It seems to only be a problem for people who want it to be a problem. Fortunately I don't conform my moral principles to fringe fundamentalist social mores. Instead I concern myself with Scripture and the ethical concerns of the historic Christian faith. Moderate alcohol consumption has never been a problem in the past for the Church, so there's no reason why it should be now.

If the surrounding culture has a misconception that "Christians don't drink" then what does it matter? I don't live my life to conform to cultural stereotypes, my "witness" isn't dependent on me trying to appear holy before the world.

Moralism isn't holiness. It's just vanity.

-CryptoLutheran

Do you confess to the priest after drinking alcohol or is alcohol generally accepted in the CC?

 

[Blessedj01]

Besides killing our Christian testimony, I believe it grieves the Holy Spirit to partake in alcohol. How can I "come out from among them and be separate" while making alcohol a part of my life?

If that's your conviction, fine. A beer in private at home by the bbq or a wine at dinner with friends in a restaurant is hardly going to 'kill' our testimony. In fact it may even aid it. I'm not talking about doing body shots at Coyote Ugly until 4am.

 

[Blessedj01]

Do you confess to the priest after drinking alcohol or is alcohol generally accepted in the CC?

Was that a thinly veiled diss?