Flat Earthers: What They Believe and Why

[Apple Sky]

But wasn't saying that the Van Allen belts are a solid barrier. I came across this verbal description of his video:

"This video released by NASA about the upcoming Orion space exploration craft shows a NASA scientist admitting that they still haven't worked out how to properly shield the spacecraft from the radiation emitted by the Van Allen Belts."

So he's not saying that the belts are a solid barrier preventing rockets from going through them, but that the technology with the spacecraft, and astronauts in manned space flights, need to be protected from the radiation of the belts.

My apologies I misunderstood what you said.

 

[Strong in Him]

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But just like globe earth believers who put their beliefs in man above what The Bible states about God's creation.

The Bible does not state anything about God's creation - at least, not the shape of it.
If Genesis 1 said "in the beginning I (God) created the heavens and a flat earth", there would be no argument. Furthermore, scientists would be able to prove that the earth was flat - they would have to confirm the fact of God creating a flat earth and would agree with the Bible.

But the Bible does not say that. So to claim that folk who believe it have the devil as their father, is just nonsense.

 

[Strong in Him]

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But it is still about belief. Jesus told Peter what was going to happen, but Peter did not believe what Jesus said.

It's not the same at all.
Look at the context of that verse: Peter had just declared that Jesus was the Messiah. Every Jew knew that the Messiah would not die. He couldn't; the Messiah was the One, sent by God, who was going to lead Israel into battle and defeat their enemies.
Jesus said to Peter, "this truth was revealed to you by God" (in other words, it's true) - and a short time later said that he, their Messiah, was going to die. Of course Peter didn't understand, or believe, it; it was going against what he had been taught was true.

On the other hand, the Bible does not state, or teach, that the earth is flat. So no globe earth Christian is going against God or disbelieving the Bible.
And we certainly do not have Satan as our father. We are children of God, just as you are.

 

[d taylor]

The Bible does not state anything about God's creation - at least, not the shape of it.
If Genesis 1 said "in the beginning I (God) created the heavens and a flat earth", there would be no argument. Furthermore, scientists would be able to prove that the earth was flat - they would have to confirm the fact of God creating a flat earth and would agree with the Bible.

But the Bible does not say that. So to claim that folk who believe it have the devil as their father, is just nonsense.

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Name something science states about God's creation that The Bible agrees with.

 

[d taylor]

It's not the same at all.
Look at the context of that verse: Peter had just declared that Jesus was the Messiah. Every Jew knew that the Messiah would not die. He couldn't; the Messiah was the One, sent by God, who was going to lead Israel into battle and defeat their enemies.
Jesus said to Peter, "this truth was revealed to you by God" (in other words, it's true) - and a short time later said that he, their Messiah, was going to die. Of course Peter didn't understand, or believe, it; it was going against what he had been taught was true.

On the other hand, the Bible does not state, or teach, that the earth is flat. So no globe earth Christian is going against God or disbelieving the Bible.
And we certainly do not have Satan as our father. We are children of God, just as you are.

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Sure it is belief is belief about God's word. Take Numbers 13 and the bad report (lies) the spies gave about the land God promised The Hebrews.

Globe earth believers have an unbelief about God's creation because of science. And not only do they have an unbelief, but they support the lies science makes about God's creation.

 

[Strong in Him]

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Sure it is belief is belief about God's word.

No, it's not. The Bible does NOT say "then I, the Lord, created a flat earth", or "I put man in the garden on my flat earth to tend it", or let all the flat earth praise the Lord."
When will you guys get it into your heads that a) we are all Christians here - and that includes globe earthers; b) that we have no intention of changing, disputing or disbelieving God's word; and c) that flat earth is not a Scriptural teaching, is not Christian doctrine and saves no one.

Take Numbers 13 and the bad report (lies) the spies gave about the land God promised The Hebrews.​

What about it?
When did God ever say, "I created the earth flat" and Christians say, "no, we know better and you didn't"? Or, "no, we'll never believe what YOU tell us about the shape of your earth"?

Globe earth believers have an unbelief about God's creation because of science.

Science = knowledge. It's what men and women have seen, learnt, tried out, investigated, tested and found to be true. Some of those scientists, or those with a passion for learning and experimentation, are Christians.

Haven't you ever had someone say to you, "try it and see"? Try putting paper in water, try burning, or freezing, certain substances and see what happens?
Have you never said it yourself; "let's see what happens if I leave sugar out of this recipe", "I wonder what will happen if I mix red and green together"? All of that is the basis of experimentation. When I asked how deep the earth is, Apple Sky said that the deepest hole ever dug was over 40,000 feet deep. How did she know that? Presumably by looking it up. How did anyone know that they could dig 40,000 feet into the earth? Because at some time, someone said, "I wonder how deep I can dig into the earth?" And they had a go; experimented and then wrote up their results.

If flat earth was true then the scientists - who experiment and test to find the truth - would be able to confirm it.
If God wanted all people to know that he created the earth to be flat then a) he would have said so, clearly, in his word so that ALL Christians would believe and accept it and b) he would have had all scientists everywhere prove it - so that everyone else in the world would say "oh, if the Bible is correct about that, what else is it correct about?"
Neither of those things have happened.

And not only do they have an unbelief, but they support the lies science makes about God's creation.​

Nonsense.
Some scientists are, or were, committed Christians.

 

[Strong in Him]

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Name something science states about God's creation that The Bible agrees with.

It is not the purpose of the Bible to teach us science.
If Moses had been the most brilliant scientist on earth a) he wouldn't have taught science because that was not his job or his calling, b) he would still have been limited by what he knew at that time.

