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And I was supposed to remember?!?I already did in post 64.
I don't care about the offerings. The question is "What is meant by the word "feast" in the OT?"This is a summary of the commandments regarding grain offerings, drink offerings and all the burnt offerings involved in the holy times.
Conklin, the verse Ezek. 45:17 is a summary of this passage. So are some of the ones in Chronicles.And I was supposed to remember?!?
I don't care about the offerings. The question is "What is meant by the word "feast" in the OT?"
Whether is is a "summary" of the passage or not is irrelevant. The question is "What does the word "feast" mean in the OT?".
And that question would be?And it helps answer the question about the holy appointments.
Whether is is a "summary" of the passage or not is irrelevant. The question is "What does the word "feast" mean in the OT?".
It begs the question that the same is true for some of the texts in Chronicles.
And that question would be?
Please be explicit; I don't like guessing games.
Sabbath
Num 28:9 "On the Sabbath day, two male lambs a year old without blemish, and two tenths of an ephah of fine flour for a grain offering, mixed with oil, and its drink offering:
Num 28:10 this is the burnt offering of every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering and its drink offering.
New Moon
Num 28:11 "At the beginnings of your months, you shall offer a burnt offering to the LORD: two bulls from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish;
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Passover
Num 28:16 "On the fourteenth day of the first month is the LORD's Passover,
Num 28:17 and on the fifteenth day of this month is a feast. Seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Num 28:18 On the first day there shall be a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work,
Num 28:19 but offer a food offering, a burnt offering to the LORD: two bulls from the herd, one ram, and seven male lambs a year old; see that they are without blemish;
Feast of Weeks
Num 28:26 "On the day of the firstfruits, when you offer a grain offering of new grain to the LORD at your Feast of Weeks, you shall have a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work,
Num 28:27 but offer a burnt offering, with a pleasing aroma to the LORD: two bulls from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old;
Feast of Trumpets
Num 29:1 "On the first day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work. It is a day for you to blow the trumpets,
Num 29:2 and you shall offer a burnt offering, for a pleasing aroma to the LORD: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old without blemish;
Num 29:3 also their grain offering of fine flour mixed with oil, three tenths of an ephah for the bull, two tenths for the ram,
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Day of Atonement
Num 29:7 "On the tenth day of this seventh month you shall have a holy convocation and afflict yourselves. You shall do no work,
Num 29:8 but you shall offer a burnt offering to the LORD, a pleasing aroma: one bull from the herd, one ram, seven male lambs a year old: see that they are without blemish.
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Feast of Tabernacles
Num 29:12 "On the fifteenth day of the seventh month you shall have a holy convocation. You shall not do any ordinary work, and you shall keep a feast to the LORD seven days.
Num 29:13 And you shall offer a burnt offering, a food offering, with a pleasing aroma to the LORD, thirteen bulls from the herd, two rams, fourteen male lambs a year old; they shall be without blemish;
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Num 29:39 "These you shall offer to the LORD at your appointed feasts, in addition to your vow offerings and your freewill offerings, for your burnt offerings, and for your grain offerings, and for your drink offerings, and for your peace offerings."
Num 29:40 So Moses told the people of Israel everything just as the LORD had commanded Moses.
In Lev 23 we have the "appointed times" that include both feast days and annual Sabbaths.
In the list above no "Feast of Sabbath" and no "feast of Atonement" -- in fact in Lev 23 the Day of Atonement is a day for humbling one's self before the Lord.
So just as we saw in Lev 23 with the "appointed times" including both the Feast days AS WELL as the annual Sabbaths...
The Point remains for Col 2 -- the annual Sabbaths were shadows of a future Messianic event. The feasts are listed in Lev 23.
in Col 2 -- Paul is not ENDING any of them -- rather he condemns those who judge others for their practice of them.
What significant detail Tall73 keeps overlooking with much effort - is that in Gen 2:3 and in Ex 20:8-11 AND in Ex 16 where we see Sabbath first made Holy - First defined - FIRST noted -- there is no "animal sacrifice" in the "definition" of that memorial of Christ's Work at Creation!
