Focused discussion--Are the Sabbaths of Col 2 weekly or yearly?

[BobRyan]

A deeper study with the verse Mark 2:27;

The word "man" in that verse does refer to mankind with Greek word as anthrœpos with Strong's number 444 which one of the meaning is mankind in EDNT, please find verse and trasnliteration below;

Mark 2:27
27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
NKJV

I don't expect you to take my word for it, but just so you know where I am coming from. A couple of years ago I did a little personal study on the greek word and found it could mean either man "specific", or mankind".

Indeed the problem is not with "mankind" or the "greek word".

"Man was not MADE for the Sabbath" makes that clear.

"Man shall not live by bread alone" makes that clear in Matt 4.

"One Mediator between God and Man" 1Tim 2

The word easily translates "mankind" rather than "just one man".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[ricker]

Indeed the problem is not with "mankind" or the "greek word".

"Man was not MADE for the Sabbath" makes that clear.

"Man shall not live by bread alone" makes that clear in Matt 4.

"One Mediator between God and Man" 1Tim 2

The word easily translates "mankind" rather than "just one man".

in Christ,

Bob

"man" can indeed mean man specific or mankind.

Context is your enemy.
Please first of all notice the Sabbath was made, not eternal.
Secondly in context the issue being discussed is not the origions of the Sabbath, but it's observance. Thirdly the audience was Jewish, and Jesus is speaking to them. Fourthly, "just one man" is not what is meant, but the specific men of the Jewish covenant. Fifthly, If you read the preceeding verses Jesus compares the old sacrificial laws with the Sabbath.

24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions."

The fact is the Bible is very clear as to who it was given to.

Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come,......The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever,.......

You are trying to support vastly important theological positions on a passage that is disputable at best.

 

[Cribstyl]

Indeed the problem is not with "mankind" or the "greek word".

"Man was not MADE for the Sabbath" makes that clear.

"Man shall not live by bread alone" makes that clear in Matt 4.

"One Mediator between God and Man" 1Tim 2

The word easily translates "mankind" rather than "just one man".

in Christ,

Bob

With all due respect Bob, The greek word used for "man"
anthrōpos
more often than not, it does not address all of mankind.

Here are the KJV refs to "man"

Mat(106)Mar(48)Luk(90)Jhn(53)Act(45)Rom(25)1Cr(25)2Cr(8)Gal(11)Eph(9)Phl(3)Col(5)1Th(5)2Th(2)1Ti(9)2Ti(5)Tts(5)Hbr(8)Jam(7)1Pe(6)2Pe(3)1Jo(1)Jud(1)Rev(24)

 

[capbook]

With all due respect also Cribstyl, anthrōpos one of the definitions are mankind and all human individuals;
1. EDNT
2. Thayer's Greek Lexicon


NT:444 anthrœpos human being, person; mankind; man

(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)

NT:444 anthrœpos
1. universally, with reference to the genus or nature, without distinction of sex, a human being, whether male or female: John 16:21. And in this sense a. with the article, generically, so as to include all human individuals:

(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, PC Study Bible formatted Electronic Database. Copyright © 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved)

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed. "unless" you think that after the Genesis 1-2:3 creation event where after six literal days of creation and after God "resting" on the 7th day and sanctifiying it -- He then came back at Sinai and began "creating a man" to which He then gave the Sabbath.

But of course that is silly since in Ex 20:8-11 God says that the MAKING of God had ended with the Gen 1-2:3 event.

Therefore the best exegesis of Mark 2:27 observes that "mankind NOT MADE for the Sabbath" is a reference to the "making of BOTH" in Gen 1-2:3.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[David Conklin]

Fifthly, If you read the preceeding verses Jesus compares the old sacrificial laws with the Sabbath.

24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"
25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." ​

That isn't a sacrifical law and there is no equation between the sabbath and the law regarding the bread in the Temple. The question was is it lawful to do good on the sabbath? By example Christ showed that David undeerstood the law correctly.

The fact is the Bible is very clear as to who it was given to.

Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come,......The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever,.......​

When you become a believer you are grafted onto the Living Branch. The unbelieving Jews were pruned off.

Most Christians at least as late as the 5th century still kept the sabbath.
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[tall73]

Conklin, if you get a chance check out this post earlier in the thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t7320477-22/#post52040152

 

[BobRyan]

That isn't a sacrifical law and there is no equation between the sabbath and the law regarding the bread in the Temple. The question was is it lawful to do good on the sabbath? By example Christ showed that David understood the law correctly.[/b]

Good point.

 

[Byfaithalone1]

That isn't a sacrifical law and there is no equation between the sabbath and the law regarding the bread in the Temple. The question was is it lawful to do good on the sabbath? By example Christ showed that David undeerstood the law correctly.

TRUE OR FALSE: As part of the God-given commands relating to sabbath observance, God commanded that animal sacrifices be offered on the sabbath.

Is there a relationship between the sabbath and ceremonial law? What is that relationship?

When you become a believer you are grafted onto the Living Branch. The unbelieving Jews were pruned off.

You seem to suggest that wild branches are grafted into the law. If that is your position, it is refuted by Romans 11.

Gentile believers are wild branches who are grafted into a vine/root that is holy. They are grafted into Jesus Christ alongside the natural branches. Wild branches do not become natural branches. They are merely grafted in alongside natural branches.

Most Christians at least as late as the 5th century still kept the sabbath.

Evidence?

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

With all due respect also Cribstyl, anthrōpos one of the definitions are mankind and all human individuals;

How interesting that not a single translation renders anthrōpos as "mankind."

BFA

 

[cesty]

I favor the following interpretation for Col. 2:16-17 - Asceticism

 

[djconklin]

I favor the following interpretation for Col. 2:16-17 - Asceticism

That fits with the evidence I have seen. See my study "An In-Depth Look at the Significant Words and Grammatical Structure of Colossians 2:16-17" at A Study on Col. 2:16-17