Fleeing to Mars not of God

[partinobodycular]

It also seems difficult to believe anyone is serious about comparing the wheels of God and power of angels and the travel we will do to the chicken little tin can endeavours of puny man.

Humanity has pulled itself up from the cursed ground that God cast them out upon. I for one am extremely proud of that tin can and the beings that have persevered so heroically to create it.

So yes, I'll gladly compare their endeavors to God's any day of the week... for it's not the achievements themselves that matter, but rather it's the heart and soul that went into reaching them. In that regard God's achievements pale in comparison to man's. If God has a greatest achievement... it's us.

What teachings? Is there something you think I 'teach' that is not Scriptural?

Many, but foremost among them is this sense of your own infallibility. On that front might I suggest to you, three words... Father forgive me.

 

[truthpls]

Humanity has pulled itself up from the cursed ground that God cast them out upon.

No. They only dug deeper

I for one am extremely proud of that tin can and the beings that have persevered so heroically to create it.

That makes one of us

So yes, I'll gladly compare their endeavors to God's any day of the week...

I was afraid of that

for it's not the achievements themselves that matter, but rather it's the heart and soul that went into reaching them.

Fear and wanting to flee like rats from some unscriptural doomsday is not heart or soul

In that regard God's achievements pale in comparison to man's. If God has a greatest achievement... it's us.

I can't agree that man leaves God in the dust, sorry

Many, but foremost among them is this sense of your own infallibility. On that front might I suggest to you, three words... Father forgive me.

So you sense that I have some sort of sense of 'infallibility'. For that imagined crime, then I should ask God (that has less achievements than man has according to your post) to forgive me. I think both God and I are in the business of reality, rather than phony forgiveness for imaginary thought crimes

 

[Hans Blaster]

I have. I think all who come to Him sincerely will

What about those who sincerely leave him?

 

[truthpls]

What about those who sincerely leave him?

I guess accommodations are made for everyone based on their choices

 

[partinobodycular]

So you sense that I have some sort of sense of 'infallibility'.

You can easily prove me wrong. Simply admit that you could be wrong about God's existence. But I'll make it even easier on you, don't deny God's existence, but simply admit that the bible may be nothing more than the work of men, with no divine inspiration in it at all. Or even easier, keep your God, and keep your bible, but simply admit that your whole theological position may be based upon your own misguided interpretation of scripture.

Admit any one of those things and I'll take back my assertion that you seem to have a sense of infallibility.

So go ahead, prove me wrong. Otherwise, just own it. Admit that you think that your interpretation of scripture is infallible.

The problem is, that when you finally have the courage to pull out one brick, you'll find that a whole lot more are gonna fall. @Hans Blaster had that courage, what about you?

 

[truthpls]

You can easily prove me wrong. Simply admit that you could be wrong about God's existence.

That would not prove you wrong. It would prove me wrong

But I'll make it even easier on you, don't deny God's existence, but simply admit that the bible may be nothing more than the work of men, with no divine inspiration in it at all.

I know better. Jesus knew better also. Probably anyone that studied it's prophesies etc would know better.

Or even easier, keep your God, and keep your bible, but simply admit that your whole theological position may be based upon your own misguided interpretation of scripture.

No. Believing in creation is fine and dandy and not anyone's personal theology.

Admit any one of those things and I'll take back my assertion that you seem to have a sense of infallibility.

Admit they are all foolish an wrong and maybe we can talk

So go ahead, prove me wrong. Otherwise, just own it. Admit that you think that your interpretation of scripture is infallible.

What is my interpretation exactly? That is is a biblically sound principle that people should love their fellow human beings and not go Chicken Little about some doomsday and live in fear trying to evacuate?

The problem is, that when you finally have the courage to pull out one brick, you'll find that a whole lot more are gonna fall. @Hans Blaster had that courage, what about you?

Relax. All bricks are very safe on my end. I suppose you might think Judas 'had that courage' as well?

 

[partinobodycular]

Admit they are all foolish an wrong and maybe we can talk

You're right, they may all be wrong. But here's the thing, I'm willing to admit that they may be wrong, you on the other hand will admit no such thing.

Hence, when it comes to your beliefs, you consider yourself to be infallible.

So now do me one small favor. Point me to one other person who's beliefs are as equally infallible as yours.

Perhaps the pope, are his beliefs as infallible as yours?

 

[ViaCrucis]

You do not get to declare something true by tacking it on to a few other statements that are true

Yet you credit millions of years of evolution. That means you are claiming that Jesus referred to a false book, Genesis, and also was wrong about Scripture being from God. Never the twain shall meet

God created man and then made him sleep and took a bone from him from which He made woman. That is true. Your so called true statement is directly opposite and opposed to that. Both cannot be true.

No. The earth is approximately 6000 years old.

We know that the reading of rocks is wrong and based on belief and insultingly has no accommodation for the original creation and ratios.

He researched and made an educated guess. If you were claiming Noah actually lived a few hundred years earlier or later, then that would be one thing. You are totally rejecting the lineage and times people in Scripture lived though. Totally waving them away and replacing it with millions of years.

We actually do know about when Abraham lived. Noah and Abraham were alive at the same time for awhile. We know the generations from Adam to Noah. Your millions of years does not fit in any way, shape or form.

