Flood Geology

[AV1611VET]

Difficult = there is always a way to interpret the book to match any desire.

What's your desire?

Slave holders in the USA found all they needed to enoble their actions.

Until God put a stop to it.

Setting out to find and accept only what justifies a belief.

Hurry back.

This behaviour elsewhere identified as a issue of intellectual intergrity.

Be true to your school.

But make sure you have the right school.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Until God put a stop to it.

Gnrl. Sherman would like to have a word with you about that.

 

[Astrophile]

Jesus makes it very clear that we are to have an understanding of a child. For some people, the best they will ever be able to do is to function at a fifth-grade level. They just are not interested in progressing beyond that.

Matthew 18:3 “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Paul appears to disagree. I Corinthians 13:11. 'When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.'

 

[Astrid]

Paul appears to disagree. I Corinthians 13:11. 'When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.'

Not a....contradiction?

 

[AV1611VET]

Gnrl. Sherman would like to have a word with you about that.

I'm sure Hitler would like to have a word with me about God putting a stop to the spread of Nazism too.

 

[AV1611VET]

Paul appears to disagree. I Corinthians 13:11. 'When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.'

There's nothing wrong with being child-like; as long as you're not child-ish.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not a....contradiction?

No, it is not a contradiction.

 

[Diamond72]

It sure is: since 4004 BC.

We both agree that Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. We both agree that the ARK was real and the animals on the ARK were real animals. There is a lot we agree on.

 

[Diamond72]

There's nothing wrong with being child-like; as long as you're not child-ish.

I quote Matthew 18:13 "“I assure you,” He said, “unless you are converted and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven".

 

[Diamond72]

Paul appears to disagree.

You have to look at the context. Jesus said: "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea". Paul is not suggesting that we should abuse children.

 

[Lost Witness]

You have to look at the context. Jesus said: "But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea". Paul is not suggesting that we should abuse children.

don't feel this has anything to do with disciplining a child?
Pretty sure this has more to do with NOT disciplining a child or teaching them the Right way to go?

 

[doubtingmerle]

No, it didn't.

It was spoken into existence by a series of miracles that raised the level of mass/energy from zero to its current level over a six-day period.

You know that you have no credible answer for how those fossils could be down there if the earth is 6000 years old. So you ignore the question.

You know you have no credible answer for how we can see light that had to have traveled millions of years from the distant stars. So you ignore the question.

Then you declare victory.

All I can do is shake my head in sorrow.

 

[AV1611VET]

You know that you have no credible answer for how those fossils could be down there if the earth is 6000 years old. So you ignore the question.

And what was my incredible answer for how those fossils could be down there?

You know you have no credible answer for how we can see light that had to have traveled millions of years from the distant stars.

And what was my incredible answer for how we can see light that had to have traveled millions of light years?

 

[doubtingmerle]

And what was my incredible answer for how those fossils could be down there?



And what was my incredible answer for how we can see light that had to have traveled millions of light years?

You have no credible answer to the fossil record. You once suggested that God deliberately arranged them down there after the flood such that they look like what evolution expects, but you will not say yes when I ask you if you still believe this.

You once suggested that the stars were closer to earth when the light left the stars and then moved away very rapidly, or that light all travels through wormholes. But you have not responded when you were shown these were not credible answers.

So no, you have no credible answer to either question.

If you think you have a credible response, then it is your responsibility to give that response, not to make us guess what your response would be.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you think you have a credible response, then it is your responsibility to give that response, not to make us guess what your response would be.

I'll let God decide what's credible and what isn't.

 

[doubtingmerle]

I'll let God decide what's credible and what isn't.

Does God think that "the fossils were deliberately arranged that way after the flood" is a credible explanation?

Does God think that "all the light from all the billions of stars came through multiple wormholes" is a credible explanation?

Even if God thinks these are credible explanations, how would you know that God thinks they are credible?

 

[AV1611VET]

Does God think that "the fossils were deliberately arranged that way after the flood" is a credible explanation?

Does God think that "all the light from all the billions of stars came through multiple wormholes" is a credible explanation?

Does God think they can sigh in Egypt, and He hear it some 47 billion miles away in real time?

Exodus 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

Since when does sound travel through space?

Even if God thinks these are credible explanations, how would you know that God thinks they are credible?

Did I not present Jacob's Ladder as a wormhole?

All you want me to do is repeat myself, don't you?

Are you expecting me to contradict myself or something?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I'm sure Hitler would like to have a word with me about God putting a stop to the spread of Nazism too.

Wow, you really didn't understand my statement. The equivalent would be Eisenhower not wanting credit given all to "God".

My point was that the Army of the Tennessee and the Army of the Potomac put an end to slavery (along with the US Congress). That is all clearly in evidence. That any "god" had a role is not evidenced.

 

[doubtingmerle]

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Does God think they can sigh in Egypt, and He hear it some 47 billion miles away in real time?

Exodus 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

Since when does sound travel through space?



Did I not present Jacob's Ladder as a wormhole?

All you want me to do is repeat myself, don't you?

Are you expecting me to contradict myself or something?

OK, so you won't tell us if you still think those vast layers under the earth are the result of a giant cleanup effort after the flood, even though you jumped on a geology thread. How did all those layers, often more than two miles thick, form throughout the Earth complete with trillions of buried fossils, footprints, nests, sand dunes, animal burrows, etc.? None of that makes sense as a "giant cleanup after the flood".

Regarding the light from the distant stars, it now appears that you claim that the light just traveled faster, and has nothing to do with wormholes. Sorry, but the speed of light in a vacuum is known to be a constant. It is so reliably constant, that we now define the meter as the distance light travels in a vacuum in a designated fraction of a second. If the speed of light varies by many orders of magnitude, why would we use the speed of light to precisely define what we mean by a meter?

Your evidence? Fiction. You turn to the story of Jacob's ladder. Even if you think Genesis is a historical record--I don't--you have to admit that the story of Jacob's ladder is fiction. Genesis says it was a dream. By definition, dreams are fiction. So, even if Jacob really dreamed that angels traveled quickly to Earth from Heaven, that is not the same as saying it happened. And even if it happened, and angels went that fast, that does not say that light from all those stars can ignore the laws of nature and travel faster than the known speed of light.

And the book of Exodus? Fiction also.

But even if God, as recorded in Exodus, really did miraculously sense things far away much quicker than light can travel, that does not change the fact that the speed of light that humans observe is always constant.

Further, as I explain at How Old is the Earth?, if light traveled faster in the past, that makes SN-1987A even older. For we know the size of the ring around SN-1987A by measuring how long light took to reach the outside of the ring from the center. It has a radius of 8 light-months. If light was traveling faster in those 8 months, then the ring must be even larger than we have calculated. If it is actually larger than our measurements show, then SN-1987A needs to be even further away to look so small from earth, and your problem gets worse. SN-1987A would be even older.

So no, you cannot evade the problem by claiming light traveled faster. The universe is old.

 

[AV1611VET]

So no, you cannot evade the problem by claiming light traveled faster. The universe is old.

Where ... have ... I ... ever ... claimed ... light ... traveled ... faster ... back ... then?