Fleeing to Mars not of God

[Scoutship]

Presumably the crew of the Nostromo were atheists, because when they were about to fire John Hurts body into space, Dallas asked "Anybody wanna say anything?" nobody replied, so he hit the 'fire' button.
(I think I'd have at least said something like "He was a good kid")-

 

[truthpls]

I know this was posted in Ethics & Morality, but it will hit a natural "glass ceiling" long before it ever hits an ethical one.
Even if we could somehow terraform Mars, it will never have the gravity, atmospheric pressure & radiation shielding necessary to support terrestrial life.

I'm not questioning the fact of Jesus' return.
I'm asking how you know that Elon Musk, or anybody, plans to go to Mars solely because they want to escape future judgment.

They do not need to know. What we know is that they want to flee the earth. Basically salvation from doom by fleeing. That is not honoring Scripture

If they don't believe in God, it's unlikely they will believe in future judgement.

Whatever they claim to believe in or not doesn't matter. The thread was about the ethics and morality of such an endeavour.

Besides, most non-Christians I come across do not think they are sinners.

There are no other kinds.

They haven't committed "big" sins and try to do good and believe that is enough to get them to heaven. Any idea of a God who judges them and sends them to hell is met with denial.

That's another story. Perhaps if there were a thread on Christians that deny Scripture and what Jesus said I might focus on it

 

[truthpls]

Regarding the Second Coming, it seems to lack faith to limit Christ's role to this planet only.

Of course I do not do that. He is KIng of KIngs, and ruler of all universes, all powers etc. Just because He did not want sinful man stinking up the solar system, and using great treasure better spent elsewhere on doing so, does not mean He and believers will not travel. One example is the 1500 mile high, long and wide golden city comes from space. It then does not land right away on the planet, so all coming and going to an from earth must happen. God has super science. It won't be in little polluting tin can rockets that we travel. Nor will our commutes hurt the earth, on the contrary Jesus (also using us) will be ruling and there will be a clean world with peace and plenty. The idea of man doing it all himself without God is less than laughable.

He was, after all, the one through whom all things were made. The experience of His return will be felt on both sides of the planet at the same time by the Christians that survive the tribulation. It does not matter where you are in the Universe to know when Christ returns. I see this more as a reopening of the door between heaven and Earth and Christ passing through.

Jesus is the door and the only one, the only way. Man's chicken little attempts to flee earth are not the way.

 

[truthpls]

In the context of your not wanting f humans in space, the orbital detritus should be a positive thing as it makes venturing to orbit more difficult and is only a threat to those vile sinners who step off of earth.

No, floating garbage is not a good thing. Thankfully God will clean all that up.

 

[truthpls]

Here you display a complete inability to imagine what someone else might think. Do you claimed not to believe in Odin?

I try to think positive thoughts that are in orbit around the word of God if possible, as a rule. If others propose lost in space, out of the orbit of God ideas, why would I spend too much time meditating on dark fantasy?

 

[truthpls]

No you didn't. Just proclaiming a thing a thing is ridiculously bad logic.

Telling the truth, and then explaining why it is true is actually a good thing. For example in pointing out that the prophesy only fits Jesus and could never fit anyone else. If you claim it could, then show us! Name a few men that were God that got here coming being born to a virgin?

 

[Desk trauma]

No, floating garbage is not a good thing.

How? All it does is make something you don’t want to take place more difficult to accomplish.

 

[truthpls]

How? All it does is make something you don’t want to take place more difficult to accomplish.

You could say that garbage piled in the street the whole distance to a grocery store where an old lady had to walk a mile to shop was a good thing. If you did not want her going to the store. You could say that a lake being filled with toxic waste and on fire was a good thing if you did not want fishing in the lake..etc. Sorry, I do not agree that tons of orbiting junk is a good thing. We can agree to disagree.

