Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Phil G]

I reckon the masses are in for one big shock when they discover the truth.

No really, your conspiracy theory addiction is hindering you from understanding. I don’t know why you’ve gone down this path but all I can do is appeal to you to change course. You are joining dots which are not there. It’s not a gift, it’s deception.

I’ve given you examples of how flat earth does not work. You ignore them. You remain inside your comfort zone. For some reason you have latched on to flat earth as an anchor for your faith & life. It’s as if everything hinges on it beong absolutely the truth. You don’t seem to be able to let it go. And don’t tell me that God says the earth is flat, because that makes God a liar. The evidence is that certain.

Aside from the back & forth on CF, it’s troubling to me how people reject simple observations in favour of a theory which doesn’t fit reality.

Saying that the masses are in for one big shock is like telling me that I’m in for a big shock when I discover that I’m actually a tree. That’s how ludicrous it sounds to say what you are saying. That’s why people laugh at the idea of a flat earth. It goes against the sheer volume of evidence for a globe earth. It’s overwhelming.

 

[Strong in Him]

I reckon the masses are in for one big shock when they discover the truth.

The minority will be when they discover it.

You, yourself, have recently said that a flat earth is not important; only being right with the Lord is.
Given that - and the fact that the Bible does not teach it, you cannot prove it and it has nothing to do with salvation - why keep writing about it?

 

[Apple Sky]

why keep writing about it?

I am going to curb it from now on, but I will follow up on @d taylor when he posts.

 

[Phil G]

I am going to curb it from now on, but I will follow up on @d taylor when he posts.

Please don’t remain in your comfort zone. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming for a globe earth. It is fact.

Claiming God created a flat earth is hurting the Gospel. People are being turned off Christ because of it.

 

[Apple Sky]

Please don’t remain in your comfort zone.

I won't.

Claiming God created a flat earth is hurting the Gospel. People are being turned off Christ because of it.

Sorry to hear this, this was never my intention.

 

[Phil G]

I won't.



Sorry to hear this, this was never my intention.

Glad to hear that. God bless

 

[Apple Sky]

Glad to hear that. God bless

You too

 

[d taylor]

Meaning, Bible translators, all of them, are complicit in a conspiracy to cover up the alleged “true” translation. They changed the words to suit a globe earth, according to you. A disgraceful allegation.

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I really labeled them dishonest as you claimed, in that post, funny how that label of being dishonest is not found in my post.

Again here are your words in case you do not remember them.
Bible translators were dishonest as far as Job 26.7 is concerned. You have asserted that it was done deliberately to align with a globe earth view.

 

[Phil G]

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I really labeled them dishonest as you claimed, in that post, funny how that label of being dishonest is not found in my post.

Again here are your words in case you do not remember them.
Bible translators were dishonest as far as Job 26.7 is concerned. You have asserted that it was done deliberately to align with a globe earth view.

Funny how you won’t accept that you asserted translators mis translated the verse because man wanted the Bible to align with a globe earth. That reeks of an allegation of dishonesty, even if you didn’t use that particular word. It insinuates that man wanted & the translators complied. A rose by any other name etc

 

[d taylor]

Funny how you won’t accept that you asserted translators mis translated the verse because man wanted the Bible to align with a globe earth. That reeks of an allegation of dishonesty, even if you didn’t use that particular word. A rose by any other name etc

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Seems like you have a hard time understanding that a person can believe something and it affect the way they preformed a task, without the person actually being purposely dishonest.

 

[Phil G]

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Seems like you have a hard time understanding that a person can believe something and it affect the way they preformed a task, without the person actually being purposely dishonest

No, because you claimed there was no support in the Bible for their translation. In other words they had to alter the meaning to one which wasn’t warranted by the text. That would be dishonest.

You also said in a later post that to translate the word belimah as “nothing” seemed very far fetched, again indicating that the translators were effectively ‘spinning’ the meaning (pun intended) to align with a globe in space. Again an indication of being dishonest.

No Bible version or Hebrew dictionary I can find agrees with your claim of mis translation. And you have not provided any recognised reliable ancient Hebrew scholarly source to verify it either. Which means your claim is unsubstantiated regardless.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Round and round

Cool site:

Which Planets Can You See Tonight?

Choose tonight or another date and see which planets are shining in the sky above you or anywhere else.

www.timeanddate.com

 

[Apple Sky]

@d taylor It seems as though Job 26:7 is the only verse Globers have to support their theory that the earth is floating in outer space, yes just one verse out of the entire Bible

 

[prodromos]

@d taylor It seems as though Job 26:7 is the only verse Globers have to support their theory that the earth is floating in outer space, yes just one verse out of the entire Bible

We don't have a theory. The globe earth is a clearly observed fact.
You continue to force the Scriptures into a role of science textbook, when that is one thing it was never intended to be.

