For creationists: give me your arguments against evolution.

[juvenissun]

This is both false and irrelevant. False, because complete genomes of extinct species and subspecies are now being sequenced more or less routinely. Irrelevant, because the genetic relationship between living species is more than enough to demonstrate common descent.


Common ancestry is a story that explains a vast range of data and makes numerous, specific and successful predictions. Contrast that with creationism, which can explain no feature of genetic data, and avoids discussing it.

The genetic study you are doing (I think) is a very short time period study (years). Of course, any such study WILL have some kind of observable continuity. But that does not mean the concept of common ancestry is true because it is normally used on an idea which stretched over immense amount of time. So, use a very short time result to support a concept of very long time is not valid. And honestly, you should not use a single term (common ancestry) for the ideas of two systems that have drastically different time scale. When you do that, it is a deliberately cheating.

 

[juvenissun]

Sequencing can be done on extinct species, depending on how long ago they became extinct and if there is recoverable DNA present in the specimen. Nonetheless, it isn't necessary for the reasons I already gave you.

How far can you go back? Pliocene?

If you can find a good study of that and can support the idea of evolution, I wouldn't mind to browse it. (probably I could not understand the detail).

What does the DNA sequence of Neanderthals say about human evolution? If we can not figure that out, what else can we figure out?

 

[SkyWriting]

Why do you reject evolution?

Assuming a common origin based on perceived similarities is bad science.

 

[xTx]

I always miss the start of anti-evolution threads, so I figured I'd turn the tables around. Why do you reject evolution?

Darwinism is but a theory. There is no scientific proof.

There are religions who think we are aliens.

As for me, my DNA is definitely from the human beings who started looking like human beings. That is xTx's theory ha ha ha

 

[Messy]

I always miss the start of anti-evolution threads, so I figured I'd turn the tables around. Why do you reject evolution?

I only reject evolution from monkey or what do you call it to man because it's not in Genesis and monkeys don't have a spirit, they don't have tempels and don't worship anything.
If old man apes whatever did it's before the Gap.

 

[SkyWriting]

Darwinism is but a theory. There is no scientific proof.

True. Science has no proofs.

But I've watched the natural selection process and
I can repeat the experiment for you as well. Many have.

Super-fast evolution - News 2010 - News & Events

 

[xTx]

True. Science has no proofs.

But I've watched the natural selection process and
I can repeat the experiment for you as well. Many have.

Super-fast evolution - News 2010 - News & Events

[making the sound of thinking] actually I personally think that someone is designing everything that we see in creation.

There are animals (for example) that have evolved in very sophisticated ways that natural selection process is something I will not go for at this point of my life's journey. I doubt I will ever accept the natural selection process.

And, I have experienced supernatural experiences that I cannot explain.

There is something out there. Definitely. Guiding us, protecting us.

Good example, the Great Designer designed the humble garden to be a home for all kinds of animals to live in. It is all very systematic - for the survival of life.

Another example, earth itself is a life support system - a space shape that moves us through space ok we always go round the sun - it is still space travelling.

You and I are space travellers

 

[SkyWriting]

I doubt I will ever accept the natural selection process.

Only if you eat.

Most of our food has been refined by natural selection
and then human selection for disease resistance
and other factors.

My dog has been selected for certain traits. He's a gem.

http://dogsdiscovered.com/poodle-mixes-from-a-z/cavapoo

 

[FreedByte]

Assuming a common origin based on perceived similarities is bad science.

Your analogy of the ferraris makes no sense. If they had DNA it would be wildly different. And if it is such bad science, go publish a paper disproving the scientific consensus.

 

[FreedByte]

Darwinism is but a theory.

In science, "theory" does not mean the same thing as it does in colloquial language. You know what else is a theory? Germ theory.

There is the same amount of evidence that evolution is real that there is that Napoleon was real.

There is no scientific proof.

It is the prevailing Theory (with a capital T) because currently the vast majority of the evidence points to it. Unless you or anyone else can provide substantial evidence for a different theory, evolution is true.

