For creationists: give me your arguments against evolution.

[Loudmouth]

From Wikipedia...

"A transitional fossil is any fossilized remains of a life form that exhibits traits common to both an ancestral group and its derived descendant group." (Herron, Scott Freeman, Jon C. (2004). Evolutionary analysis (3rd ed.). Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Education. p. 816.)​

Note the word "ancestral". I'm not sure what guru you follow in your belief system, but it appears that you're out of step with others definition of transitional fossil.

Nope, that is exactly what I am arguing. Notice that they are described as groups. This includes side branches that are not in the direct lineage leading to modern species. Transitionals can include side branches that are not direct ancestors of living species.

I claim that a designer is required for complex creations such as a Boeing 777 and the human body....there is no other explanation.

Have your parents taught you about the birds and the bees?

 

[Loudmouth]

No.

Then stop using the term atheistic, Darwinist, and creationist in the same term and I won't define satanic evolutionists as those who believe in a literal Genesis.

 

[justlookinla]

Nope, that is exactly what I am arguing. Notice that they are described as groups. This includes side branches that are not in the direct lineage leading to modern species. Transitionals can include side branches that are not direct ancestors of living species.

You said..."Transitional does not mean ancestral. Let me repeat. Transitional does not mean ancestral." According to the definition, transitional does include ancestral though. Your claim is in direct disagreement with the definition.

Have your parents taught you about the birds and the bees?

My parents did not design the human body.

 

[justlookinla]

Then stop using the term atheistic, Darwinist, and creationist in the same term and I won't define satanic evolutionists as those who believe in a literal Genesis.

Of course I'm not going to cease using the accurate term "atheistic Darwinist creationists". It'd be interesting to see your reasoning in labeling those who believe in a literal Genesis as "satanic evolutionists".

 

[Loudmouth]

You said..."Transitional does not mean ancestral. Let me repeat. Transitional does not mean ancestral." According to the definition, transitional does include ancestral though.

It also includes cousins that are not direct ancestors. When someone says that a fossil is transitional, they are not saying that the fossils is, 100%, a direct ancestor of a living species. They are saying that the fossil has a mixture of features from two different species groups.

My parents did not design the human body.

Even more proof on my side. The design comes about naturally without any input of intelligence.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course I'm not going to cease using the accurate term "atheistic Darwinist creationists". It'd be interesting to see your reasoning in labeling those who believe in a literal Genesis as "satanic evolutionists".

creationism: the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.
Creationist | Define Creationist at Dictionary.com

 

[justlookinla]

It also includes cousins that are not direct ancestors. When someone says that a fossil is transitional, they are not saying that the fossils is, 100%, a direct ancestor of a living species. They are saying that the fossil has a mixture of features from two different species groups.

Yes, but you said "Transitional does not mean ancestral. Let me repeat. Transitional does not mean ancestral." Transitional does include ancestral, and decedent, which in turn becomes ancestral, according to the Wikipedia definition....of which you apparently disagree.

Even more proof on my side. The design comes about naturally without any input of intelligence.

Design without a designer?

 

[justlookinla]

creationism: the doctrine that matter and all things were created, substantially as they now exist, by an omnipotent Creator, and not gradually evolved or developed.
Creationist | Define Creationist at Dictionary.com

cre·ate
krēˈāt/
verb
verb: create; 3rd person present: creates; past tense: created; past participle: created; gerund or present participle: creating
bring (something) into existence.
"he created a thirty-acre lake"
synonyms:produce, generate, bring into being, make, fabricate, fashion, build, construct; Moredesign, devise, originate, frame, develop, shape, form, forge
"she has created a work of stunning originality"


establish, found, initiate, institute, constitute, inaugurate, launch, set up, form, organize, develop
"the governments planned to create a free-trade zone"




cause (something) to happen as a result of one's actions.
"divorce only created problems for children"
synonyms:bring about, give rise to, lead to, result in, cause, breed, generate, engender, produce, make for, promote, foster, sow the seeds of, contribute to

 

[Loudmouth]

Yes, but you said "Transitional does not mean ancestral. Let me repeat. Transitional does not mean ancestral." Transitional does include ancestral, and decedent, which in turn becomes ancestral, according to the Wikipedia definition....of which you apparently disagree.

