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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
 

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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
Yes.

-- A2SG, not sure how much my personal situation would depend on who's in the White House though, to be honest...
 
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I mean, he has to leave in 2028, right? heh-heh? Right?

It's hard to really think of this situation in real terms. I mean, part of 'my personal situation' is my feeling about whether America is on the right track, and doing the right things and not the wrong things. His messaging indicates I won't be happy if he executes his stated plans. Sure, I can wait to see what he actually does, but I have no reason to believe (and every reason not to) that he will run the country in a way I approve of.

If somehow I could restrict my opinion to purely selfish motives, it would depend on whether "the improvement in my situation" is directly attributable to Trump's actions. We all know that many things, from the stock market to gas prices, are not directly under the president's control, no matter how much they take credit for them when they are good.

Sure, Trump could remove his cap on the SALT deduction, which was entirely created to punish people in (mostly blue) states with high taxes. That would put some money back in my pocket that he took away. But money is not really a strong motivator for me when evaluating a president. And his stated plans for tariffs would appear to inevitably lead to a worse financial situation for everybody, as the GOP of yesteryear would tell you.

I have it easy; most of Trump's bad policies don't target me: White, male, cisgendered, and if I wear a cap, you can't see the horns growing out of my head. But again, my personal situation is not as important to me in a president as the situation of the nation.
 
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Yes. Allegiance to Donald Trump has torn apart many families in America. Because he sows divisiveness, not unity, for personal gain. And he saddles my grandkids with far more debt than anyone can imagine. Many problems we see exacerbated in America today are a consequence from his first term in office. Trump supporters ignore these consequences and pretend Donald somehow helps America. It is folly.

Donald Trump placates the superiority complex suffered by deluded fans and emboldens their self-righteous attitudes. This man brings out the absolute worst in fans and haters alike. The hatred in individuals is the object of Trump’s appeal to people. And it's very difficult for people to admit to themselves while in the throes of their hate.

If history teaches anything at all it seems to be this:
Humans continually refuse to learn from history. Unfortunately though, some mistakes cannot be undone. Hopefully our democracy will endure but I don't think some will accept democracy if they aren't privileged anymore. Many people can dish it out but can't take it. I'm old enough (but not too old) to remember that insurrection a mere three years ago. Those misguided and outraged folks were not fighting for our democracy, but against it. They are not well from their delusions, I fear.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
If the betterment of my personal situation could be directly linked to a Trump I would not want him out just because he is Trump. But we must not be self centered. I consider the good of the country and world as well

I don't see anything good happening in self, country or world under Trump. He is toxic but people want him because he seems to offer clear answers, like whatever he says, which is often not really very clear at all. In so many countries people have opted for a strong nondemocratic leader who will just take control. It is easier. But it is not democracy. And it is not good.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
That depends on how Trump is performing in other areas. I am not judging Trump on how my retirement fund is performing. I'm judging him on how I think he is doing as a world leader. His performance to date has been rather abysmal. If he improves given a second term I will be greatly surprised, but will laud him with all credit due.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
Yes.

His brand of politics and the people they attract have been utterly toxic for this country and to reelect him would simply be rewarding bad behavior. It would reinforce in future candidates’ minds that sort of low class behavior and open corruption is not just acceptable but the only way to advance in politics in this country. We can always recover from a bad economy but Trump’s nasty brand of politics and leadership that seek to push the country apart is creating irreparable damage to our social fabric.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
Yes, I am not driven by greed. Trump was an appalling president the first time around, so with his wounded vanity and thirst for retribution, along with the GOP ceding its values and policies to Trumpism it could only be worse.

Do you think he has any clear policies of his own or do you think he'll go with Project 2025? He already tried to push federal civil servants not deemed sufficiently loyal out of their jobs but he has sworn to do it more ruthlessly if there is a next time around.

Plus the absolute immunity coupled with insurrection thing bodes ill for the future under his boot.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
Yes, because he is who he is.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?

I would sacrifice a degree of my quality of life to have a law-abiding, emotionally mature, mentally stable and competent president representing our country.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
If he’s reelected he’s out of office at the end of the term regardless.
 
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If he’s reelected he’s out of office at the end of the term regardless.
Is he though? If he fires top military and puts his own loyalists in charge, the rules may change.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
Because of who he is? Yes, absolutely.

My personal situation doesn't have a thing to do with who is president and I don't evaluate them based on my situation. Not now. Not in 2020. Not in 2016. (Repeat until 18.)
 
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Is he though? If he fires top military and puts his own loyalists in charge, the rules may change.
In order for that rule to change there would need to be an amendment which goes through congress and THEN is approve by 3/4 of the states.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
What makes you think that any rational person would attempt to answer such a loaded question?
 
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In order for that rule to change there would need to be an amendment which goes through congress and THEN is approve by 3/4 of the states.
Only if Trump is interested in playing by the rules, which he hasn't really been before. There are plenty of pretexts that he could invent to remain in power, and as long as the Supreme Court is willing to go along with them, there's not much that could be done about it.

Do I think that'll actually happen? Not really. But he's definitely laid the groundwork.
 
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I would sacrifice a degree of my quality of life to have a law-abiding, emotionally mature, mentally stable and competent president representing our country.
Let me know when such a man is running
 
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Let me know when such a man is running
It likely won't be in the near future as Americans in general have made it clear we do not demand those traits in a candidate. It appears we are perfectly accepting of the below traits through both our votes and our donations.

1. Known and blatant criminal behaviour
2. Dementia at any stages
3. Behaving as children (name calling and temper tantrums)
4. Any untreated, serious mental health condition
5. Gross Nepotism
6. Blatant Adulterers
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
Yes. I want him out of office because he makes nutty conspiracy theories and misinformation popular across the nation, among other things. I consider him to be an extremely bad influence. And he's been wrecking the Republican Party. I want a balance of conservatives and liberals, and it's getting very hard to find a fiscal conservative these days.

I'm not greedy enough to be focused on my personal situation when judging politicians.
 
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Suppose that Trump gets back in office and your personal situation improves do you dislike Trump so much that you would still want him out of office just because he is Trump?
Notwithstanding that I'm Australian...If I were American then I would do whatever I could to prevent him being elected. When I vote, I don't vote for what is best for me (unless It'sa local council election). I vote for what's best for the country.

To have Trump representing my country to the world ('he's the best you could find?') would be devastating.
 
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