There are religions who think we are aliens.

Who cares?

As for me, my DNA is definitely from the human beings who started looking like human beings. That is xTx's theory ha ha ha

Well yes your parents were human beings, but millions of years ago there were no humans.

 

[FreedByte]

I only reject evolution from monkey

No, we evolved from a common ancestor with chimpanzees. If you reject that then you reject evolution and reject science.

because it's not in Genesis

So you believe an obviously allegorical book over overwhelming evidence. Nice.

and monkeys don't have a spirit, they don't have tempels and don't worship anything.

The majority of the world's christians hold that evolution is true, so clearly they have something in their theology that is more compatible with scientific truth.

 

[xTx]

Only if you eat.

Most of our food has been refined by natural selection
and then human selection for disease resistance
and other factors.

My dog has been selected for certain traits. He's a gem.

Cavapoo – All the facts you NEED to know about this Poodle-mix, designer dog

I love doggies. You are so fortunate to be able to have one. What type is he/she?

 

[xTx]

In science, "theory" does not mean the same thing as it does in colloquial language. You know what else is a theory? Germ theory.

There is the same amount of evidence that evolution is real that there is that Napoleon was real.



It is the prevailing Theory (with a capital T) because currently the vast majority of the evidence points to it. Unless you or anyone else can provide substantial evidence for a different theory, evolution is true.




Who cares?



Well yes your parents were human beings, but millions of years ago there were no humans.

Interesting. But at the end of the day it is all speculation until the missing link is found. Cheerio. Have a FUNtastic weekend

 

[SkyWriting]

Your analogy of the ferraris makes no sense. If they had DNA it would be wildly different. And if it is such bad science, go publish a paper disproving the scientific consensus.

I didn't say the science was bad, I said the conclusions drawn from the science are bad.

DNA is a building block and a road map. Comparing the AMOUNT of similar DNA is moronically stupid unless you know the function of each section of DNA and exactly what each section does and how it interacts with the other at what stage of the organisms life.

But that is the idiot moron stage we are at now. All we can do is compute the amount of similarities and differences and figure the math on what percent difference there is.

Not WHAT the each difference is and how significant each difference is. Each sequence of dna is more than a lego building block where you count the lego colors and compute the amount of difference. It's popular to spout the similarities between a chimp and man.


Why is this statement not repeated so often?

"New research has revealed that humans, worms and flies have many genomic processes in common. "

Because it doesn't further the evo agenda near as well, that's why. It's too big of a leap for evo non-believers to have the faith that we are kinfolk with worms and flies. The religion need to take baby steps first.

WHY is DNA similar with chimps? Why, it must be because of the visual similarities between the species......or perhaps not.

 

[SkyWriting]

I love doggies. You are so fortunate to be able to have one. What type is he/she?

We are blessed with Clair & Thor. (the pics are clickable)

"Human Selection" is similar to natural selection except you pick what traits you want to breed for.
So evolution works just as Darwin proposed for changes to a species.

What he speculated from this was the idea that one species could evolve into an new species.
This has also been found correct to the extent we can experiment.
However, we have failed to artificially breed a different "kind" of species.

According to the evo religion these small changes can account for wildly divergent species.
I don't believe this is the case.

 

[Shemjaza]

Interesting. But at the end of the day it is all speculation until the missing link is found. Cheerio. Have a FUNtastic weekend

Take your pick:

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I always miss the start of anti-evolution threads, so I figured I'd turn the tables around. Why do you reject evolution?

The odds are really against it happening.

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

The odds are really against it happening.

By the end of the first page if there ain't nuffin' then there ain't nuffin'












Bet you had a look (click here if you didn't) < or here if you missed that.

 

[Strathos]

Can we not talk about dogs? I just lost mine

 

[FreedByte]

Comparing the AMOUNT of similar DNA

We compare the percentage, not the amount. And between chimps and humans, it's upwards of 99%.

If you think this is invalid, then please do publish your findings and refute the rest of the scientific community.