Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

[katerinah1947]

For me, it matters little. I can live my life flat or globe, with no bearing on anything.

However, if there is a great hoax here, all I can say is.....there goes the big bang and evolution. There goes all of NASA's trillions of dollars of spending. This would be the biggest scam of mankind.

I just want truth. There are a lot of questions that should be answered.Many can easily be answered. Many are very suspicious.

Just point a high powered telescope at the moon and show us what we left there. Done.

Show us satellite video as it passes over the south pole without composite images.Done.

Stop with the fish eye lenses camera shots that distort real imagery. Done.

Come on people, there is an easy fix here but all we get is.."believe us", "that's so old school",
"you're crazy", "put on your tinfoil hat"...

You cannot prove a globe earth without NASA data and if they are lying who do we go to?

Hi,

Dear Jack,

As impassioned as your plea is,

1. Those two videos, one of the Orion space craft launch, and the one of Mars atmospheric probe, are a help, if you have someone around you, who can take out the misconceptions that creep in from not working in the Space Craft or Science Industry. You are lacking fellowship with a person like me, and we do like to share, and we do see intellegence which is high in all groups of people.

2. All of us, would love for the flat earhter's ideas about, Big Bang, gravity and NASA, to be correct. If you were right and could prove it, it would be significant.

3. As far as for the suspicious answers, many here know how to find the answers to those suspicious answers, primarily through work, or a chosen profession. It appears, you would like to be able to do that also, on your own.

4. The globe has been proven to be a globe without NASA, I am actually sorry to say to you.

morse86, has been shown how he can find out for himself, he has repeatedly refused. I hope you do not do that also, but it is your priveledge, as long as you are not Christian. If you are Christian, you can still refuse if you don't know that in the Bible it says that you are to find out what science says, and you are to listen to them. Again, if you do not know that, I would imagine that is okay with God, as nowhere does it say, we all have to know everything about God, rather than just enough, to please Him.

Since you sounded sincere, you have gotten more from me. I and others can help, who actually know, about the earth being a globe. Other, than you being on those two launches, both of them showed a globe. That no so nice video on Youtube, if you can ignore all the insults they put in there, has much on how you can find out if the earth is a globe. Ask. Ask scientists, as 85% or so, not all, are also teachers of what they know, and they can teach kids in grade school.

Also since you are a Protestant, pray to God in your private room like Jesus said to do, and ask Him to help you by what ever method He chooses to give you the answer.

Remember this though, test. Testing is Biblical. Yet, interestingly enough to Christians and non Christians alike, testing is Scientific. God requires us to test all things. The minute you start testing your own ideas, is the minute that you both, get closer to God, and start being a scientist. Both of them test what they personally know, and what is said by others.

LOVE,

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Come on people, there is an easy fix here but all we get is.."believe us", "that's so old school",
"you're crazy", "put on your tinfoil hat"...

I think a large factor is that we have known the earth is a globe for several centuries and people who insist the world is flat are clearly deluded.

You cannot prove a globe earth without NASA data and if they are lying who do we go to?

NASA is not the only space program in the world you know.

 

[ecco]

However, if there is a great hoax here, all I can say is.....there goes the big bang and evolution.

In other words, it would lend itself to Creationism.

You cannot prove a globe earth without NASA data and if they are lying who do we go to?

Can you see the night sky? Occasionally, if you look at the right time, you will see a bright light in the sky. Sort of like a big star. You will notice it is moving rather quickly. It is the International Space Station that is in orbit. Here you can find a schedule of the times it will be visible to you.
http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/#.ViO-q36rSUk

After you see it. Come back to this thread and explain what you believe it is that you have seen with your own eyes.

In the meantime explain how GPS works if there are not satellites orbiting a spheroid earth.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Double Post somehow. I just erased what is already here, so you don't have to read it twice.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi to all you flat earther's out there,

I am going to take a guess. The guess is that you do not know how to teach nor learn things like math, but maybe know how to do both.

I can teach anyone to fly an airplane, to build a house, to do math, and really to do anything that I actually know how to do.

First though, before being able to teach, I had to learn how to do math, fly, and build houses. Amazingly, I could do none of those things by reading. I could not. Nor can one learn to dance by reading.

Yet, in two of those things, not math, I did in fact try to lower my costs and learning time, by reading. For flying that was especially true, but for building houses that is also true. I spent years and have many books, and never once learned anything about how to fly, or how to build. I had to learn both of those by doing.

Math is like that. You learn by doing. Physics is like that, you learn by doing. Now, the last person that I had to teach math to, all I did was to have her work the problems in the book, at the back of the chapters. She did not have a book that she could understand. So, I picked the simplest book on the the type of math she was supposed to learn. I had her not think, but do. Soon, she became a math phenom even to Master's degree engineering students.

Physics though, is also learned by doing, like dance and building houses and flying. It is in the experiments and doing the problems in the back of the individual chapters that give you knowledge. There is almost no other way. You must learn by doing.