"As of April 2025, the European Space Agency's Space Environment statistics reported 40230 artificial objects in orbit above the Earth regularly tracked by Space Surveillance Networks and maintained in their catalogue[8]

However, these are just the objects large enough to be tracked and in an orbit that makes tracking possible. Satellite debris that is in a Molniya orbit, such as the Kosmos Oko series, might be too high above the Northern Hemisphere to be tracked.[9] As of January 2019, more than 128 million pieces of debris smaller than 1 cm (0.4 in), about 900,000 pieces of debris 1–10 cm, and around 34,000 of pieces larger than 10 cm (3.9 in) were estimated to be in orbit around the Earth"

Space debris - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Desk trauma]

Sorry, I do not agree that tons of orbiting junk is a good thing.

For what reason? It does not pollute any of the terrestrial environments you say humans are not to leave, there no wild life in orbit having their habitat disrupted by it, it’s an active threat to something you class as a wmd and it makes going into orbit more difficult. The only things it causes an issue with is things you’re saying should not be taking place why then the kvetching? I would think Kessler syndrome would be a good outcome.

 

[Strong in Him]

What we know is that they want to flee the earth.

How do you know they want to flee it - i.e. escape to Mars to live - and they're not just interested in life on other planets, or being the first to reach another planet?

 

[truthpls]

For what reason?

Because I try to have some respect for His creation. Why would we love 128 million pieces of junk floating around?

It does not pollute any of the terrestrial environments you say humans are not to leave,

I consider all those satellite 'constellations' pollution.

example:

"The light pollution caused by satellites is quickly becoming a major problem for astronomers and astrophotographers. In 2021 over 1700 spacecrafts and satellites were put into orbit. Light pollution caused by SpaceX’s Starlink satellites are the worst offenders because they are low Earth orbit satellites, and they travel in satellite trains. One can only assume the issue will exponentially increase in the next few years as SpaceX alone intends to launch over 40,000 satellites in total. "
https://www.reddit.com/r/Astronomy/comments/uy3e3e
"Now, it seems the night sky is under attack not only from below, but from above, thanks to the rapid proliferation of satellites, mainly megaconstellations, which can contain hundreds or thousands of satellites. And leading the charge is SpaceX."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/spacex-starlinks-astronomy-1.7334803

there no wild life in orbit having their habitat disrupted by it,

Some experts think otherwise

"The sheer number of satellites in the Starlink constellation could have a significant effect on the night sky. The bright lights from the satellites could interfere with the natural cycles of nocturnal animals, as well as potentially blinding birds and other wildlife. Additionally, the satellites could cause noise pollution, which could disrupt the natural behavior of animals."

The Environmental Impact of Starlink’s Satellite Constellation

space4peace.org

it’s an active threat to something you class as a wmd and it makes going into orbit more difficult.

They are already used in the military and wars depend on them. Unless you think China, Russia, the USA and other nations are all Polyanna perfect truthful and trustworthy there is also danger of weapons being in space. No, we can't prove it, but we could ask have any of these nations lied before? (a better question might be was there anything said by them that was not a lie?)

The only things it causes an issue with is things you’re saying should not be taking place why then the kvetching? I would think Kessler syndrome would be a good outcome.

You were just shown wrong. So not only is the chicken little syndrome neglectful of the needs of mankind, and a colossal anti Scriptural waste of resources, I guess we can add a sky pollution as well.

 

[truthpls]

How do you know they want to flee it - i.e. escape to Mars to live - and they're not just interested in life on other planets, or being the first to reach another planet?

Because the theme of the players wishing to flee involves some sort of doomsday on earth. I posted some quotes earlier in the thread. Also, one of them talked about a settlement of a million people on Mars! Hardly just some benign little schoolboy wish to be the first to go there.

 

[Desk trauma]

Because the theme of the players wishing to flee involves some sort of doomsday on earth.

The most common scenario that is brought up is a planet killer asteroid, Christian eschatology isn’t on the list regardless of your insistence.

 

[truthpls]

The most common scenario that is brought up is a planet killer asteroid,

Same sort of thing. Fear and lack of trust that God is in control. Just another doomsday scenario.

