Flat Earth: Why doesn't a Plane's altitude meter (gyroscope) pitch up and down if it's a round earth

[davedajobauk]

can you imagine an earthquake (after a thaw) releasing all that water ?

sheesh

 

[davedajobauk]

2) Signal interference? How about all of the satellite phones stop working after reaching a certain altitude? How do you explain that.

Directional antennae, focussed-at the receiving station, which then distributes at ground level (??)
Phones that suffer, from being outside of the 'beam'

 

[Unix]

IF the earth is round - do I ever actually benefit from that? It's not like I'm a globetrotter or anything - so why waste energy and bandwidth on defending the earth being round by letting people watch videos that are several gigabytes over the internet? - I will really never go to a distant place from where I live and then need to find a shortcut from there to go further. I capitalized the first word in this post because the earth may have any shape, I'm not going to see a horizon curved from the Earth being round because my perspective is local and I don't yet know how to use and make calculations with lenses, cameras, measuring etc. (at a later point in life I will take the highest Science and Math classes of our colleges over here - You have higher ones over there in the U.S. in college which we have in university), and taking things for less and less granted is a good thing for me. And I know NASA will always do anything just to get the whole population convinced about everything they do and thereby get the finances for whatever their imagination and dreams tell them to explore: I heartily wish that would stop, there's so little to gain from exploration of more distance places like March, not to speak of the counting of stars and physical theories and calculations on objects light-years away. I believe we can nowadays stick closer to the ground level doing experiments and inventing things instead of launching space shuttles, and at the same time save lots of money, for the same exact results, as actual technical inventions that can be used by a number of people are a thousand times more beneficial than space-travel-only -inventions.
If fewer people would believe the earth is round, more people would wake up and realize how vain it is to ever travel five thousand miles. I really, honestly, have an extremely hard time believing there is even one human being To-day who can fully motivate their trip across the World. Therefore I see the discussion as a contribution, people could calm down; postal mail (and it's not like it's any one person going thousands of miles with the parcels), internet (and phone in some cases when it's cheap), and God travel across the World, individual people don't have to, that's my point with this post.

 

[lasthero]

IF the earth is round

It is.

I capitalized the first word in this post because the earth may have any shape,

It's round.

I'm not going to see a horizon curved from the Earth being round because my perspective is local and I don't yet know how to use and make calculations with lenses, cameras, measuring etc.

You do that.

And I know NASA will always do anything just to get the whole population convinced about everything they do and thereby get the finances for whatever their imagination and dreams tell them to explore:

You know, it really can't be stressed enough that NASA isn't the only space program around. There are others, and they say the world is round, too.

Also, what does NASA gain by making everyone think the world is round when it's really flat? How does that benefit them?

I heartily wish that would stop, there's so little to gain from exploration of more distance places like March,

Yes, we should stay in February.

If fewer people would believe the earth is round, more people would wake up and realize how vain it is to ever travel five thousand miles.

Why would the Earth being flat make people want to explore space less?

I really, honestly, have an extremely hard time believing there is even one human being To-day who can fully motivate their trip across the World.

Well, you're wrong. It's been done.

Therefore I see the discussion as a contribution, people could calm down; postal mail (and it's not like it's any one person going thousands of miles with the parcels), internet (and phone in some cases when it's cheap), and God travel across the World,

If God is omnipresent, he doesn't really have to 'travel' anywhere.

individual people don't have to, that's my point with this post.

Your post is weird.

 

[Nithavela]

I bet the dinosaurs laughed about the birds too when they took flight.

 

[whois]

>>whois
Not wanting to sidetrack the OP ... with controversy theory
I would like you to consider the questions this video interjects

most of what this video says is true, however, i question the interpretation of this stuff.
the colors for example, the apollo astronauts reported orange and purple rocks and "soil".
i doubt if there are parallel lines in space, or that "alien structures" exist on the moon.
frankly, the video belongs in the conspiracy bin in my opinion.

 

[katerinah1947]

can you imagine an earthquake (after a thaw) releasing all that water ?

sheesh

Hi,

Yes. Yes I can. I live in Corvallis Oregon. And after twenty plus years here, I get to hear things about our soil, and the Columbia Gorge. They are related, the Gorge being formed by a realease of water from the east, though that path, gouging it out with chunks of Ice and rocks and soil.