 

[Strong in Him]

@d taylor It seems as though Job 26:7 is the only verse Globers have to support their theory that the earth is floating in outer space, yes just one verse out of the entire Bible

Whereas you have none to support a flat earth.
This is because;
a) the Bible does not teach it,
b) the Bible is not a science textbook
c) it has nothing at all to do with salvation, knowing God, God's love or how we live as his children and be light for the world.
d) Bible authors had no interest in what shape God created the planet to be.
All that, plus the fact that a globe earth can be seen, measured, tested and observed and has been found to be correct.

 

[Phil G]

@d taylor It seems as though Job 26:7 is the only verse Globers have to support their theory that the earth is floating in outer space, yes just one verse out of the entire Bible

It's not about using the Bible to support one or the other. That's not what the Bible is for. Rotating globe earth is more than well established by observation. For example equatorial telescope mounts are very specifically designed to operate according to a rotating globe earth cosmology. Their design would not be fit for purpose if the earth is flat. This is a well known fact (not theory) to amateur astronomers and is a slam dunk against a flat earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

@Phil G @Strong in Him @prodromos From Genesis to Revelation there is mention of the earth, in fact the Bible mentions the earth 902 times. I know the Bible isn't a science book but it is where we learn the truth when it comes to the earth.

 

[Strong in Him]

@Phil G @Strong in Him @prodromos From Genesis to Revelation there is mention of the earth, in fact the Bible mentions the earth 902 times. I know the Bible isn't a science book but it is where we learn the truth when it comes to the earth.

"Mentions" the earth.
Well of course it does; God created this world we live in and planet we live on.

But we do not "learn the truth about the earth" from the Bible. It doesn't tell us what shape it is or HOW God made it, and all things. It doesn't teach us about the classification of animals, birds, insects and so on. Or describe their nervous, or reproductive, systems. It doesn't talk about the PH of soil, or the best conditions for growing various plants. It doesn't tell us how, and why, some trees lose their leaves in winter and some don't. The Bible doesn't teach us about volcanos and why they erupt, or about how mountains are formed, or the different types of rock - porous etc. It doesn't teach us about marine life; what makes seaweed, where did sand come from, why is the tide sometimes in, when you go to the beach, and sometimes out.
It doesn't teach us why the earth is the distance away from the sun that it is; how did it get to be there? What would happen if it had been further away, will it ever get blown off course? etc. etc.

The Bible doesn't teach any of these things - because that is not its purpose; it is not a science textbook.
The truth about the earth is that GOD created it; end of. Who is this God who created the earth, us and all things? THAT'S what the Bible tells us. He is our Maker, he is holy, he is love, he is majestic, all-knowing, all-powerful etc, and he wants us to know that he is our Father and we can be his children.

"Mentioning the earth" does not teach us about it - any more than mentioning that "Saul went into a cave to relieve himself" teaches us about hygiene or toilet training.

 

[Strong in Him]

If the Bible taught that the earth was flat and this was a fact, it could, and would, be confirmed by scientists, by observation, tests, measurement, scientific data and so on.
Christians would then be able to say, "look the Bible teaches that the earth is flat and scientists have confirmed it. So this is one way in which we know we can trust in the Bible." Non-Christians might then say, "well the Bible says that the earth is flat, scientists have confirmed this and I can look through a telescope and see certain things, or not, for myself. This is one area in which I can trust the Bible; maybe I'd better read it and find what else it says."

But this isn't the case.
There are non-Christians who believe that the earth is flat and many who accept that the earth is a globe; neither have any intention of reading the Bible. The shape of the earth is not important, and certainly not a deal breaker. Far more important is the question of suffering; "why did God let my mum/dad/sibling/baby die?" "Why do innocent people have terminal illnesses while some criminals live to a ripe old age - and get away with their crimes?" "Can we trust a book which was written hundreds of years ago". These are the questions that people are asking. And if you think that the shape of the earth is the current topic of concern, then you, literally, need to get out more. Talk to non-Christians and find out their fears, their questions and what is preventing them from meeting God.
I guarantee it won't be the shape of the earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Well of course it does; God created this world we live in and planet we live on.

Why mention planet, when it is the earth we live on & it is the earth that God created.

But we do not "learn the truth about the earth" from the Bible. It doesn't tell us what shape it is

I suggest you read Isaiah 40:22 again.