It is a memorial pointing BACK to Christ's finished work at Creation!
in Christ,
Bob
In Lev 23 we have the "appointed times" that include both feast days and annual Sabbaths.
And yet there is a day of atonement and a weekly sabbath.In the list above no "Feast of Sabbath" and no "feast of Atonement" -- in fact in Lev 23 the Day of Atonement is a day for humbling one's self before the Lord.
and the weekly sabbath.So just as we saw in Lev 23 with the "appointed times" including both the Feast days AS WELL as the annual Sabbaths...
Actually the passover was, when it was DEFINED, as you like to say, was about the release from Egypt and the sparing of the firstborn of the Israelites. It was a memorial. And it still pointed forward to Jesus, and it points forward according to Luke to the kingdom.The Point remains for Col 2 -- the annual Sabbaths were shadows of a future Messianic event. The feasts are listed in Lev 23.
Or non-practice. He says all of them are shadows. They are not the reality.in Col 2 -- Paul is not ENDING any of them -- rather he condemns those who judge others for their practice of them.
And you keep overlooking that no weekly observance at all was noted in Gen. and that when it was made holy in Ex. it was for the Israelites as a sign.What significant detail Tall73 keeps overlooking with much effort - is that in Gen 2:3 and in Ex 20:8-11 AND in Ex 16 where we see Sabbath first made Holy - First defined - FIRST noted -- there is no "animal sacrifice" in the
"definition" of that memorial of Christ's Work at Creation!
Exactly, just like the passover pointed back to the exodus--and so did the sabbath in Deut.It is a memorial pointing BACK to Christ's finished work at Creation!
in Christ,
Bob
Exactly, just like the passover pointed back to the exodus--and so did the sabbath in Deut.
Exactly, just like the passover pointed back to the exodus
Tall, the passover is not a 'memorial' to the Exodus.
If there had been no passover, would there have been an exodus?
BFA
Can't say definitively one way or the other. Of course, no matter what I answer it doesn't change the fact that the passover was not a memorial to the exodus.
How do you separate the two?
Correct.Without the blood, there was no freedom.
I have. Passover is not a memorial to the exodus, it is the physical type of God's actual sacrifice. One must accept the blood, use the blood to cover their sin (door post, "Sin lieth at your door....") and ingest the sacrifice (John 6:55) in order to safe from the plague of death.Think about what these things symbolize.
Passover is not a memorial to the exodus, it is the physical type of God's actual sacrifice.
Which allows for the exodus and freedom.
You previously indicated that you cannot say definitively that, if there had been no passover lamb, there would have been no exodus. Hopefully you are now ready to amend this statement.
It would be a tragedy if one read the story of the exodus and the story of the cross and failed to notice the connection between the shedding of blood and the exodus.
Jesus Christ is the passover lamb. His sacrifice is what makes the exodus (and the subsequent freedom) possible.
Can't say definitively one way or the other. Of course, no matter what I answer it doesn't change the fact that the passover was not a memorial to the exodus.
Tall73
And the weekly Sabbath.
Tall73
But you are overlooking the important point here. Numbers 28 and 29 are what is being summarized in Ezekiel 45:17 which is the closest parallel to Col 2.
I've yet to see this issue addressed directly.
BFA
The fact is that Passover as instituted on day one was "defined" by "animal sacrifice". Take away the lamb and you have nothing in that service.
By contrast God's own Holy Day was DEFINED in Gen 2:3 by rest.
God confirms this in Ex 20:8-11 - as HE points us BACK to Gen 2:3 and show how it is to be observed.
And in Is 66:22-23 we see the Sabbath (again WITHOUT animal sacrifice) being observed for all eternity in the New Earth by "ALL MANKIND" who "come before God to WORSHIP".
And as Christ confirms in Mark 2:27 regarding HIS OWN Holy day "The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND"
It could not be any easier to understand.
in Christ,
Bob
I agree that Passover is given as a memorial
BUT it was DEFINED from day one in "animal sacrifice"
NOTHING of the KIND was present for the HOLY DAY of Gen 2:3 that is clearly identified in Ex 20:8-11.
So ALSO the ALL MANKIND scope for Sabbath in Gen 2:3 and in Is 66:22-23 and in Mark 2:27.
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