Show me where the Bible says that we can use computers, the internet, smartphones, cars or planes. Where does the Bible teach that we can accept a heart/lungs/liver/kidney transplant? Where does the Bible say how God created the human brain? What about reproduction? "Adam lay with Eve and she became pregnant" - how? What was the process?
How do we know all those things? Scientists have discovered and taught us.

Though I heard that scientists have confirmed that God created things in the same order that is described in Genesis. Scientists have confirmed that there was a flood. I don't know whether the Turin Shroud was real or a fake - but it is/was scientists who tested and found out.

 

[Apple Sky]

Globe earth believers have an unbelief about God's creation because of science. And not only do they have an unbelief, but they support the lies science makes about God's creation.

AMEN to this

 

[d taylor]

It is not the purpose of the Bible to teach us science.
If Moses had been the most brilliant scientist on earth a) he wouldn't have taught science because that was not his job or his calling, b) he would still have been limited by what he knew at that time.

Show me where the Bible says that we can use computers, the internet, smartphones, cars or planes. Where does the Bible teach that we can accept a heart/lungs/liver/kidney transplant? Where does the Bible say how God created the human brain? What about reproduction? "Adam lay with Eve and she became pregnant" - how? What was the process?
How do we know all those things? Scientists have discovered and taught us.

Though I heard that scientists have confirmed that God created things in the same order that is described in Genesis. Scientists have confirmed that there was a flood. I don't know whether the Turin Shroud was real or a fake - but it is/was scientists who tested and found out.

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Why are you renaming God;s creation science. the Bible does teach us about God's creation. Not only does The Bible teach us about God's creation, The Bible teaches us what God wants us to know about His creation.

 

[d taylor]

No, it's not. The Bible does NOT say "then I, the Lord, created a flat earth", or "I put man in the garden on my flat earth to tend it", or let all the flat earth praise the Lord."
When will you guys get it into your heads that a) we are all Christians here - and that includes globe earthers; b) that we have no intention of changing, disputing or disbelieving God's word; and c) that flat earth is not a Scriptural teaching, is not Christian doctrine and saves no one.

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Why does John use "breadth" Strong's Concordance 4114. platos NASB Translation breadth (1), broad plain (1), width (2).

When speaking of the earth in Revelation 20:9

 

[Apple Sky]

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Why does John use "breadth" Strong's Concordance 4114. platos NASB Translation breadth (1), broad plain (1), width (2).

When speaking of the earth in Revelation 20:9

Or .............

King James Bible
Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. Job 38:18

 

[Strong in Him]

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Why are you renaming God;s creation science. the Bible does teach us about God's creation.

It says that God created and that the earth is his; it doesn't say HOW he created or what shape he made it.
And I'm not "renaming" anything.

Not only does The Bible teach us about God's creation, The Bible teaches us what God wants us to know about His creation.

Which isn't the shape of the earth.

God has given humans a brain and the ability to study, discover and ask questions. He is happy for scientists to learn more about his amazing world - it was never the purpose of the Bible to
tell us.

 

[Strong in Him]

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Why does John use "breadth" Strong's Concordance 4114. platos NASB Translation breadth (1), broad plain (1), width (2).

Why not?
The earth is large enough for people to live on, build houses, roads and so on; of course it has a width.
It is still a sphere.

 

[David Lamb]

My apologies I misunderstood what you said.

Thank you for that.

 

[d taylor]

Or .............

King James Bible
Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. Job 38:18

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The one piece of earth that God originally created in Genesis 1 was at some point broken up and divided over the seas for in his days the earth was divided;

Which i believe was done because satan became in possession of the kingdoms of the earth. so God divided up the earth. But during the 7 year tribulation the earth will be destroyed.

So when Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation and locks away satan. Jesus will restore the earth again to being a one piece of land, that Jesus will rule and the people of the earth during His millennium rule.

That is why John writes they will come up on the breadth of the earth. When he writes about the people, satan (when released from his prison). Will lead to attack God, the war of Gog and Magog (Ezekiel 38) as the earth will be one piece of land again, that the people will come up on.

 

[David Lamb]

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The one piece of earth that God originally created in Genesis 1 was at some point broken up and divided over the seas for in his days the earth was divided;

Which i believe was done because satan became in possession of the kingdoms of the earth. so God divided up the earth. But during the 7 year tribulation the earth will be destroyed.

So when Jesus returns at the end of the tribulation and locks away satan. Jesus will restore the earth again to being a one piece of land, that Jesus will rule and the people of the earth during His millennium rule.

That is why John writes they will come up on the breadth of the earth. When he writes about the people, satan (when released from his prison). Will lead to attack God, the war of Gog and Magog (Ezekiel 38) as the earth will be one piece of land again, that the people will come up on.

I'm just wondering where in the bible are we told that when Jesus comes again, he will join all the land together in one?

 

[d taylor]

I'm just wondering where in the bible are we told that when Jesus comes again, he will join all the land together in one?

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I never said there is a verse saying this, I plainly wrote i believe.

Why do i believe this i wrote in my post you quoted

 

[Apple Sky]

Which i believe was done because satan became in possession of the kingdoms of the earth.

Which I believe he still is up until the tribulation & for a small time after.

 

[David Lamb]

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I never said there is a verse saying this, I plainly wrote i believe.

Why do i believe this i wrote in my post you quoted

Thanks, and sorry for misunderstanding!

 

[Apple Sky]

Why do I believe the the earth is flat.

1 Because God tells me so
2. There is no curvature
3. There is no outer space
4. There is no movement of the earth
5. And there are extra - terrestrial lands beyond the ice walls of Antarctica.