Now, the soil in my area all the way down from Portland to Eugene Oregon is one vast deposit of the soil that once was east of the Gorge. Occasionally a large boulder is found, in this found in this field or that, I am told. Each of those boulders, has come from he east in that large rush of water, gouging out the Gorge.

The soil here by the way, is deep and very rich from all that suspended soil settling. At least that is what they tell us who live here.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Also don't forget the Lunar Module had to dock with the spacecraft in the moon orbit.....you know when the spacecraft would have been orbiting at ridiculous speeds. Nothing went wrong. Hahhaha, who believes this stuff?

The distance between earth and ISS is ~ 350-400 miles.
Time to reach ISS from earth 6 hours.

The distance between earth and moon ~ 240,000 miles.
Time to reach moon from earth ~ 3 days.

Think about that one.

Hi,

So, if a group of us could get the money together, would you go in a mig to see the round earth???

LOVE,

 

[davedajobauk]

Hi,

Yes. Yes I can. I live in Corvallis Oregon. And after twenty plus years here, I get to hear things about our soil, and the Columbia Gorge. They are related, the Gorge being formed by a realease of water from the east, though that path, gouging it out with chunks of Ice and rocks and soil.

Now, the soil in my area all the way down from Portland to Eugene Oregon is one vast deposit of the soil that once was east of the Gorge. Occasionally a large boulder is found, in this found in this field or that, I am told. Each of those boulders, has come from he east in that large rush of water, gouging out the Gorge.

The soil here by the way, is deep and very rich from all that suspended soil settling. At least that is what they tell us who live here.

LOVE,

This 'natural' process, is copied (deliberately) by man (and Beavers)
to create "water meadows" of the 'silt', washed down from the mountains, by rain and melting glaciers

The Nile Delta, shows us just what happens
when too much flood water, chooses a new-route, to the sea

Either relocate ~to be out of range or, look to be above the water, when it runs

 

[Nithavela]

Isn't the nile delta one of the most fertile places of the earth? So fertile that is was home to one of the longest civilisations in history?

 

[davedajobauk]

most of what this video says is true, however, i question the interpretation of this stuff.
the colors for example, the apollo astronauts reported orange and purple rocks and "soil".
i doubt if there are parallel lines in space, or that "alien structures" exist on the moon.
frankly, the video belongs in the conspiracy bin in my opinion.

I would not, be quite so-quick to-dismiss the soundtrack
I found the explanations and denials to be more plausible than say
my believing that a craft , travelling at @14 times FASTER than a bullet
could SLOW sufficiently to gain orbit around the Moon

AND your mention of "the apollo astronauts reported orange and purple rocks and "soil".
is your belief in hearsay.... ie: it is not repeatable / has not been repeatable _AFTER 50+ years ????

Do you seriously believe that 'billions of dollars' of tooling and manufacturing sources
were dismantled on an apparently 'working' rocket program
AND, that many tons of paper drawings and construction details [PLANS]
up, and went missing from secure premises along with all photos and videos...
WHILE being 'Top-Secret'

AND the astronauts faces, (in photos) visible through the helmets (visors UP)
were actually possible with the sun glaring down on the surface
and reflected light from the surface ~DID NOT blind them ? (white-out)

Trajectory changes, are not possible in the void of space (?)
Please note, I have not mentioned the 'question'
as to whether Apollo , could carry enough fuel
untestable / unrepeatable ???

 

[davedajobauk]

Isn't the nile delta one of the most fertile places of the earth? So fertile that is was home to one of the longest civilisations in history?

Oh yes, and history attests.... to cities, that have had to be moved due to flooding in that area
Man has always been, at the mercy of nature

 

[davedajobauk]

What research have you done? NONE.


Huh? The bible said the core of the earth is hot before scientists even found that out. It never used the word core. It said underneath......which implies a flat earth.

Not even a scientist can explain what gravity is. Math and theoritical psuedo science isn't an explanation.

Moon could be 2-d for all we care. No one has proved it is spherical.

All you have done is believe NASA and people in white lab coats.