Christian eschatology isn’t on the list regardless of your insistence.

I never said Scripture (in the way of obeying it rather than disobeying it as fast and as much as possible) was on the list of the players involved in the Chicken Little games.

 

[Desk trauma]

Because I try to have some respect for His creation. Why would we love 128 million pieces of junk floating around?

I consider all those satellite 'constellations' pollution.

And the goal post takes flight.

They are already used in the military and wars depend on them.

This would make space junk a positive as satellites are liable to be damaged or disabled by it.

You were just shown wrong. So not only is the chicken little syndrome neglectful of the needs of mankind, and a colossal anti Scriptural waste of resources, I guess we can add a sky pollution as well.

Only if you lump in unrelated activities in space. Zero space junk or satellites have been placed into orbit in pursuit of creating a secondary off world human population as no mission has been undertaken to establish one.

 

[Desk trauma]

Same sort of thing. Fear and lack of trust that God is in control. Just another doomsday scenario.

It’s not a matter of trusting or not trusting your deity, it’s not a part of the calculations at all.

I never said Scripture (in the way of obeying it rather than disobeying it as fast and as much as possible) was on the list of the players involved in the Chicken Little games.

You have posted more than once that any dooms day scenario is really a reference to your deity destroying the current earth.

 

[truthpls]

And the goal post takes flight.

No, all part of the problem. Fruits of the chicken little tree.

This would make space junk a positive as satellites are liable to be damaged or disabled by it.

If your goal was to damage things maybe. How about stop putting the damaging stuff up there to begin with?

Only if you lump in unrelated activities in space.

Are there any? I suspect that the spiritual inspiration for the push to get man in space is demonic in nature. If so, that would mean that the various aspects of the race to space had a commonality.

Zero space junk or satellites have been placed into orbit in pursuit of creating a secondary off world human population as no mission has been undertaken to establish one.

The quest to eventually get off world involved a lot of things over time. Including loss of lives. Failed launches. debris etc etc

 

[Desk trauma]

No, all part of the problem. Fruits of the chicken little tree.

You were quoting things using the accepted definition of space junk then applied your own that includes all artificial satellites. Hence the goal post shifting to fit your needs.

If your goal was to damage things maybe. How about stop putting the damaging stuff up there to begin with?

The risk is from currently existing space junk to currently existing satellites. As it seems you would like the satellites gone you should be cheering on the space junk and hoping for Kessler syndrome.

Are there any?

Yes.

The quest to eventually get off world involved a lot of things over time. Including loss of lives. Failed launches. debris etc etc

More people were killed last month in construction site accidents, in the US alone, than have died from space related endeavors since there was such a things. Should we stop the construction industry too?

 

[truthpls]

You were quoting things using the accepted definition of space junk then applied your own that includes all artificial satellites. Hence the goal post shifting to fit your needs.

Looking at the history of Nasa, it seems that it may be melding into the Chicken Little vision-quest.

Next Nasa leader says he would prioritize US missions to Mars if confirmed

Billionaire Jared Isaacman has funded his own journeys into space and insists he would not abandon moon missions

www.theguardian.com

So one could view all of man's history in space as part of it.

The risk is from currently existing space junk to currently existing satellites.

That is one aspect of space junk danger. It is a bit like having a plethora of flies buzzing around your house. Is that a good thing?

As it seems you would like the satellites gone you should be cheering on the space junk and hoping for Kessler syndrome.

I am realistic. No proper clean up of earth (including possibly some nuclear war contamination by then) will take place until Jesus returns to make things right.

Yes.

More people were killed last month in construction site accidents, in the US alone, than have died from space related endeavors since there was such a things. Should we stop the construction industry too?

They say a million died in the Ukraine war as well. Does that justify more deaths elsewhere?

 

[Larniavc]

I try to think positive thoughts that are in orbit around the word of God if possible, as a rule. If others propose lost in space, out of the orbit of God ideas, why would I spend too much time meditating on dark fantasy?

None of that has any thing to do with what I asked. Well done.