Flood Physics.

[inquiring mind]

In terms of a civilization? No.

I don’t know about that... we went from a quill to the Internet and an oxcart to a space shuttle in 200 years.

 

[Strathos]

I think they're called "local floods;" and it distinguishes them from The Flood.

I find it much more reasonable to interpret the flood narrative in Genesis as a large local flood than to believe that the entire geologic history of earth is a lie. But you go with whatever makes you feel better.

 

[AV1611VET]

I find it much more reasonable to interpret the flood narrative in Genesis as a large local flood than to believe that the entire geologic history of earth is a lie. But you go with whatever makes you feel better.

Why build an ark then?

Why not just vacate the area?

 

[Strathos]

Why build an ark then?

Why not just vacate the area?

Ask that to everyone who died from these floods (which would have been much smaller): List of deadliest floods - Wikipedia

 

[AV1611VET]

Ask that to everyone who died from these floods (which would have been much smaller): List of deadliest floods - Wikipedia

Did they have 120 years of advanced warning?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, and I didn't say they were.

Egyptian history goes past even your supposed and so far unsupported Septuagint date. Though there were various tribes there before this the first king of a United Egypt is 3100 BCE.

History of Egypt - Wikipedia

 

[inquiring mind]

Egyptian history goes past even your supposed and so far unsupported Septuagint date.

Weren’t we previously discussing required time for re-establishment after the flood? But, of course, people were there before, and they would have been victims of it. They weren’t tipped off about it, and wouldn’t have had much time to write about it when it was happening.

Though there were various tribes there before this the first king of a United Egypt is 3100 BCE.

As I said, any various tribes before would have been flood victims, and 3100 BC is 200 years after the Septuagint's Flood date.

 

[AV1611VET]

Egyptian history goes past even your supposed and so far unsupported Septuagint date. Though there were various tribes there before this the first king of a United Egypt is 3100 BCE.

History of Egypt - Wikipedia

Secular history can't get the year of Jesus' birth right.

 

[AV1611VET]

As I said, any various tribes before would have been flood victims, and 3100 BC is 200 years after the Septuagint's Flood date.

I don't know if you know this already, but Mizraim, Noah's grandson, was the father of the Egyptians.

Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

That puts Egypt's founding after the Flood.

 

[Strathos]

Did they have 120 years of advanced warning?

From a guy they all thought was nuts and didn't bother listening to? Not sure that that would have helped.

 

[AV1611VET]

From a guy they all thought was nuts and didn't bother listening to? Not sure that that would have helped.

So where are these Nephilim today, and what happened to all those people who had flesh corruption?

If all flesh had corrupted itself on the earth except for Noah's line, you'd think there would be a LOT more cooties in our system today, wouldn't you?

Did God miraculously heal these hybrid sons-of-god/daughters-of-men so they could continue on?

 

[lasthero]

As I said, any various tribes before would have been flood victims, and 3100 BC is 200 years after the Septuagint's Flood date.

Think about what you're saying.

Noah's Flood happens, and in 200 years, Egypt has developed in a full kingdom, developed a language, culture, religion all its own, has millions of citizens, and all from, what, eight people? And that's just Egypt, that's not including all the other civilizations that were around at the time - while estimates vary, even the most conservative ones have well over 10 million people living on the Earth around this time.

10 million people from a group of 8 survivors in 200 years?

But putting that aside, we know that the victims you're talking about didn’t die in the flood. They’re culture and language show the development into what would become Egyptian civilization. What you’re suggesting, whether you realize it or not, is that there was a thriving, growing civilization of people, who all the sudden died out, and then, soon after that, a new, completely different group of people settled in the same area, adopted the dead civilization's language and culture, then went about so seamlessly that no one studying them years later would be able to figure out they were unrelated to the groups living there before them.

Oh, and you have the same problem for the Chinese. And let’s not even get into the fact that there were people living in Australia and the Americas at this point

 

[AV1611VET]

10 million people from a group of 8 survivors in 200 years?

10 million!?

Is that all?

Let's take two earths: Earth 1 and Earth 2.

The Flood occurs on both Earths.

After the Flood, Earth 1 is on its own -- Mother Nature is in control.

Earth 2 has God handling the aftermath.

Now it's AD 2019.

How do the two Earths look?

I submit Earth 1 is a dead, rotted-out planet, whose inhabitants never recovered from its population bottleneck.