I have a box underneath the stairs, but I would deny that it is flat
as would it's content ~could it speak
~Apart from it's being on a flat floor

 

[whois]

I would not, be quite so-quick to-dismiss the soundtrack
I found the explanations and denials to be more plausible than say
my believing that a craft , travelling at @14 times FASTER than a bullet
could SLOW sufficiently to gain orbit around the Moon

a large part of that change in velocity was by the long coast to the moon.
remember, we have about 200,000 miles with almost no thrust (except for course corrections).
it's quite likely we thrusted out of earth orbit with just enough velocity to reach the moon.
as a matter of fact, on apollo 11 and 12 that's exactly what happened.
if the SPS failed to light, then the craft would have simply looped around the moon and came back to earth.

AND your mention of "the apollo astronauts reported orange and purple rocks and "soil".
is your belief in hearsay.... ie: it is not repeatable / has not been repeatable _AFTER 50+ years ????

if that is what you want to believe, then that's okay

Do you seriously believe that 'billions of dollars' of tooling and manufacturing sources
were dismantled on an apparently 'working' rocket program
AND, that many tons of paper drawings and construction details [PLANS]
up, and went missing from secure premises along with all photos and videos...
WHILE being 'Top-Secret'

not exactly sure what you mean by this.
i have over 75 gigabytes of material from NASA on my hard drive, and this is mostly all text type of reports.

AND the astronauts faces, (in photos) visible through the helmets (visors UP)
were actually possible with the sun glaring down on the surface
and reflected light from the surface ~DID NOT blind them ? (white-out)

i haven't read anything that would indicate this would be a problem.

Trajectory changes, are not possible in the void of space (?)

the "void of space" is an almost text book example of the laws of physics.
how can you possibly deny that?

 

[katerinah1947]

This 'natural' process, is copied (deliberately) by man (and Beavers)
to create "water meadows" of the 'silt', washed down from the mountains, by rain and melting glaciers

The Nile Delta, shows us just what happens
when too much flood water, chooses a new-route, to the sea

Either relocate ~to be out of range or, look to be above the water, when it runs

Hi,

It has always disapointed me, the silting up of dams. I can no longer feel so after your words, showing me there are some benefits to that.

For me, I have thought of ways to keep the silt on one side of the dam from ever becoming a problem. But, conversely, it has always pleased me to see an old beaver dam that has silted over making a plateau of sorts on the hill side.

California, when I was there for awhile on a nine acre piece of land, near San Jose California when the land there was still visible, is said to have more than 50 feet of that soil. It goes by the name of infinite soil, not accurately but rather descriptively as some of it is 90 feet thick or more.

I wonder where that soil came from after your explanation. And, I think the whole interior from Redding to near Bakersfield has the same wonderful soil. I guess, it would be from the mountains like you mentioned, washing down.

Back on topic, with camera lens problems that can be seen in all motion pictures taken from the launch of the X-15, to that balloon to near space, it is a wonder that anyone is willing to base a flat earth concept on something that is not accurate. That being measurements taken from photos, without correcting for errors. Even buildings are seen to tilt, in some photos if the angle is not taken into consideration on sites talking about photography, the use of pictures to entertain and to get information from.

The solution for all people is really an experiment. For flat earhter's it would be for them to find one of their people who everyone could believe, and then let them go in a MIG, or a Weather Baloon, and then report those results to everyone.

Also each person of that group can send a man to Cape Kennedy, or to California to watch. They can then see for themselves if rocketry works. That way they can end their speculations and theories with a single or a few experiments.

LOVE,

 

[mmksparbud]

Huh? The bible said the core of the earth is hot before scientists even found that out. It never used the word core. It said underneath......which implies a flat earth.

If you are going to say the bible is stating something---then please state the book and verse!! Otherwise--it just makes it look like you're making this stuff up! And what on earth makes you think that underneath implies anything else than "under something"---such as under the earth's crust??? It certainly is not implying a flat earth---you are.

 

[katerinah1947]

a large part of that change in velocity was by the long coast to the moon.
remember, we have about 200,000 miles with almost no thrust (except for course corrections).
it's quite likely we thrusted out of earth orbit with just enough velocity to reach the moon.
as a matter of fact, on apollo 11 and 12 that's exactly what happened.
if the SPS failed to light, then the craft would have simply looped around the moon and came back to earth.

if that is what you want to believe, then that's okay

not exactly sure what you mean by this.
i have over 75 gigabytes of material from NASA on my hard drive, and this is mostly all text type of reports.

i haven't read anything that would indicate this would be a problem.

the "void of space" is an almost text book example of the laws of physics.
how can you possibly deny that?

