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Florida rejects math books containing CRT

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Um, you made a complex statement about black people and success and prison and victim mentality. Do you have any evidence for it?
Do you think that black people react any differently to victim mentality than any other people?
 
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When I was in grammar school, my reader had assumptions.

Yes, in the 1950's they used "Dick and Jane." They were white. Everyone they knew was white. They had an Ozzie and Harriet family where Dad worked and Mom stayed home. Lived in suburbs in their own home...

If the math word problems described Dick and Jane and their family they would still be presenting a template and a set of assumptions---that everyone lived with a father and a non-working mom in a pleasant suburban house in a white neighborhood with one sibling and all white friends.

So why is it "controversial" when more diverse examples are mentioned--examples that might be "normal" to other students.
 
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Do you think that black people react any differently to victim mentality than any other people?

I think you haven't provided any evidence for your statement about successful black people and black people in prison.
 
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This is nothing new. There have been special Southern editions of history books, that treat the Civil War in accordance with their preferences. Now we'll have special editions of all disciplines, in which only white heterosexuals exist.
 
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Do you think that black people react any differently to victim mentality than any other people?
Yes, they do. Consider for example the victim mentality of the Christian Right and how they act about it.
 
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This is nothing new. There have been special Southern editions of history books, that treat the Civil War in accordance with their preferences. Now we'll have special editions of all disciplines, in which only white heterosexuals exist.

You forgot about all marriages being ones where the wife always obeys her husband. They might barely be liberal enough to have some wives working outside the home, but never making more money than the man of the house.

Oh and most important NEVER having a woman outperform a man in math (or any science)!
 
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It isn't?

Well I don't expect everyone to understand it.

Do you know what the concept of race consciousness is in CRT?

I remember a while back when I first heard of CRT, I asked people here what it was and to describe it to me. I also went out of my way to look up some of the "founders" of CRT and even read one of their books to get a better idea of where they are coming from. I listened to people who had been studying CRT for years and have become experts on the subject. Now when I see reports about CRT being in the classroom, I know what that means and it makes sense to me to not want the CRT ideology infiltrating every subject in every classroom. It has nothing whatsoever to do with teaching or not teaching students about history or pretending that black people don't exist or any of the other ridiculous arguments I keep seeing (usually from somewhere on the political left) over and over, which goes to show that either these folks don't have a clue about what CRT actually is or they know what it is and are intentionally working to deceive people through false naivity.

I really wish people would learn what CRT is before deciding to argue that it doesn't exist in schools or that parents have no reason to be alarmed or that it's just a "conservative scare tactic" (or talking point) or any of those other accusations. True liberals don't want all the harmful, racial pseudo-science being pushed onto kids either. We want less racial division, not more.
 
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I really wish people would learn what CRT is before deciding to argue that it doesn't exist in schools or that parents have no reason to be alarmed or that it's just a "conservative scare tactic"

With the research you've done, maybe you could tell us, and show us where it is in the schools.
 
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I remember a while back when I first heard of CRT, I asked people here what it was and to describe it to me. I also went out of my way to look up some of the "founders" of CRT and even read one of their books to get a better idea of where they are coming from. I listened to people who had been studying CRT for years and have become experts on the subject. Now when I see reports about CRT being in the classroom, I know what that means and it makes sense to me to not want the CRT ideology infiltrating every subject in every classroom. It has nothing whatsoever to do with teaching or not teaching students about history or pretending that black people don't exist or any of the other ridiculous arguments I keep seeing (usually from somewhere on the political left) over and over, which goes to show that either these folks don't have a clue about what CRT actually is or they know what it is and are intentionally working to deceive people through false naivity.

I really wish people would learn what CRT is before deciding to argue that it doesn't exist in schools or that parents have no reason to be alarmed or that it's just a "conservative scare tactic" (or talking point) or any of those other accusations. True liberals don't want all the harmful, racial pseudo-science being pushed onto kids either. We want less racial division, not more.

Yeah, it's Marxist in origin but relies upon postmodernist views of reality to forward its arguments. It's dogmatic in its thinking, so it frequently gets equated to a religion or cult.

At the bottom....it has absolutely nothing to measure its claims by. One can't measure privilege or systemic racism or any other garbage it spews. It's faith based.

We don't teach children religion in school...not because it comes from a priest, not because it comes from a church....but because it is dogmatic and not rational. It's the faith based thinking that western civilization moved away from long ago.
 
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With the research you've done, maybe you could tell us, and show us where it is in the schools.

Well @essentialsaltes this teacher handed out a worksheet on white privilege (even if it just described it as privilege, she undoubtedly wanted to show a difference between white and non-white students).

If you don't understand that is CRT....what exactly do you want people to show you?

I can show you some of the earliest writings of Kimberle Crenshaw and how heavily she relies upon the concept of white privilege to reach her conclusions. This is all the way back when it was just a law school theory and before it spread.

Would that be sufficient? Would you then believe that every school teaching children about white privilege is teaching CRT?
 
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With the research you've done, maybe you could tell us, and show us where it is in the schools.

Or I could avoid a potential sealion situation by advising those who may be sincere about learning to "do the work" as they say.
 
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Yeah, it's Marxist in origin but relies upon postmodernist views of reality to forward its arguments. It's dogmatic in its thinking, so it frequently gets equated to a religion or cult.

At the bottom....it has absolutely nothing to measure its claims by. One can't measure privilege or systemic racism or any other garbage it spews. It's faith based.

We don't teach children religion in school...not because it comes from a priest, not because it comes from a church....but because it is dogmatic and not rational. It's the faith based thinking that western civilization moved away from long ago.

It gets me how many of the same people who complain about "science denial" have fallen prey to this faith-based ideology, and yet even judging its validity on the basis of faith or theology, it falls shallow and flat. There still needs to be some reasonable pursuit of truth.
 
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It gets me how many of the same people who complain about "science denial" have fallen prey to this faith-based ideology, and yet even judging its validity on the basis of faith or theology, it falls shallow and flat. There still needs to be some reasonable pursuit of truth.

Things they can't measure or describe in any meaningful way....but treat as fact.

1. Power
2. Oppression
3. Anything systemic, including bias and racism
4. Privilege
5. Whiteness (my personal favorite).
6. Equity.
7. Equality.
9. Male or Female
10. Social constructs

I could go on but you get the idea. It's sad really, because I thought people were smarter than this.
 
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I think you haven't provided any evidence for your statement about successful black people and black people in prison.
I believe that I have provided more than reasonable evidence but if you are not satisfied I suggest you do your own research to satisfy whatever your standards of evidence require.
 
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She wrote about the experience of being black in America. Thats CRT-adjacent enough for a good banning.
Being Black in America is racist now?
 
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Is this word problem in the new Florida Math?

1. Joe and John are running for office. After the polls close and all votes are counted, Candidate Joe has 306 votes and Candidate John has 232. Who has more votes?
a) Joe
b) John
c) Joe must have cheated
 
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