While Earth 2 looks like it does now.

What say you?

 

[VirOptimus]

10 million!?

Is that all?

Let's take two earths: Earth 1 and Earth 2.

The Flood occurs on both Earths.

After the Flood, Earth 1 is on its own -- Mother Nature is in control.

Earth 2 has God handling the aftermath.

Now it's AD 2019.

How do the two Earths look?

I submit Earth 1 is a dead, rotted-out planet, whose inhabitants never recovered from its population bottleneck.

While Earth 2 looks like it does now.

What say you?

”Magic” is not an answer.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Weren’t we previously discussing required time for re-establishment after the flood? But, of course, people were there before, and they would have been victims of it. They weren’t tipped off about it, and wouldn’t have had much time to write about it when it was happening.


As I said, any various tribes before would have been flood victims, and 3100 BC is 200 years after the Septuagint's Flood date.

Tell me, how difficult is it to find a match for a kidney transplant?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Secular history can't get the year of Jesus' birth right.

It is the other way around. The Bible can't get the year of Jesus's birth correct. Don't blame others for errors that are not theirs.

 

[Strathos]

So where are these Nephilim today, and what happened to all those people who had flesh corruption?

If all flesh had corrupted itself on the earth except for Noah's line, you'd think there would be a LOT more cooties in our system today, wouldn't you?

Did God miraculously heal these hybrid sons-of-god/daughters-of-men so they could continue on?

There is one vague reference to the Nephilim in Genesis that doesn't say any of what you're implying. You're taking the rest from the non-canonical Book of Enoch.

 

[inquiring mind]

Think about what you're saying.

I have.

Noah's Flood happens, and in 200 years, Egypt has developed in a full kingdom, developed a language, culture, religion all its own, has millions of citizens, and all from, what, eight people?

No, the flood happened in 3298 BC and the Old Kingdom began in 2700 BC. That's 600 years. Wouldn't the smaller groups of people during that era (including the 3100 BC reference) have had time to grow and develop (time for art, architecture, and religion to take shape)? I don't know where you're getting the 'millions of citizens' fiqure.

What you’re suggesting, whether you realize it or not, is that there was a thriving, growing civilization of people, who all the sudden died out, and then, soon after that, a new, completely different group of people settled in the same areadopted the dead civilizations language and culture, then when about so seamlessly that no one studying them years later would be able to figure out they were unrelated to the groups living there before them.

That's what the Bible tells us, and as AV points out, we have to remember the flood involved Divine intervention. And, the pre-flood civilization you're referring to may not have been quite so advanced as you are suggesting.

 

[lasthero]

I have.

It doesn’t seem that way.

No, the flood happened in 3298 BC and the Old Kingdom began in 2700 BC. That's 600 years. Wouldn't the smaller groups of people during that era (including the 3100 BC reference) have had time to grow and develop (time for art, architecture, and religion to take shape)?

Not just any art, architecture, and religion - one that matches the people who allegedly died in the flood. Despite the fact they’re descendants of Noah.

I don't know where you're getting the 'millions of citizens' fiqure.

Historical Estimates of World Population

That's what the Bible tells us, and as AV points out, we have to remember the flood involved Divine intervention.

If all you’re going to say in the face of contrary evidence is ‘magic!’ and make stuff up, then there’s not much point in discussion, now is there? You’re going to believe what you want to believe, and it doesn’t matter what shows it to be wrong.

And, the pre-flood civilization you're referring to may not have been quite so advanced as you are suggesting.

They’re advancement isn’t the point. The point is that they match the civilization that came after. If what you say is true, we wouldn’t expect them to have the same system of writing as the people that would settle on the exact same area - but they do. And it’s the same for the Chinese. It’s the same for other cultures, even ones on different continents, which they shouldn’t have even been able to get to after the flood.

If what you say is true, we should the developement of cultures all through the world abruptly stop at the flood, only to be replaced by new cultures...but that’s not what we see. Instead, we see culture’s continually growing, without any interruption. We see languages developing. We see cultures and beliefs building on what came before.

But, again, if you’re just going to say ‘Gd did it’ and use that to wave away anything, that’s fine. But at least admit the evidence isn’t on your side.

 

[AV1611VET]

But at least admit the evidence isn’t on your side.

Okay, I'll admit it:

The evidence isn't on your side.