In the provided video for instance is the shadow item mentioned, between two competing theories. So they took a disk and a light source, and they took a ball and a light source, and did the work, to see what they got as results for the moon, when they passed both objects by the light source and looked at the reflected light. They did the work. They tested, which is Biblical also, as well as Scientific.

And now for your pleasure hopefully. The highest form of finding things out in science, that I ever got from a person who is a phenom, as he stunned us all, and continuosly, ( I stunned others then also, but not like him.), one day, I was presented with the opportunity to engage him alone next to a piece of equipment. "Ariel. You write equations that work. How do you do it?"

He says to me: "I take a guess and try and prove it wrong."

At some point in this rather brief conversation, I said to him: "What do you do if you can prove your guess wrong?"

He said: "You take another guess"

Because he confused me then with those words, I asked him again in this fashion: "What?"

He responded with "You take a guess and try and prove it wrong.", but he also walked off and left me alone to handle what to me then was an incomprehensible response.

Years later, I learned that is really all most of us do. We learn, we observe, we take a guess, and we try to prove our own guess wrong.

It is the guesses that we can't prove wrong, that sometimes become what is called Science.

LOVE,

 

[lasthero]

I think a large factor is that we have known the earth is a globe for several centuries and people who insist the world is flat are clearly deluded.



NASA is not the only space program in the world you know.

Seriously, people.

America is not the only country in the world.

 

[lasthero]

However, if there is a great hoax here, all I can say is.....there goes the big bang and evolution. There goes all of NASA's trillions of dollars of spending. This would be the biggest scam of mankind.

Minor note, but NASA isn't spending trillions of dollars. They take up a very small percentage of the annual budget.

I just want truth. There are a lot of questions that should be answered.Many can easily be answered. Many are very suspicious.

'Many' is being generous. Most people have no problem accepting the world is round.

Just point a high powered telescope at the moon and show us what we left there. Done.

Been done.

http://gizmodo.com/5837658/new-detailed-images-show-lunar-landing-sites-at-higher-resolution/

Happy now?

[/qUOTE]

You cannot prove a globe earth without NASA data

Baloney. People figured out the world was round thousands of years ago, using simple math.

 

[JacksBratt]

Seriously, people.

America is not the only country in the world.

Seriously, NASA was started by German science. Everything, space related, is governed by NASA

 

[JacksBratt]

Happy now?

No.....Hey , I didn't say I was a flat earther, I'm saying that, if any time in history has had the ability to show the globe, it is now.

This guy tells my point (from your link)

As much as I believe that there was a literal moon landing, I don't think using the same entity to prove itself is the best way to prove anything.


You don't ask a kid if he stole from the cookie jar, you ask the sibling who saw it happen.


In this case, you don't ask NASA if NASA landed on the moon and accept photographic evidence from NASA to "prove" it. You get some third party that is totally unaffiliated with NASA to take these pictures.

 

[JacksBratt]

Can you see the night sky? Occasionally, if you look at the right time, you will see a bright light in the sky. Sort of like a big star. You will notice it is moving rather quickly. It is the International Space Station that is in orbit. Here you can find a schedule of the times it will be visible to you.
http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sightings/#.ViO-q36rSUk

I'm very well aware of objects orbiting the earth, prove that they have people inside, without using NASA pics and vids.

Also, can you look at the night sky? If we are spinning, then orbiting the sun which is moving through our galaxy...........
why do all, every single one of the constellations not change on millimeter? They do not budge, move oscillate, migrate, slide, shift or deform. Yet they are light years from each other and in different planes in relation to the earth. But, no change after centuries.

 

[lasthero]

No.....Hey , I didn't say I was a flat earther, I'm saying that, if any time in history has had the ability to show the globe, it is now.

This guy tells my point (from your link)

As much as I believe that there was a literal moon landing, I don't think using the same entity to prove itself is the best way to prove anything.


You don't ask a kid if he stole from the cookie jar, you ask the sibling who saw it happen.


In this case, you don't ask NASA if NASA landed on the moon and accept photographic evidence from NASA to "prove" it. You get some third party that is totally unaffiliated with NASA to take these pictures.

So if I'm accused of a crime, I'm not allowed to provide evidence that exonerates me? It has to come from someone else, or it's not viable?

What kind of logic is that?

 

[JacksBratt]

So if I'm accused of a crime, I'm not allowed to provide evidence that exonerates me? It has to come from someone else, or it's not viable?

What kind of logic is that?

No, if I ask Joe if he broke my window and he says "no I was across town" we need someone else to prove he was across town...... Not just Joe saying it and backing up his own story with his own "proof".

 

[lasthero]

No, if I ask Joe if he broke my window and he says "no I was across town" we need someone else to prove he was across town...... Not just Joe saying it and backing up his own story with his own "proof".

But they're not just saying the stuff is up there and asking you to take their word. They have pictures. You can SEE it. It's like Joe giving you a picture of him being at the cafe at the time of day, with a receit clearly showing he was eating there at the time the window was broken.

But okay.

http://phys.org/news/2009-09-indian-satellite-moon-scientist.html

How about now?

 

[lasthero]

Seriously, NASA was started by German science. Everything, space related, is governed by NASA

How does NASA being started by German scientists show that NASA controls EVERYTHING space related?