Yet you cannot believe God made a woman from a man's bone, correct? Evolution does not have that possibility in it. If so, I would say you have rejected Scripture.

Glib little slogan that is diametrically opposed to your stated actual beliefs so far.

Great, so is having babies, sleeping, breathing, etc. God created us a certain way and things happen.

Nothing has been going on before God first created it all.

Which Scripture, keep us posted on which verse we do not need to disrespect and reject as stories etc?

Yours are not from Scripture whatsoever and are totally against His word.

Jesus took bread and said "This is My body".

I believe that literally. Do you?

If you don't believe that literally, then you don't get to accuse me of not believing Scripture simply because I don't believe the early chapters of Genesis are meant to be taken literally.

That's all I'm going to say about this here. If you want to continue this conversation, we can do so on a more appropriate board.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[truthpls]

You're right, they may all be wrong. But here's the thing, I'm willing to admit that they may be wrong, you on the other hand will admit no such thing.

So you place no value on knowing the difference between good and evil? OK. I do

Hence, when it comes to your beliefs, you consider yourself to be infallible.

Knowing good from evil, right from wrong is actually a good and sane thing.

So now do me one small favor. Point me to one other person who's beliefs are as equally infallible as yours.

Unless you have a Scripture case you are whistling in the dark here. Your opinion of whether God knows what He is talking about in Scripture is not being discussed here. If you have a problem with the bible being right, maybe this thread is not a good fit

Perhaps the pope, are his beliefs as infallible as yours?

If he quoted Scripture rather than defying it, he might have a chance of being right once in a while. Not like you'd know the dif anyhow

 

[truthpls]

Jesus took bread and said "This is My body".

I believe that literally. Do you?

No. It was representing how He would give His life for ours. It was not canabalism

If you don't believe that literally, then you don't get to accuse me of not believing Scripture simply because I don't believe the early chapters of Genesis are meant to be taken literally.

Jesus and others referred to it as quite real. Maybe you think you have secret or superior knowledge that trumps Jesus and the apostles?

That's all I'm going to say about this here. If you want to continue this conversation, we can do so on a more appropriate board.

-CryptoLutheran

I hear you.

 

[ViaCrucis]

No. It was representing how He would give His life for ours. It was not canabalism

That's about what I expected as a response.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[partinobodycular]

If he quoted Scripture rather than defying it, he might have a chance of being right once in a while. Not like you'd know the dif anyhow

In other words, you consider yourself to be the only dependable source of correct biblical interpretation on the entire planet. In effect putting you on par with God's Word itself.

 

[truthpls]

That's about what I expected as a response.

-CryptoLutheran

Yes, some things are not to be taken out of the clear context they were given, such as someone thinking communion is about eating a man. Genesis however is clear and the context is that He created it all.

 

[truthpls]

In other words, you consider yourself to be the only dependable source of correct biblical interpretation on the entire planet. In effect putting you on par with God's Word itself.

No I am not the source of Scripture, just a reader of it. Some things need interpreting, creation is not among them.

 

[partinobodycular]

No I am not the source of Scripture,

So we agree, you're a simple human being, just like me.

just a reader of it.

Just like me.

Some things need interpreting,

Indeed they do.

creation is not among them.

This will likely come as no surprise to you, but I don't care. This hasn't been a discussion about the correct interpretation of Genesis, it's been a discussion about your willingness to admit that you could be wrong. Without that, any claims that you make about God or the bible are worthless, because they're not the product of introspection, they're the product of hubris, and why should you expect me to put any merit in that?

 

[truthpls]

So we agree, you're a simple human being, just like me.

One who can read His word and agrees it is the way to tell good from bad

This will likely come as no surprise to you, but I don't care. This hasn't been a discussion about the correct interpretation of Genesis, it's been a discussion about your willingness to admit that you could be wrong.

No use pretending. This has been a discussion about the merits and ethics of chicken little earth evacuation attempts. I have answered some things regarding some side questions about Genesis etc as well. In your case I am not sure what you are trying to say if anything. Time you admit either that we are right to look to Scripture, or that you have no way of knowing right from wrong whether you care or not

Without that, any claims that you make about God or the bible are worthless, because they're not the product of introspection, they're the product of hubris, and why should you expect me to put any merit in that?

Actually Scripture and what is says is a product of God, Any claims to the contrary are worthless

 

[Larniavc]

Nope. It seems obvious that was in a little town with few people at the time. Where hundreds of people are mentioned is seeing Him after He rose from the dead.

But that's not what you wrote.

 

[David Lamb]

Not the birth, His risen body. Although some people suggest that there could have been dozens of wise men. Add the shepherds. The crew and relatives at Bethlehem Inn. Etc. Then there was God Almighty in attendance looking on and the angels! I suspect there were trillions! I have heard it suggested as well that in heaven, time travel will be no obstacle, so I may even get over to see it!

Neither the shepherds nor the wise men were present at the birth of Jesus. I agree we don't know how many wise men there were, just that there was more than one.

 

[Apple Sky]

Neither the shepherds nor the wise men were present at the birth of Jesus. I agree we don't know how many wise men there were, just that there was more than one.

 

[David Lamb]

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Exactly! The bible just says "wise men from the east" - no number. Yet not only do some claim that there must have been three (perhaps because of the three gifts), but they even claim that their names were Caspar, Melchior and Balthazar!