Hi,

It is so that at some point the moon accelerates any object near it, thus it goes faster.

I thought you might find this interesting. It is the weight/mass of the expelled gasses, time the velocity of those expelled gasses that produces the force for all propulsion of things like rockets.

That is from baloons to hypergolic fueled moon landers. Hypergolic fuel, and incredibly weird name for oxygen and hydrogen that are combined with Nitrogen, burns instantly on contact with each other. That is used in rockets to ask others silently and politely not to bomb us, with their rockets as it is always there ready to go, in less than a minute from the need to actually lauching a MIRV set on a Titan II, and later missles.

NH4 and NO4, Hydrazine and the oxygen one I no longer remember the name for it, were used in the Lunar mission, precisely because they don't need an ignition source. Just mix and go.

However thrust, I thought you would find interesting that it is actually found when measured to be a product of the expelled gas velocities and the mass of those expelled gasses, rather than pressure.

A rocket is a momentum device, in other words, it is not a pressure device.

LOVE,

 

[KWCrazy]

Hi,
The altimeter in an airplane is a pressure device:...

Excellent explanation, but it didn't answer the question. The altimeter measures but does not control the altitude of an aircraft. The aircraft has weight, which is the result of a gravitational attraction. The design of an aircraft wing increases the speed of the air over the wing. According to Bernoulli's Principle when speed increases pressure decreases. The decreased pressure over the wing creates lift, which enables the aircraft to fly. As air density decreases with increased altitude, lift is decreased until the aircraft can climb no more. That is its ceiling. Keeping the air speed over the wing constant will keep the aircraft at a constant altitude as it follows the curvature of the earth.

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Since the issue here seems to be using photos with their inherent distortions, to see artifacts which are not really there, supporting suspicions of a flat earth, I just realized that when I was using electron micorscopes at work, they to, probably have to be calibrated in some way to get horizontal distances without any distortions do to angles.

Ion Implanters also scan in the horizontal and vertical directions ions (charged atoms), yet I don't remember anyone every complaining about the results being non uniform. It has been too long to remember if the problem is there or not to a degree large enough to cause a problem with uniformity, significant enough for it to be changed to a more accurate way of doing that.

It seems there is a huge number of photo errors, of all sorts. I hope those thinking the earth is flat and caring enough, do the experiments to prove their point one way or another as it sure seems they could then either teach all of us, or use their talents in other unfinished areas.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Excellent explanation, but it didn't answer the question. The altimeter measures but does not control the altitude of an aircraft. The aircraft has weight, which is the result of a gravitational attraction. The design of an aircraft wing increases the speed of the air over the wing. According to Bernoulli's Principle when speed increases pressure decreases. The decreased pressure over the wing creates lift, which enables the aircraft to fly. As air density decreases with increased altitude, lift is decreased until the aircraft can climb no more. That is its ceiling. Keeping the air speed over the wing constant will keep the aircraft at a constant altitude as it follows the curvature of the earth.

Hi,

Yes.

And when I was flying, I was told above a certain altitude, to set the barometric pressure adjustment on my plane to a fixed number rather than the local barometric pressure reading.

Since altitude is normally a pressure reading, when airliners are flying high and fast, they still need to maintain a separation between planes going in opposite directions. But with constantly moving from one area to another local pressure readings are always changing, so they set their pressure settings to 29.92 inches of mercury, so that everyone flying will have the same errors in their actual altitude, but no errors in their relative separation spaces.

But, yes to all you said. In fact as a pilot and one who can train anyone to be a pilot, even if afraid, and even in a way that they do not know they are being turned into one, by merely asking them to help me out from time to time, Power determines altitude, and tilt determines the horizontal speed of any aircraft including the space shuttle.

The space shuttle's horizontal speed is zero, if is pointed straight up. There altitude is clearly seen as power applied over time. It takes me awhile to get that to be a instinctive response by all new pilots, even on simulators.

So, with a given power, the altitude in a given density of air, is always the same.

LOVE,