 

[lasthero]

I'm very well aware of objects orbiting the earth, prove that they have people inside, without using NASA pics and vids.

Also, can you look at the night sky? If we are spinning, then orbiting the sun which is moving through our galaxy...........
why do all, every single one of the constellations not change on millimeter? They do not budge, move oscillate, migrate, slide, shift or deform. Yet they are light years from each other and in different planes in relation to the earth. But, no change after centuries.

 

[JacksBratt]

This person has a good attitude.

http://disinfo.com/2015/07/flat-earth-vs-globe-earth-debate/

 

[katerinah1947]

This person has a good attitude.

http://disinfo.com/2015/07/flat-earth-vs-globe-earth-debate/

Hi Jack,

Imagine a time in your life when you can't be wrong, or else terrible things happen to people you work for or people you know.

Once upon a time, that was my life for years. I was not allowed to be wrong, so I had to do whatever was necessary to not be wrong, even if my response was: I don't know.

The reason I have told you this, is I am not and was not allowed by my postion to not know if the earth was flat or not. I was not allowed to not engage in every arena scientifically that I was capable of handling.

So, not everyone can walk away not caring what the answers are on flat earth versus non flat earth and I wanted you to know that.

Next:
You mentioned the good attitude of the person in that article. This next point, made by a person in one article or another seems right also:


Truth will never be found where care and compassion are lacking.

“The age old saying ‘ignorance is bliss’ withholds a mighty truth. This is not to say that a continued state of ignorance is blissful, it is rather to say that when one recognizes that one is ignorant of a subject it immediately puts them in the position to explore, with a childlike wonder, all the gems waiting to be found within the investigation.” — Claudia Pavonis

It is not for me, that I need you or want you to believe in anything. I would just hope that you would want to know. To know what is true and what is not true, for yourself, first. I see people here offering ways to check on the accuracy and veracity of flat earth versus a non flat earth concept, but I see all those efforts being totally dismissed by morse86, but I am hoping that is not your position also.

One experiment/test is worth a thousand expert opinions is said. Flat earther's and you say you are not one, only work with opinions it seems. None, of them has done, nor accknowledged the evidence, when they cannot find an objection to the evidence. And, I do mean that the Mars Atomospheric Probe launch, was criticized by morse86, but as soon as his criticizm was shown to be wrong, he then went silent.

I don't know why ignoring what is before him, is done by him. What he is showing is a lack of caring. It has the technical Pyschological description of the silent form of verbal abuse, as it is an important topic to me and others, and he refuses to talk about it, when it doesn't go his way.

LOVE,

 

[ecco]

I'm very well aware of objects orbiting the earth, prove that they have people inside, without using NASA pics and vids.

My post had nothing to do with whether the ISS was populated or not. You can see for yourself that the ISS moves across the sky. Do you agree that it does?

Also, can you look at the night sky? If we are spinning, then orbiting the sun which is moving through our galaxy........... why do all, every single one of the constellations not change on millimeter? They do not budge, move oscillate, migrate, slide, shift or deform. Yet they are light years from each other and in different planes in relation to the earth. But, no change after centuries.

Some facts (you will probably disagree with them, but you asked) All numbers in miles.
Approximate (Rounded for ease of math) Diameter of earth's orbit around the sun : 100,000,000
Distance light travels in one year: (6 trillion) 6,000,000,000,000
Distance to star in Orions Belt : 1, 000 Light years or (6 quadrillion) 6,000,000,000,000,000 miles.
Approximate ratio of earth's diameter to Orion Belt star: 60,000,000 : 1

Experiment for you to try:
Go to a bowling alley. The lanes are 60 feet long
Have them set up the 1 and 10 pins. Stand at the foul line. Carefully look at the two pins, especially the apparent relationship of one to the other. Take a picture. Now, move to the left just .000001 of a foot. Take another picture. Compare the pictures. No difference.

The reason the stars apparently "... do not budge, move oscillate, migrate, slide, shift or deform." is that the diameter of the earth's rotation around the sun is tiny compared to the distance to the stars.

 

[morse86]

Let's do a simple simple thought exercise:

2 Facts:
- When a plane takes off, it must pitch up
- At cruising altitude, planes DO NOT adjust the pitch

At cruising altitude, the plane CANNOT be following the curvature/atomsphere because then why is it pitching up during the take off? If it has to adjust during take off, then it must adjust at cruising altitude...otherwise it would go beyond the atomsphere past the curvature. You cannot have it both ways!

The curvature is logarithmic..when descenting during landing, it must adjust for more than 12 miles in curvature....but the pilot never does that!

 

[ecco]

No.....Hey , I didn't say I was a flat earther, I'm saying that, if any time in history has had the ability to show the globe, it is now.

The idea of a spherical Earth appeared in Greek philosophy with Pythagoras (6th century BC)...
The mistaken notion that medieval Christians thought the Earth is flat has been referred to as themyth of the flat Earth, ... medieval Europeans, with rare exception, put little confidence in a flat Earth model.[6]​