I agree with the Wiki definition:

"Because of the incompleteness of the fossil record, there is usually no way to know exactly how close a transitional fossil is to the point of divergence. Therefore, we can't assume transitional fossils are direct ancestors of more recent groups, though they are frequently used as models for such ancestors."
Transitional fossil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Design without a designer?

Happens all of the time in nature.

 

[Loudmouth]

cre·ate
krēˈāt/
verb
verb: create; 3rd person present: creates; past tense: created; past participle: created; gerund or present participle: creating
bring (something) into existence.
"he created a thirty-acre lake"
synonyms:produce, generate, bring into being, make, fabricate, fashion, build, construct; Moredesign, devise, originate, frame, develop, shape, form, forge
"she has created a work of stunning originality"


establish, found, initiate, institute, constitute, inaugurate, launch, set up, form, organize, develop
"the governments planned to create a free-trade zone"




cause (something) to happen as a result of one's actions.
"divorce only created problems for children"
synonyms:bring about, give rise to, lead to, result in, cause, breed, generate, engender, produce, make for, promote, foster, sow the seeds of, contribute to

That is not the same word. Try again. Of course, I am expecting something close to honesty from you, which is a mistake.

 

[justlookinla]

It also includes cousins that are not direct ancestors. When someone says that a fossil is transitional, they are not saying that the fossils is, 100%, a direct ancestor of a living species. They are saying that the fossil has a mixture of features from two different species groups.

And it means, contrary to your statement, that ancestral is part of transitional fossils. As well as descendent.

Even more proof on my side. The design comes about naturally without any input of intelligence.

Give an example of a complex machine which came about without any input of intelligence.

 

[justlookinla]

I agree with the Wiki definition:

"Because of the incompleteness of the fossil record, there is usually no way to know exactly how close a transitional fossil is to the point of divergence. Therefore, we can't assume transitional fossils are direct ancestors of more recent groups, though they are frequently used as models for such ancestors."
Transitional fossil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Great.

Happens all of the time in nature.

Really? Tell me about this machine, it's function and purpose. Why is it designed as such?

 

[FreedByte]

 

[Loudmouth]

And it means, contrary to your statement, that ancestral is part of transitional fossils. As well as descendent.

It does not require the fossil to be a direct ancestor or descendant. Transitional refers to the mixture of features, not a direct ancestral or descendant relationship.

Give an example of a complex machine which came about without any input of intelligence.

Have your parents taught you about the birds and the bees?

 

[Loudmouth]

Really? Tell me about this machine, it's function and purpose. Why is it designed as such?

You asked for design. There it is.

 

[justlookinla]

I disagree, it's going somewhere.

 

[justlookinla]

You asked for design. There it is.

You're not going to tell us the machine's function and purpose and why it's designed as such, are you?

There's a reason you're not.

 

[Loudmouth]

You're not going to tell us the machine's function and purpose and why it's designed as such, are you?

There's a reason you're not.

You asked for design, and I showed you a naturally occurring design. It is your own claims that designs must also have function and purpose.

As usual, you are incapable of an adult conversation. You are back on ignore.

 

[justlookinla]

It does not require the fossil to be a direct ancestor or descendant. Transitional refers to the mixture of features, not a direct ancestral or descendant relationship.

It includes ancestral and descent, according to the Wikipedia definition.

Have your parents taught you about the birds and the bees?

The birds, bees nor my parents designed and created this incomprehensibly complex machine that I am.

 

[justlookinla]

You asked for design, and I showed you a naturally occurring design. It is your own claims that designs must also have function and purpose.

As usual, you are incapable of an adult conversation. You are back on ignore.

Design of a machine includes function and purpose, like it or not.

I'm not going to miss your atheistic Darwinist creationist guesses and suppositions.